Jurors are smarter than Apes - Guilty on all counts

--D-y wrote:

On Nov 2, 9:50*pm, "Paul B. Anders" wrote:
On Nov 2, 6:24*pm, "Paul B. Anders" wrote:

On Nov 2, 4:51*pm, DirtRoadie wrote:

http://www.velonews.com/article/99800

Oh, and I'd have loved to have seen his smug-ass face when the verdict
was read.

Brad Anders

You know, I want to amend that statement. There's nothing to be
satisfied about here. Two cyclists were injured, one with disfiguring
injuries, and skilled ER doctor, who probably fixed up a hundred
cyclists who crashed during his career, is looking at prison and has
had his career put it tatters by this incident. Nobody is coming out
ahead here. This isn't a victory, it's a tragedy.

Reality check.

Just proof that someone can be a doctor AND a sociopath.
Docs are a dime a dozen. They're no better than anyone else and quite
a number of them are idiots.

So, one sociopath has been taken off the road, for however long that
lasts. And has multiple well-deserved felony convictions that aren't
likely to all (at least) go away on appeal. Society won, big-time. Not
just the faggots in lycra but everyone else who has had to share the
planet with that piece of ****. Especially his patients.

Reality check. Sounds to me like none of the posters in this thread
have ever had to deal with a sociopath-- who have, chief among other
endearing traits, the drive to totally control other human beings.
Their numbers are estimated to be 1 in 24 of the general population.
Many times they are given a "pass" because people are ignorant of what
they're dealing with, and/or they have "important jobs" that "require
being strict and serious".

Sound like any doctors you've dealt with? Cops? Lawyers?

"After committing a felony around age 15, where most often they escape
full legal retribution due to youth, they learn to find situations
(very much incl. "jobs") where their work is admired and rewarded".

Put the SOB in the hole so he can't **** with anyone while he's in
there and see if he doesn't mellow out a little before he's allowed to
suck free air again. Stop making excuses-- "he probably fixed up
hundreds of cyclists". Jesus Christ!
--D-y

I'm not sure what he did makes him a sociopath.

Since he did it previously on more than one occasion and nothing happened to
the cyclists (proving that there was more than enough time for a cyclist with
both hands on the handlebar to react), he probably thought that if he braked
again that the same outcome would result (i.e. the cyclists having to brake
hard and get annoyed). Do you really think the guy said, "I hope one of them
goes through the windshield of my $35,000 car and the police end up being
called and my insurance rates get jacked up."

There is no evidence that from age 0-60, that Dr. Thompson engaged in
sociopathic behavior or that he expected this outcome. This incident was
really just him being ****ed off at the arrogant jackasses who ride that
road. There is no evidence that he went out driving the training roads of
southern California looking for innocent cyclists to run over.

So save the psycho babble for another time. Just because there's serious
injury, doesn't mean the causation was done by a sociopathic agenda. The
serious injury had to be both predictable and likely in order for that term
to apply, and there is no reason to believe that the doctor thought it would
go down like that. In fact, I believe he thought it would go down quite
differently (i.e. without serious injury). And most of those cyclists are
arrogant jackasses who probably all contributed to the Fraud Fairness Fund
and punch each other in races like the punks they are.

He's still a dick, but the cyclists are also dicks for ****ing off all the
residents on that road with their jackass behavior. I bet you they all think
twice before flipping off drivers on that road.

Thanks,

Magilla

On Nov 3, 6:09*am, Susan Walker wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:08 pm, Susan Walker wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
Brad Anders
I'll look you up for that virtual beer next time I'm taking a virtual
tour to...where do you live again?
Stuttgart.

Hmmm...do they have good beer there?

I think they might. However, I'm not quite sure PBA the Porsche engineer
is our PBA.

He's a Porsche owner, does that count?

Only ex-Porsche engineer I know who posts here is Jobst.

Brad Anders

"coterock" wrote in message
...

You know, I want to amend that statement. There's nothing to be
satisfied about here. Two cyclists were injured, one with disfiguring
injuries, and skilled ER doctor, who probably fixed up a hundred
cyclists who crashed during his career, is looking at prison and has
had his career put it tatters by this incident. Nobody is coming out
ahead here. This isn't a victory, it's a tragedy.

Very true Brad. Three points; He was a motorist at the time of the
incident. His being a Doctor should not matter. While there was no
winner in that case, cyclists in general benefitted that justice was
served. Read precident. Lastly, I would expect a civil suit to follow.
It was his pit-bull lawyer and his smug attitude that convicted him.

I'd like to think that it was the evidence that convicted him.

On Nov 3, 6:58*am, --D-y wrote:
Stop making excuses-- "he probably fixed up
hundreds of cyclists". Jesus Christ!

I'm not excusing the doc in any way, just pointing out that as an ER
doc he did a tremendous amount of good for his community - and he
crapped that all away because of his intolerance for others. I don't
agree with labeling him as a sociopath. It's worse. He's just a
regular guy, who got ticked off and decided to meter out his own form
of justice. He's not some freak, he's everyone's neighbor. I hear from
people all the time, people who KNOW I'm a cyclist, tell me how they
can't stand having to deal with cyclists and how much they hate them.
They're not that different from the doc, they just haven't acted on
their desires.

When I encounter people who go off about cyclists, I try to be as
level-headed as possible when I reply to them and tell them that if
they have a problem with cyclists in their area, they need to engage
the police to handle it. If they don't like the fact that cyclists are
legally entitled to use the road, then it's their right to try and get
the laws changed, but it's not their right to impose their will on
cyclists. Does it work? I'd be happy if I even got them to think about
their attitude..

I suspect everyone here who rides regularly has had their encounters
with cars, and personally, I've yelled "FU" at more than one driver.
I've never seen it do any good, and it's stupid behavior. Behaving
like a belligerant prick isn't going to make our situation any better.
As for the doc, I hope his conviction and sentencing is widely
communicated to the driving public, and sticks in the minds of those
who think cyclists are open season on the roads.

Brad Anders

On Nov 3, 8:49*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:


I'm not sure what he did makes him a sociopath.

Since he did it previously on more than one occasion and nothing happened to
the cyclists (proving that there was more than enough time for a cyclist with
both hands on the handlebar to react), he probably thought that if he braked
again that the same outcome would result (i.e. the cyclists having to brake
hard and get annoyed). *Do you really think the guy said, "I hope one of them
goes through the windshield of my $35,000 car and the police end up being
called and my insurance rates get jacked up."

I'll give you the point that we don't know enough to "convict" him of
being a sociopath.
"More than one" of these incidents might prove that he finally went
over the edge when the cyclists "didn't get the message" (as you refer
to below).

There is no evidence that from age 0-60, that Dr. Thompson engaged in
sociopathic behavior or that he expected this outcome. This incident was
really just him being ****ed off at the arrogant jackasses who ride that
road. *There is no evidence that he went out driving the training roads of
southern California looking for innocent cyclists to run over.

Didn't "run over". Too overt. I'll give you "no evidence" but that
door swings both ways.

So save the psycho babble for another time.

Not babble, Mr. Baboon. Loose quotes from accredited sources and if I
find the link, I will supply.
Associated with DSM material; you've made me think you've never had to
deal with one of the Unclean, either.
Well, good for you!

*Just because there's serious
injury, doesn't mean the causation was done by a sociopathic agenda. *The
serious injury had to be both predictable and likely in order for that term
to apply

Give you the point again, while asking the question: "How many times
could the good doc be expected to pull up short (or participate in
other reckless behavior) in front of a rider or riders, especially on
that road, before something bad happened?"

and there is no reason to believe that the doctor thought it would
go down like that. *In fact, I believe he thought it would go down quite
differently (i.e. without serious injury). *And most of those cyclists are
arrogant jackasses who probably all contributed to the Fraud Fairness Fund
and punch each other in races like the punks they are.

He's still a dick, but the cyclists are also dicks for ****ing off all the
residents on that road with their jackass behavior. *I bet you they all think
twice before flipping off drivers on that road.

Let's see, flipping off compared to having violent threat behavior
directed at you (with deadly weapon employed).

I share your opprobrium of dickhead cyclists. I really really do. No
excuse ("Mommy mommy!! He honked at me!!! baby ****s) for rude
behavior and damned little good return can be expected, too. Which
means, "then they go for me when I, a polite (most of the time) and
considerate rider, am out there minding my own business and just
trying to get along".

Maybe we'll find out more as this progresses. And yeah, if the
cyclists are supposed to "learn something" I hope motorists do, too.

Austin just passed (ha ha) a three-foot passing law. I expect more
consideration *and* retribution. Such is life in the human cage.
--D-y

Tom Kunich wrote:

"coterock" wrote in message
...

You know, I want to amend that statement. There's nothing to be
satisfied about here. Two cyclists were injured, one with disfiguring
injuries, and skilled ER doctor, who probably fixed up a hundred
cyclists who crashed during his career, is looking at prison and has
had his career put it tatters by this incident. Nobody is coming out
ahead here. This isn't a victory, it's a tragedy.

Very true Brad. Three points; He was a motorist at the time of the
incident. His being a Doctor should not matter. While there was no
winner in that case, cyclists in general benefitted that justice was
served. Read precident. Lastly, I would expect a civil suit to follow.
It was his pit-bull lawyer and his smug attitude that convicted him.

I'd like to think that it was the evidence that convicted him.

If you think jury verdicts mean anything other than what they obviously
mean, then you also must think that OJ and Robert Blake are innocent. Dr.
Thompson got the same jury pool that decided those two cases. That's a
fact.

Take care,

Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Ariana Huffington would never sleep with you.

For someone who beats on Liz Hatch for being "not hot" you've picked a
somewhat odd object of perceived affection for me.

The problem with the game you play is there are a finite number of issues
with sensible contrarian positions and this isn't one of them. It was all
fun and games for the doc, until he hurt someone. So I find the idea of an
arrogant prick doctor going to bed terrified each night somewhat amusing.
Think he thinks it's a lot of fun now?

Do you think he would agree with you that it was worth it to teach cyclists
a "lesson?"

--
Bill Asher

William Asher wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Ariana Huffington would never sleep with you.

For someone who beats on Liz Hatch for being "not hot" you've picked a
somewhat odd object of perceived affection for me.

The problem with the game you play is there are a finite number of issues
with sensible contrarian positions and this isn't one of them. It was all
fun and games for the doc, until he hurt someone. So I find the idea of an
arrogant prick doctor going to bed terrified each night somewhat amusing.
Think he thinks it's a lot of fun now?

Do you think he would agree with you that it was worth it to teach cyclists
a "lesson?"

--
Bill Asher

Like I told you the day before yesterday, I topped off my brake fluid in my
car. That's how I dealt with the whole Dr. Thompson case. As for Ariana, I
never said she was hot. Nor did I say I had any affection for her. You
simply imagined all of that.

You people have an art of putting things into people's mouths that makes a
bathroom in a San Francisco gay bar look demure.

As I told you people numerous times before, I don't think Dr. Thompson meant
to assault the cyclists since he did it at least twice before and nobody
crashed. All that happened was it forced them to brake and slow down. That's
the "lesson" he was trying to teach them. This incident with Michael Jackson
nose and his lamb chops Jason Priestly friend was going to be "lesson" #3.
But instead of it going down the way he imagined, he unknowingly did it to
riders with Liz Hatch and Michael Rasmussen time trial bike handling skills.

Do you actually believe he meant to have one of them go through his back
window of his $35,000 car on the way to work? I bet you when that happened
the doc was like, "Oh **** - what the ****." If I were a juror, I would have
convicted him on the reckless driving, but not assault with a deadly weapon
because I had reasonable doubt he was trying to even assault them let alone
kill them given that in the two previous incidents, no injuries took place let
alone death.

I honestly believe the jury got it wrong. All that blood and chicklets in
the backseat prejudiced those dumb OJ Simpson pool jurors into thinking that
just because an accident happened, he meant it to go down like that. Those
are two totally different things.

If that happened to me, there would be no case because I know how to use my
brakes...not to mention I don't go around harassing drivers who simply want to
pass me. Look at you ****in' people...you have no idea how to defend a
nation. All you did was weaken a country today. That's all you did. You put
people in danger.

Sweet dreams, son.


Col. Magilla

On Nov 2, 9:12*pm, DirtRoadie wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:30*pm, RicodJour wrote:

True enough. *If he had just expressed some remorse I think there
would have been some leniency. *As it was his SuperLawyer (sheeesh)
was spouting bull**** and blaming someone who was injured.

Now we are likely to see some serious backpedaling (pun intended) on
the part of the doctor and his counsel. They played the "they flipped
me off but I never meant to hurt them" card and it backfired big
time.
Now it's full speed ahead with damage control to try to minimize the
sentence. In light of the judge ordering that he be held without bail
until sentencing (a month away), I doubt that there is much that they
can do. Even if the jurors had been swayed by the BS put on by the
lawyer (they weren't) the judge probably has a far more finely tuned
BS meter.

I had previously predicted the judge might go easy on the jail time
and heavy on community service. Now I'm not so sure. But I think it
likely that the doctor will be attempting to throw lots of money at
the problem - anything to minimize any time behind bars.

I am curious to see whether the doctor now makes any overt statement
of remorse and, if he does, whether it is credible (to either us or
the judge). His lawyers may advise him to do so simply to gain same
leniency from the judge for sentencing. Of course, if he does, he'll
look a bit less than sincere.

And I'm also curious to see if anything happens immediately with the
pending civil suit in which, liability has now been established as a
result of the conviction.

DR

The doctor was a fool to plead innocent here, and he will pay big
time. He had prior incidents of this behavior, documented by the
cops. He called 911, giving incriminating statements. He gave
incriminating statements to the cops on the scene. The cyclists were
not breaking any laws, and had GPS data to document they were
traveling at the speed limit. Any good lawyer would have advised him
to plead no-contest to lesser charges. He'd have avoided most of the
jail sentence and still have a shot at avoiding significant civil
damages (maybe even kept his license?). Now he will lose it all. I
don't think he can turn it around in his sentencing hearing. He won't
receive the maximum sentence as it is his first offense, so I expect
him to get 6 yrs, eligible for parole in 2 yrs.

Hooray for Ron Peterson (a friend, an excellent Cat 1 cyclist and
coach, and man with a very easy-going attitude), and hooray for our
justice system and hooray for us. From the tragedy we have recovered
some small amount of loss.

On 11/3/09 10:55 AM, in article ,
"MagillaGorilla" wrote:

William Asher wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Ariana Huffington would never sleep with you.

For someone who beats on Liz Hatch for being "not hot" you've picked a
somewhat odd object of perceived affection for me.

The problem with the game you play is there are a finite number of issues
with sensible contrarian positions and this isn't one of them. It was all
fun and games for the doc, until he hurt someone. So I find the idea of an
arrogant prick doctor going to bed terrified each night somewhat amusing.
Think he thinks it's a lot of fun now?

Do you think he would agree with you that it was worth it to teach cyclists
a "lesson?"

--
Bill Asher

Like I told you the day before yesterday, I topped off my brake fluid in my
car. That's how I dealt with the whole Dr. Thompson case. As for Ariana, I
never said she was hot. Nor did I say I had any affection for her. You
simply imagined all of that.

You people have an art of putting things into people's mouths that makes a
bathroom in a San Francisco gay bar look demure.

As I told you people numerous times before, I don't think Dr. Thompson meant
to assault the cyclists since he did it at least twice before and nobody
crashed. All that happened was it forced them to brake and slow down. That's
the "lesson" he was trying to teach them. This incident with Michael Jackson
nose and his lamb chops Jason Priestly friend was going to be "lesson" #3.
But instead of it going down the way he imagined, he unknowingly did it to
riders with Liz Hatch and Michael Rasmussen time trial bike handling skills.

Do you actually believe he meant to have one of them go through his back
window of his $35,000 car on the way to work? I bet you when that happened
the doc was like, "Oh **** - what the ****." If I were a juror, I would have
convicted him on the reckless driving, but not assault with a deadly weapon
because I had reasonable doubt he was trying to even assault them let alone
kill them given that in the two previous incidents, no injuries took place let
alone death.

I honestly believe the jury got it wrong. All that blood and chicklets in
the backseat prejudiced those dumb OJ Simpson pool jurors into thinking that
just because an accident happened, he meant it to go down like that. Those
are two totally different things.

If that happened to me, there would be no case because I know how to use my
brakes...not to mention I don't go around harassing drivers who simply want to
pass me. Look at you ****in' people...you have no idea how to defend a
nation. All you did was weaken a country today. That's all you did. You put
people in danger.

Sweet dreams, son.


Col. Magilla



You are a real callous piece of ****, and I would say it to your face. That
being said........ You are just being like Henry and yanking chains here.