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  #31  
Old September 25th 06, 08:56 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Brooke
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Peter Fox Wrote:
$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.
Will Mr Snow be requiring a Pedalometer to explain his decisions?


I think AHD is a particularly good choice though whether he'd fit with
David Martin's mainstream (i.e. normal) requirement is debatable.

Others:

Chris Boardman? Not utility enough?

Nicole Cooke? Too young? Not famous enough? (despite being the best
female cyclist in the world)

Sean Yates? Again, not utility? Too bloody busy anyway?

'Christian Wolmar' (http://www.christianwolmar.co.uk)? Too political?
Not famous enough? Not mainstream enough?


This begs the question of whether we're looking for someone to represent
cycling as a utility activity, cycling as a liesure activity, or cycling
as a sport. The CTC have traditionally represented cycling as liesure;
British Cycling and the SCU have traditionally represented cycling as
sport. Both seem to be making some moves towards representing cycling as a
utility activity, but neither are doing it very well yet.

Nicole Cooke is superficially a good candidate for a representative of
cycling as a sport, but as she has hopefully many years of competitive
cycling ahead of her she doesn't really have the time to do it. Boardman
could; so could Phil Liggett. But someone I think would be good - yes, he
isn't actually British but he lives here - would be Magnus Bakstedt.

For liesure cycling I really can't think of anyone prominent enough. And
for utility cycling, while I agree Adam Hart Davis is a candidate, I
personally come back to Boris.

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  #32  
Old September 25th 06, 09:45 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Simon Brooke wrote:
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For liesure cycling I really can't think of anyone prominent enough. And
for utility cycling, while I agree Adam Hart Davis is a candidate, I
personally come back to Boris.

The Dutch ex Minister for Justice ( always seen riding his black
roadster) is also looking for a job

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  #33  
Old September 25th 06, 09:56 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Peter Fox wrote:

$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?


Will Self!


  #34  
Old September 25th 06, 10:35 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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The CTC has made an unwise move, I think.

According to the copy of Cycle which arrived this morning, Jon Snow is the
new CTC president, having been invited to take the role once Phil Liggett
steps down.

This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on 'Richard &
Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up cycling
as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be kept
separate from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the erroneous
view that cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going to take
before this comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational backside
when the media picks up on how the CTC has a president who thinks cyclists
should be kept off the roads, yet at the same time supporting Daniel
Cadden, a CTC member who was fined for cycling on the road. Mixed messages
from the CTC, anyone?

I feel like handing in my CTC membership in disgust.

Cheers, helen s


I'm not impressed either! The following is a letter to "Cycle" the CTC mag,
which I've just emailed to the editor.

"Dear sir,

I read with some disappointment of the accession of Jon Snow to the position
of President of my club. Not because he is a journalist, and only
politicians are held in less regard than them, but because I heard an
interview with Mr Snow, where he claimed that a cycle helmet had saved his
life, and that anyone sensible wore such a device. By implication, Mr Snow
considers that anyone not wearing a cycle helmet is an idiot.

I find it hard to accept that someone, supposedly professionally
questioning, is unhesitating in their acceptance that cycle helmets work. I
used to believe that helmets must work, but changed my mind after reading
the evidence, and I find Mr Snow's assertions to be as credible as the pot
of gold at the end of the rainbow.

The evidence is clear, compelling and undisputed: cycle helmets don't work.
Nowhere that has introduced helmet compulsion has shown any reduction in
risk to cyclists, and some show an increase in risk. None of the evidence
showing the lack of effect of helmets has been challenged, but most, if not
all, of the evidence supposedly demonstrating their effectiveness has been
shown to be biased and unreliable.

The CTC's position on cycle helmets has been clearly stated many times, that
it is a matter of individual choice, which should be made on the best
available evidence. Mr Snow, from his public pronouncements, appears not to
support this view.

Neither, Mr Editor, would you appear to. The matter of helmets and their
disproportionate numbers in pictures in "Cycle" have been commented on
several times, and you have made some rather feeble excuses for their
preponderance. You published a learned article about what helmets were
supposed to do, but I have waited in vain for an article explaining that, in
the real world, they don't do it.

Helmet wearing in the general population of cyclists is somewhere between 20
and 25%. The latest edition of "Cycle" has almost exactly the opposite
proportion, with the helmeted cyclist pictures being generally larger and in
more prominent positions than the un-helmeted. Previous editions under your
editorship have shown the same gross, unjustifiable and unrealistic
imbalance. As a national councilor, I voted for taking the magazine from
in-house production to the outsourced production it now is. Whilst this has
been successful in many ways, if I had known then that it would become
unrepresentative and helmet-obsessed, I would not have voted for the change.

All of which leaves me in a dilemma: do I really want to belong to a club
with a President who thinks that the majority of the members are idiots, and
which has a magazine editor who opposes the majority view of that club?

Yours sincerely

Richard Burton"


  #35  
Old September 25th 06, 10:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
burt
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"Peter Fox" wrote in
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$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.


AHD is yet another helmet obsessive. He wears one on his recumbent and it's
his trademark!

Cycling needs brains not mouthpieces.


Anyone who blindly accepts that helmets work doesn't have a brain, and can't
be bothered with little things like evidence.


  #36  
Old September 25th 06, 10:41 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Stephen Patterson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:20:29 +0100, Peter Fox wrote:

$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?
The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees'
qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with
televisions and sporty knowledge would know about.



Yes, him or the presenter of that recent bbc programs about mapping who went
over some of the lake district passes on a 100 year old bike ...
ah yes, Nicholas Crane http://www.tvfactual.co.uk/nicolas_crane.htm though Adam
Hart's better known.


He would get my vote as well, it wasn't just that route he did by bike.

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  #37  
Old September 25th 06, 10:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Simon Brooke" wrote in message
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in message , wheelist
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Nicole Cooke is superficially a good candidate for a representative of
cycling as a sport, but as she has hopefully many years of competitive
cycling ahead of her she doesn't really have the time to do it. Boardman
could; so could Phil Liggett.


Phil Liggett is the CTC president who's just resigned!


  #38  
Old September 25th 06, 10:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Ian Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:51:14 +0100, Simon Brooke
wrote:
in message , Peter Fox
l') wrote:

$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador?


Boris Jonstone?

No, I am vaguely serious. He is a Tory, I know, but he is well known as
a
regular utility cyclist and is media-friendly in his own bizarre way.


I'd second Boris.


And thirded.


  #39  
Old September 25th 06, 11:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on
'Richard &
Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up
cycling
as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be kept
separate
from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the erroneous view
that
cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going to take before
this
comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational backside when the
media
Not read all the responses - but he is probably right. Of course
cycling is not inherently dangerous - but we share the roads with
idiots who think that you are less than human if you ride a bike, or
haven't 'made it' as was demonstrated by an Indian Driver plus family
that looked at me as if I was a lump of **** because I Shouted 'hello'
as he turned left out of a side street without looking right! How dare
you impede my you low-cast person! Sorry I will crawl up my ass.


  #40  
Old September 26th 06, 12:16 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
David Martin
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How about Griff Rhys Jones?

Managed to take his emminently sensible hybrid everywhere on
Restoration Village, wearing normal clothes and not a 'specialist'
piece of gear in sight. Made no fuss about the bike, it was just there
and normal.

He is also well liked, well respected and not from the ranks of the
FLJS or politicians.

...d

 




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