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  #11  
Old July 12th 03, 12:34 AM
Golightly F.
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Your only defense is to use the water bottle... or hammer the pedals for a
while.

Catching the dog is probably not a good idea... but catching the dogs owner
is.

fwiw

"GABIKE"
Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I

got
chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.

Never
given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.
What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?




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Old July 12th 03, 04:21 AM
henry
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E-ddy!!!!!

Seriously, all of my encounters have been easily managed with one or a combo
of the following:

1. Say "hi puppy!" etc., in a high-pitched falsetto little girl voice.
Percieved as non-threatening, they often lose interest and trot away.

2. If that doesn't work yell "SIT! STAY!", in a VERY commanding voice, and
hope they think your are their master. Fun when it works!!

3. I usually find that squirting them with water doesn't help on a hot day
if they've been chasing for long cause they are thirsty and will hang with
you for the relief. I used to carry some dog biscuits in my saddle bag and
would toss them out if all of the above failed.

4. When all else fails, go to big ring, stand up and hope they don't get in
your front wheel.

There was a big dog that charged us every Saturday on Sunday on our northern
route. I mentioned to my father and he recognized the location of the farm
and knew the owner. From the following weekend on, "Rusty" was in the
screened-in porch every weekend!

ie
ride fast, take chances
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"GABIKE" wrote in message
...
Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I

got
chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.

Never
given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.
What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?



  #14  
Old July 12th 03, 04:22 AM
S. Anderson
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"Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" wrote
in message . com...

Absolutely true. If I'm not in a rush, I actually enjoy stopping and
staring them (dogs) down, assuming, of course, it's not drooling too much
and audibly ganshing teeth! It has an amazingly powerful effect when you
simply stop and stare a dog down (when it's been coming after you). They
just don't know what to do, because that's not the way they're programmed.
And experience has told me that this can actually "break" a dog
psychologically... they will sometimes stop going after cyclists after

such
an experience.

But keep in mind this works with relatively "normal" dogs. If somebody

has
trained a pitbull (or any other aggressive breed) to shred & kill, you
really ought to find someplace else to be. But the same rules of safety
still apply- put your bike between you and the dog.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com


It's a dangerous thing to stare down a dog you don't know. You're directly
challenging his dominance and if he decides that he's dominant, you might
get bit. They're absolutely programmed for stare contests..that's one of
the most basic methods they use for establishing rank in the pack and it IS
a fairly serious event for the dog. For the most part, dogs are happy to be
submissive, don't want a fight and will back down. Which is the same reason
most dogs don't bite when they chase you. They just see something that
looks exciting and they're in it for the fun of the chase. As soon as the
chase stops, they're back to being normal, boring dogs. I think the
stare-down is an unnecessary risk. Unfortunately, it is this type of
reaction that is necessary to stop that behaviour. When the dog chases
cyclists and we ride away at a furious pace, the dog is happy and this
reinforces the desire to keep doing it because it's so much fun for him.
The owner is really the one who should curb the behaviour with some
dominance assertion. It shouldn't have to come to a cyclist gambling on a
dominance challenge to curb the dog's behaviour. That's risky for you.
Unfortunately, owners are rarely held accountable for their dog's actions,
which is unfortunate for the dog and the people they bite.

Cheers,

Scott..


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Old July 12th 03, 07:20 AM
Mike Jacoubowsky
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It's a dangerous thing to stare down a dog you don't know. You're
directly
challenging his dominance and if he decides that he's dominant, you might
get bit. They're absolutely programmed for stare contests..that's one of
the most basic methods they use for establishing rank in the pack and it

IS
a fairly serious event for the dog. For the most part, dogs are happy to

be
submissive, don't want a fight and will back down. Which is the same

reason
most dogs don't bite when they chase you. They just see something that
looks exciting and they're in it for the fun of the chase. As soon as the
chase stops, they're back to being normal, boring dogs. I think the
stare-down is an unnecessary risk. Unfortunately, it is this type of
reaction that is necessary to stop that behaviour. When the dog chases
cyclists and we ride away at a furious pace, the dog is happy and this
reinforces the desire to keep doing it because it's so much fun for him.
The owner is really the one who should curb the behaviour with some
dominance assertion. It shouldn't have to come to a cyclist gambling on a
dominance challenge to curb the dog's behaviour. That's risky for you.
Unfortunately, owners are rarely held accountable for their dog's actions,
which is unfortunate for the dog and the people they bite.


Scott: You're right, of course, and yet I don't find that many dogs that
are willing to continue to press when they discover that you're not afraid
of them. Dogs have this way of sensing fear that's almost unbelievable.
Maybe I'm just dumb and wasn't born with enough respect for nasty dogs?
But, once broken, a dog just doesn't seem as nasty towards cyclists in the
future. The stuff about spraying them with water or mace works great that
one time, but doesn't seem to deter them from trying again.

Maybe I was a snake charmer in a former life?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


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Old July 12th 03, 07:46 AM
Duffy Pratt
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I resort to staring them down only when I know I can't outrun them for some
reason. I know its risky, but if its a dog you won't beat at the dominance
game, its probably gonna try to go for you anyway, I think.

Another thing is I will only stop the bike and get off when I'm pretty sure
I'm off of their turf. Dogs will be much more aggressive if you are
intruding on their territory.

Duffy

"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
gy.com...
It's a dangerous thing to stare down a dog you don't know. You're

directly
challenging his dominance and if he decides that he's dominant, you

might
get bit. They're absolutely programmed for stare contests..that's one

of
the most basic methods they use for establishing rank in the pack and it

IS
a fairly serious event for the dog. For the most part, dogs are happy

to
be
submissive, don't want a fight and will back down. Which is the same

reason
most dogs don't bite when they chase you. They just see something that
looks exciting and they're in it for the fun of the chase. As soon as

the
chase stops, they're back to being normal, boring dogs. I think the
stare-down is an unnecessary risk. Unfortunately, it is this type of
reaction that is necessary to stop that behaviour. When the dog chases
cyclists and we ride away at a furious pace, the dog is happy and this
reinforces the desire to keep doing it because it's so much fun for him.
The owner is really the one who should curb the behaviour with some
dominance assertion. It shouldn't have to come to a cyclist gambling on

a
dominance challenge to curb the dog's behaviour. That's risky for you.
Unfortunately, owners are rarely held accountable for their dog's

actions,
which is unfortunate for the dog and the people they bite.


Scott: You're right, of course, and yet I don't find that many dogs that
are willing to continue to press when they discover that you're not afraid
of them. Dogs have this way of sensing fear that's almost unbelievable.
Maybe I'm just dumb and wasn't born with enough respect for nasty dogs?
But, once broken, a dog just doesn't seem as nasty towards cyclists in the
future. The stuff about spraying them with water or mace works great that
one time, but doesn't seem to deter them from trying again.

Maybe I was a snake charmer in a former life?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com




  #18  
Old July 12th 03, 12:48 PM
GABIKE
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I have yet to see a bad tempered great dane. In spite of their
humungous size, they are actually good in city apartments. I've known
people who've kept them in the city and they are really easy, not hyper or
barky. And if they do bark, they can scare away any possible intruder.

I have never seen a mean one either till that ride. He was doing that
growley/barkey thing as he ran towards me, kind of like what my german shepard
does when hes chasing a rabbit or squerrel in the back yard. When my dog
catches them, he doesnt give up and say that was fun and trot back to the
porch. There is usually something morbid to follow.
He loves to play fetch, if he cant find a ball he will dig up a rock (stupid
dog), one day he droped a "ball" at my wifes feet, she almost picked it up when
she realized it was a rabbit head. Needless to say it was a significant
emotional event for my wife who always had pet rabbits when she was little. I
tried not to laugh, but that was funny stuff.

  #19  
Old July 12th 03, 04:12 PM
J.P. and Earl
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While starting to ride really fast, I usually turn and face the dog and say
in a commanding voice...

"GET DOWN OFF THE COUCH"

They usually know that command or at the very least are confused enough to
look at me with a "what the f*ck?"

J.P.

"GABIKE" wrote in message
...
Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I

got
chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.

Never
given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.
What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?



  #20  
Old July 12th 03, 07:25 PM
alan
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The tradition in group rides is to allow them to catch and eat the slowest
riders, proving Darwin was right once again.

--

alan

Anyone who believes in a liberal media has never read the "Daily Oklahoman."


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