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With reference to cycle lanes. etc - report well worth reading, c/o Warrington CC
Attempting to find the archive of farcilities of the month, I wandered round the WCC website, and stumbled upon this: http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co....ign/report/Hil den.pdf Now *that* sounds like a good plan. How on earth do we get UK towns and cities to follow suit though? Of is it just one of those cultural differences between us and the mainlanders that we'll never persuade our population to act thus? -- - DJ Pyromancer, The Sunday Goth Social, Leeds. http://www.sheepish.net Broadband, Dialup, Domains = http://www.wytches.net = The UK's Pagan ISP! http://www.inkubus-sukkubus.co.uk http://www.revival.stormshadow.com |
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With reference to cycle lanes. etc - report well worth reading, c/o Warrington CC
Attempting to find the archive of farcilities of the month, I wandered
round the WCC website, and stumbled upon this: http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co....ign/report/Hil den.pdf Now *that* sounds like a good plan. How on earth do we get UK towns and cities to follow suit though? You're right, it does look pretty good. But it is completely destroyed for anyone who knows anything about promoting and providing for cyclists by being liberally sprinkled with pictures of cyclists with helmets. |
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Rich wrote: Attempting to find the archive of farcilities of the month, I wandered round the WCC website, and stumbled upon this: http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co....ign/report/Hil den.pdf Now *that* sounds like a good plan. How on earth do we get UK towns and cities to follow suit though? You're right, it does look pretty good. But it is completely destroyed for anyone who knows anything about promoting and providing for cyclists by being liberally sprinkled with pictures of cyclists with helmets. I thought this quote was interesting: "Our off road facilities are useful, but our major objective is to get cyclists onto the roads. Here they are safer and have a calming effect on vehicle speeds. most cycle accidents occur on off-road routes and result from car owners reversing into cyclists when coming out of their drives" and "Hilden has spent less and 120,000 Euros in [the] whole of the last 10 years on cycle specific facilities". And yet they've managed to get cycle use up to 24% Tim. |
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"squeaker" wrote in message oups.com... Rich wrote: But it is completely destroyed for anyone who knows anything about promoting and providing for cyclists by being liberally sprinkled with pictures of cyclists with helmets. 'Completely destroyed' !?! Get a life - it's just a little logo - no wonder we're not getting anywhere I beg to differ. It's the big pic on the cover and it's on every page, and it sends the insidious message that cycling is dangerous. If it's just a little logo, why couldn't they use a sensible one? Yes, it's no wonder we're not getting anywhere when even cyclists are willing to show cycling as being so dangerous that you have to wear special "safety" gear, the only effect of which is to put people off cycling. |
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With reference to cycle lanes. etc - report well worth reading,c/o Warrington CC
Rich wrote:
"s Yes, it's no wonder we're not getting anywhere when even cyclists are willing to show cycling as being so dangerous that you have to wear special "safety" gear, the only effect of which is to put people off cycling. If you know anything about the Warrington Cycle campaign you'd know that they are as aware of the helmets issues as anyone. Photos, drawings etc tend to reflect reality - some cyclists wear helmets, some don't. In terms of what's been achieved in Hilden its a side issue. The problem I have with the German approach to road safety is that they have consistently refused to impose speed limits on autobahns, in defiance of EU policy. This enables their auto industry to produce ever faster vehicles with which the rest of the world has to compete. Thus, they subject the rest of us to the tyranny of speed whilst ensuring that their own communities are protected. Simon |
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they subject the rest of us to the tyranny of speed whilst ensuring that their own communities are protected. Protected by what? The cars are only allowed to do go at silly speeds in Germany - seems like we're protected and they're not. |
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With reference to cycle lanes. etc - report well worth reading, c/o Warrington CC
Simon Geller wrote: The problem I have with the German approach to road safety is that they have consistently refused to impose speed limits on autobahns, in defiance of EU policy. This enables their auto industry to produce ever faster vehicles with which the rest of the world has to compete. Thus, they subject the rest of us to the tyranny of speed whilst ensuring that their own communities are protected. People have always wanted to go fast and always will. It's the 18.5mph limit in towns like Hilden that makes the difference, not how fast they go on their motorways. A convincing case could probably be made for reducing all UK town limits to 20mph, with continuous constant camera enforcement everywhere, in "exchange" for raising the general motorway speed limits to 100 or 120mph. That would give the motoring speed lobby what the they want while making town roads everywhere vastly safer for everyone. BTW, ISTR the fastest production car in the world is British, not German (and the parent company is American). Jaguar XJ220, 220mph. |
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Pyromancer wrote:
Simon Geller wrote: BTW, ISTR the fastest production car in the world is British, not German (and the parent company is American). Jaguar XJ220, 220mph. McLaren F1 240.1 mph Tom -- Return address is dead. Real address is at http://toomanybikes.com/address.jpg |
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Tom wrote:
Pyromancer wrote: Simon Geller wrote: BTW, ISTR the fastest production car in the world is British, not German (and the parent company is American). Jaguar XJ220, 220mph. McLaren F1 240.1 mph anorak The Bugatti Veyron is apparently good for 252 /anorak Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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