BBC - Cyclist Chased & Hit by Police car

MartinM wrote:
vernon wrote:
"Adrian Boliston" wrote in message
...
Just been watching this bizarre clip on the BBC site where a cyclist
appears
to be knocked off, starts running, then gets run over!

I think that there's more to the story than has been reported.

do tell

I could but then I'd have to kill you :-)

Not all police are gits

Not all 'victims' are innocent.

The tale triggers the 'cover up' alarms that have been sensitised by
the court cases that a close relative of mine has found himself in. In
some instances he's been found not guilty and been able to make claims
against the police because of their 'robust' behaviour as the police
have been unable to present evidence in a non self-incriminating way
but such was their ambitions to 'do him' they took the cases to court
anyway. In other instances the police evidence has been watered down
heavily leading to minimal fines for v.serious offences.

I just have v.strong suspicions that the full story has not been told
and that the 'victim' was not in the wrong place at the wrong time and
had no idea of the I.D. of the two plain clothed officers. The 15 year
olds that I teach have very sensitive plod detection sensors.
Non-plods telling them to do something would be treated to a torrent of
abuse, real plods are fled from.

I don't even think that it's a race issue. Teenagers, the lad was 15 at
the time, have the capacity to be felons irrespective of race, age or
gender. I know 'em, I teach 'em! Situations can be manipulated to mask
the shortcomings of the victim. I often wonder what wondrous tales are
told in court to secure the release of the accused to plague my classes
:-)

in message .com, David
Martin ') wrote:


Adrian Boliston wrote:
Just been watching this bizarre clip on the BBC site where a cyclist
appears to be knocked off, starts running, then gets run over!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/u...toryid=4254616

This was the case of a suspect in a drugs operation who was chased by
two plainclothes policemen in an unmarked car.

The driver plead guilty to careless driving and was convicted.

And frankly, he should not have been charged with that. There was nothing
'careless' about the assault: it was clearly deliberate and with
murderous intent. That the victim survived is remarkable.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; may contain traces of nuts, bolts or washers.

Nick Kew wrote:

Our powers-that-be can be nasty even to middle-class whites, if they
think you're a bit foreign. It's happened to non-english (though
100% white) members of my family. It happened to me when I entered
England on a ferry from France driving an Italian-registered car.

But at least when the police do Bad Things (which I don't think is
all that common), they're pretty open about it. Not like the horror
of bureaucracy, let alone the sheer robbery of an institutionally
corrupt legal system.

Oops, I always assumed from your name that YOU were a policeman.
--
Morton

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:10:58 +0100,
The police are a bunch of ****ing *******s, except I'm probably never
going to have the misfortune of having this brought home to me
personally, because I'm not white, middle-class, educated and
articulate, not a black teenager (or an electrician).

Daniele

I think that's a bit strong.
If you've had no contact with them how do you conclude that they are
"****ing *******s" ?

"Simon Brooke" wrote in message
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in message .com, David
Martin ') wrote:


Adrian Boliston wrote:
Just been watching this bizarre clip on the BBC site where a cyclist
appears to be knocked off, starts running, then gets run over!



http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/u...toryid=4254616

This was the case of a suspect in a drugs operation who was chased by
two plainclothes policemen in an unmarked car.

The driver plead guilty to careless driving and was convicted.

And frankly, he should not have been charged with that. There was nothing
'careless' about the assault: it was clearly deliberate and with
murderous intent. That the victim survived is remarkable.

Irrespective of whether or not the lad was suspected of or actually guilty
of a serious criminal act had the police been armed it wasn't a situation
(we hope) that would have warranted the firing of a weapon but the car was
used in such a manner to be as deadly as a firearm.
--
Pete

in message . com,
') wrote:


MartinM wrote:
vernon wrote:
"Adrian Boliston" wrote in message
...
Just been watching this bizarre clip on the BBC site where a
cyclist
appears
to be knocked off, starts running, then gets run over!

I think that there's more to the story than has been reported.

do tell

I could but then I'd have to kill you :-)

Not all police are gits

Absolutely true. It's quite probable that the police driver in this case
was not, in every day life, a git or a thug. However, just because he
did what he did in an adrenaline charged moment does not excuse it: it
was clearly a deliberate assault with a deadly weapon, and if we are to
have any confidence at all in the police they must be held to at least
the same standards of lawful behaviour as anyone else.

Not all 'victims' are innocent.

No. But in this case not even the police allege that the victim was
guilty of anything except being black. He was a (probably mouthy) young
black male in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I don't even think that it's a race issue. Teenagers, the lad was 15 at
the time, have the capacity to be felons irrespective of race, age or
gender. I know 'em, I teach 'em! Situations can be manipulated to mask
the shortcomings of the victim. I often wonder what wondrous tales are
told in court to secure the release of the accused to plague my classes
:-)

Indeed. The lad clearly had attitude. But - I say again - if the police
could have pinned anything at all on him, they would have. They didn't,
so one has to assume they couldn't. And, sadly, I am not convinced that
the average urban plod is colourblind.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Due to financial constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel
has been switched off.

The driver plead guilty to careless driving and was convicted.

Guess who brings the charges? Er, the police...

Rather convenient that by only charging the driver with careless driving, to
which he can quickly plead guilty and risk only a fine and a few points at
most, that the helicopter footage is kept under wraps thereby saving the
police force as a whole a lot of embarassment....

I wonder what the charge would have been had the drivers been black, and the
cyclist PC Plod on his beat?

Ric wrote:
The driver plead guilty to careless driving and was convicted.

Guess who brings the charges? Er, the police...


ITYM the Crown Prosecution Service.


--
Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon

Nick Kew wrote:
Our powers-that-be can be nasty even to middle-class whites, if they
think you're a bit foreign. It's happened to non-english (though
100% white) members of my family. It happened to me when I entered
England on a ferry from France driving an Italian-registered car.

But at least when the police do Bad Things (which I don't think is
all that common), they're pretty open about it.

Sometimes....

Peter B wrote:
This was the case of a suspect in a drugs operation who was chased by
two plainclothes policemen in an unmarked car.
Why wre they not on bikes as well? (Another thread...)

The driver plead guilty to careless driving and was convicted.

And frankly, he should not have been charged with that. There was nothing
'careless' about the assault: it was clearly deliberate and with
murderous intent. That the victim survived is remarkable.


Irrespective of whether or not the lad was suspected of or actually guilty
of a serious criminal act had the police been armed it wasn't a situation
(we hope) that would have warranted the firing of a weapon but the car was
used in such a manner to be as deadly as a firearm.

Not unusual, a number of motorcyclist have been killed or injured down
the years by coppers using vehicles as weapons.