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Mountain Bikers' Illegal Riding in New Zealand
Surprize, surprize!
Mike http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-stan...-track-upgrade Mountain bikers hamper walking track upgrade By MERVYN DYKES - Manawatu Standard Last updated 12:24 31/03/2009 Share Print Text Size Relevant offers Mountain bikers have got the goat of the Department of Conservation (DOC) which is trying to upgrade the Manawatu Gorge walking track. "We are trying to make the track more appealing for city people, so it is easier for them to get a taste of the bush," said DOC ranger Lyall Goggin. "But a few mountain bikers have done a considerable amount of damage, so that we have to spend a lot of time repairing parts of the track we have already upgraded." In some areas skidding mountain bikes have stripped freshly laid gravel off the track and exposed the geo-textile layer underneath. "I could see tyre tracks and patches of bare cloth as I walked up the track," Mr Goggin said. Mountain bikes are banned from the track, which is a major attraction for walkers, attracting about 1200 a month. Besides causing extensive damage to the track, they posed a significant risk to other track users, he said. DOC has yet to lay metal on four-and-a-half of the 10 kilometres of track, with a June deadline, but the damage has slowed the work. In total, 460 cubic metres of metal will be carted and spread along the track before spring in a bid to upgrade it to a more accessible, user-friendly "walking" standard. It takes a day to fly in 70 cubic metres, which is then carted along the track in a power barrow and wheelbarrows, spread and compacted. The geo-textile mat laid underneath the metal is intended to allow water to pass, but prevent the metal from sinking into the dirt. DOC area manager Jason Roxburgh said mountain bikers should use areas set aside for their sport instead of hitting the gorge track. "Takapari Road on the western side of the Ruahine Ranges takes you up to the tussock tops, and Palmerston North City Council maintain excellent biking tracks up the Kahutarawa Valley." -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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On Mar 30, 10:57*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
Surprize, surprize! So why aren't you hopping on the next polluting commercial flight to fight the problem? Oh, that's right, you are an armchair environmentalists who only posts about problems, you don't actually try and solve them. |
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This story is all backwards. Let the path be natural without any man
made cloth etc. on it. If the people want to see nature why are you trying to prepare an unnatural carpet. Bicycling is a much better way to see the country side. Instead of spending so much money on unnatural paths, use the money to maintain natural trails and create small wooden bridges and ditches to keep the trails from washing out. We have lots of well managed walking trials in our area that never see interference from expensive man made products. Cyclists and pedestrians use them all the time with no problems. Mike Vandeman wrote: Surprize, surprize! Mike http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-stan...-track-upgrade Mountain bikers hamper walking track upgrade By MERVYN DYKES - Manawatu Standard Last updated 12:24 31/03/2009 Share Print Text Size Relevant offers Mountain bikers have got the goat of the Department of Conservation (DOC) which is trying to upgrade the Manawatu Gorge walking track. "We are trying to make the track more appealing for city people, so it is easier for them to get a taste of the bush," said DOC ranger Lyall Goggin. "But a few mountain bikers have done a considerable amount of damage, so that we have to spend a lot of time repairing parts of the track we have already upgraded." In some areas skidding mountain bikes have stripped freshly laid gravel off the track and exposed the geo-textile layer underneath. "I could see tyre tracks and patches of bare cloth as I walked up the track," Mr Goggin said. Mountain bikes are banned from the track, which is a major attraction for walkers, attracting about 1200 a month. Besides causing extensive damage to the track, they posed a significant risk to other track users, he said. DOC has yet to lay metal on four-and-a-half of the 10 kilometres of track, with a June deadline, but the damage has slowed the work. In total, 460 cubic metres of metal will be carted and spread along the track before spring in a bid to upgrade it to a more accessible, user-friendly "walking" standard. It takes a day to fly in 70 cubic metres, which is then carted along the track in a power barrow and wheelbarrows, spread and compacted. The geo-textile mat laid underneath the metal is intended to allow water to pass, but prevent the metal from sinking into the dirt. DOC area manager Jason Roxburgh said mountain bikers should use areas set aside for their sport instead of hitting the gorge track. "Takapari Road on the western side of the Ruahine Ranges takes you up to the tussock tops, and Palmerston North City Council maintain excellent biking tracks up the Kahutarawa Valley." -- A website is a place, where, when you go there, it does everything possible to distract you, from finding the information you came there to see.- E.W. |
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On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:53:12 -0400, Erness Wild
wrote: This story is all backwards. Let the path be natural without any man made cloth etc. on it. If the people want to see nature why are you trying to prepare an unnatural carpet. Bicycling is a much better way to see the country side. Instead of spending so much money on unnatural paths, use the money to maintain natural trails and create small wooden bridges and ditches to keep the trails from washing out. Don't miss the point. I'm not advocating unnatural human artifacts in the wilderness. YOU are. What do you think bicycles are? We have lots of well managed walking trials in our area that never see interference from expensive man made products. Except mountain bikes. You conveniently forgot about that. Cyclists and pedestrians use them all the time with no problems. Other than dead or damaged animals and plants? Other than hikers driven off the trails because it's too unpleasant and dangerous to hike around bicycles? Mountain bikers sure have a hard time telling the truth.... Mike Vandeman wrote: Surprize, surprize! Mike http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-stan...-track-upgrade Mountain bikers hamper walking track upgrade By MERVYN DYKES - Manawatu Standard Last updated 12:24 31/03/2009 Share Print Text Size Relevant offers Mountain bikers have got the goat of the Department of Conservation (DOC) which is trying to upgrade the Manawatu Gorge walking track. "We are trying to make the track more appealing for city people, so it is easier for them to get a taste of the bush," said DOC ranger Lyall Goggin. "But a few mountain bikers have done a considerable amount of damage, so that we have to spend a lot of time repairing parts of the track we have already upgraded." In some areas skidding mountain bikes have stripped freshly laid gravel off the track and exposed the geo-textile layer underneath. "I could see tyre tracks and patches of bare cloth as I walked up the track," Mr Goggin said. Mountain bikes are banned from the track, which is a major attraction for walkers, attracting about 1200 a month. Besides causing extensive damage to the track, they posed a significant risk to other track users, he said. DOC has yet to lay metal on four-and-a-half of the 10 kilometres of track, with a June deadline, but the damage has slowed the work. In total, 460 cubic metres of metal will be carted and spread along the track before spring in a bid to upgrade it to a more accessible, user-friendly "walking" standard. It takes a day to fly in 70 cubic metres, which is then carted along the track in a power barrow and wheelbarrows, spread and compacted. The geo-textile mat laid underneath the metal is intended to allow water to pass, but prevent the metal from sinking into the dirt. DOC area manager Jason Roxburgh said mountain bikers should use areas set aside for their sport instead of hitting the gorge track. "Takapari Road on the western side of the Ruahine Ranges takes you up to the tussock tops, and Palmerston North City Council maintain excellent biking tracks up the Kahutarawa Valley." -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:04:57 +1200, mike
wrote: In article , says... This story is all backwards. Let the path be natural without any man made cloth etc. on it. If the people want to see nature why are you trying to prepare an unnatural carpet. Bicycling is a much better way to see the country side. Instead of spending so much money on unnatural paths, use the money to maintain natural trails and create small wooden bridges and ditches to keep the trails from washing out. We have lots of well managed walking trials in our area that never see interference from expensive man made products. Cyclists and pedestrians use them all the time with no problems. Let me assure you that I do not support "Mad Mike" in any way, shape, or form - and that I am a keen mountain-biker. However, your comments don't add anything to the issue. New Zealand is a steep and mountainous country with high rainfall, often volcanic soils, and a propensity for erosion. Low and moderate use tracks typically are 'natural' but in high-use areas significant erosion control is a necessity. Without fabric/polymer/metal carpet underlay, in many areas heavy foot or cycle usage would induce rapid erosion That won't stop erosion. And it has no place in a natural area. - this leads either to the track turning into a deep and wide ditch or quagmire when the land is flat or gently rolling, or into an artificial slip and scree slope when it is steep. That should effectively reduce the number of visitors, and therefore the impacts on the willdife! The resulting damage impacts on wildlife, access and scenery. Then STAY OFF! The particular track in question is in a steep-sided gorge, was designed for high-density foot-traffic and, as the article stated, is being damaged by careless mountain-bike use. Here in NZ we have hundreds of km of purpose-built MTB tracks of all grades, and many thousands of km of single track, hiking tracks, 4-wheel drive tracks, farm tracks, shingle roads etc, spread throughout the country, almost all open to MTB use. There is little need for anybody, anywhere in the country, to stray onto pedestrian routes - it is about as sensible as driving a car along a foot-path. Cheers -- Mike F (not the mad one) -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Ha. You'd have to put "shoes" in there with "bicycles" then. Animals
create paths all the time. The idea is not to keep using the same path forever. Use a path for a while then start a new one and let the old one grow back in. Why do you have to control nature? See enough of that in the city. Mike Vandeman wrote: Don't miss the point. I'm not advocating unnatural human artifacts in the wilderness. YOU are. What do you think bicycles are? -- A website is a place, where, when you go there, it does everything possible to distract you, from finding the information you came there to see.- E.W. |
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On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:05:30 -0400, Erness Wild
wrote: Ha. You'd have to put "shoes" in there with "bicycles" then. Animals create paths all the time. The idea is not to keep using the same path forever. Use a path for a while then start a new one and let the old one grow back in. Why do you have to control nature? See enough of that in the city. What Is Homo Sapiens' Place in Nature, From an Objective (Biocentric) Point of View? Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D. July 4, 2002 "For hundreds of millenia, evolving humanity was a native species … in Africa and Asia. … The modern Races of Homo sapiens were a true alien species when they colonized the rest of the world, from Australia to the New World and finally the distant oceanic islands." E.O. Wilson, p.98. "The behaviours animals use to avoid predators are both genetically based and learned. The genetic component is acquired through natural selection and so can only slowly be developed. This may account in part for the fact that most of the world's surviving large mammals live in Africa, for it was there that humanity evolved, and it was only there that animals had the time to acquire the genetically based behaviours that allowed them to cope with the new predator." Tim Flannery, p.198. "... his dominance and his faculties for upsetting so much of the rest of life serve to rule him out of what we think of as 'natural' relationships of living things". Paul Errington, p.41. "To really come up with something new that's going to allow a species to live in a completely new environment takes a million years." Camille Parmesan Many answers have been given to this question, but none, to my knowledge, based on science. Even scientists, apparently, often avoid applying their knowledge when it may be inconvenient (e.g., interfere with our preferred lifestyle). For example, open any biology textbook and find where it defines "exotic species". Do you see any mention of the fact that humans are, throughout most of our range, an exotic species -- or even a discussion of whether we are an exotic species? If biology is so valuable (which I think it is), why do we shy away from using it? Another example: it is often claimed that humans are a natural part of our environment -- we are just an animal like any other animal. If that is true, then why aren't humans mentioned in the vast majority of natural histories? The fact is, we consider ourselves a part of our ecosystems when it's convenient (e.g. when we want to justify recreation in wildlife habitat), and not, when it's not convenient (e.g. when choosing where to live: in a house!). When you die, will you re-enter the ecosystem just like any other dead organism? No! We are either cremated, or buried in a box, specifically to avoid the natural process of decay. It is obvious that we are a part of nature, or we couldn't touch and interact with it. The real question is Which part of nature are we? Biology texts usually define an "exotic species" as one transported by humans to a new location, where it hadn't existed before. However, this is not a good definition, since the effect of the exotic species on its new surroundings has nothing to do with how it got there, but more to do with the fact that it is a newcomer. However, every species was new at some time in the past. So the question is, How long does it take to become a native species? I would like to suggest that a length of time that makes sense, biologically, is the time that it takes for the other species in the ecosystem to evolve (i.e., make persistent -- "beneficial" -- genetic changes) to adapt to the newcomer -- say on the order of a million years. This would make humans (Homo sapiens) native only to (part of) Africa, and everywhere else, a relative newcomer -- an exotic species. (This is not a value judgment, but simply a statement of biological fact.) Does this mean that we should all move back to Africa? I don't think so -- it wouldn't help! Even in Africa, our behavior changes so rapidly, on an evolutionary scale, that the only things that can evolve fast enough to keep up with us are bacteria and viruses! So even in Africa, we might as well consider ourselves an exotic species. But what I do think it means is that we should act with restraint -- with the manners of a guest! What does this mean in practice? I think it means, first of all, to "listen" to other species, and what they are trying to tell us! For example, what is the first thing that every child learns about wildlife? That they don't want us around: that they run away whenever we try to approach them! And then, of course, because we are the curious animals that we are, we proceed to ignore their wishes. Jane Goodall, Dian Fossey, and Birute Galdikas all had the same experience when they began trying to study apes in the wild: the apes didn't want them around! They "told" the researchers that clearly and unequivocally. Jane couldn't get close to the chimpanzees until she started bribing them with bananas. The gorillas charged Dian and tried to scare her away. And the orangutans pushed over trees toward Birute, apparently trying to kill or intimidate her. The apes desperately need us to deliver their message to the rest of humanity. Although the message is impossible to miss, most humans ignore it. Rather than arguing over to what degree the apes resemble or differ from humans, the most important message that we can derive from studying them is that they want to be left alone! This is perhaps a bitter pill, but one that humanity urgently needs to take. With our population increasing rapidly, it is more important than ever to give wildlife what they want, which is also, therefore, what they need: freedom from the pressure, irritation, infection with diseases, and outright danger of the presence of humans. It is utterly inexcusable that we continue extending our hegemony into every square inch of the Earth -- and soon, other defenseless planets as well. This is a tall order? Very well, then it is a tall order. But I do not see why we shouldn't aim for what is needed, instead of pretending that less is adequate. References: Ehrlich, Paul R. and Ehrlich, Anne H., Extinction: The Causes and Consequences of the Disappearances of Species. New York: Random House, 1981. Errington, Paul L., A Question of Values. Ames, Iowa: Iowa State University Press, 1987. Flannery, Tim, The Eternal Frontier -- An Ecological History of North America and Its Peoples. New York: Grove Press, 2001. Foreman, Dave, Confessions of an Eco-Warrior. New York: Harmony Books, 1991. Knight, Richard L. and Kevin J. Gutzwiller, eds. Wildlife and Recreationists. Covelo, California: Island Press, 1995. Noss, Reed F. and Allen Y. Cooperrider, Saving Nature's Legacy: Protecting and Restoring Biodiversity. Island Press, Covelo, California, 1994. Stone, Christopher D., Should Trees Have Standing? Toward Legal Rights for Natural Objects. Los Altos, California: William Kaufmann, Inc., 1973. Vandeman, Michael J., http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande, especially http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/ecoc...mjvande/india3, http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/sc8, and http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/goodall. Ward, Peter Douglas, The End of Evolution: On Mass Extinctions and the Preservation of Biodiversity. New York: Bantam Books, 1994. "The Wildlands Project", Wild Earth. Richmond, Vermont: The Cenozoic Society, 1994. Wilson, Edward O., The Future of Life. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2002. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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On Apr 8, 11:25*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:05:30 -0400, Erness Wild Michael J. Vandeman, please stop flying overseas, you do more damage to the environment than a person who owns a car. Stop being so selfish and think of nature for a change. |
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