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On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 9:45:16 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
If cloth on a leather saddle abrades a hole in cloth, then maybe trading materials will help. Wear lederhosen (leather pants) and ride on a cloth saddle. That way, you abrade a hole in the bicycle saddle and remain presentable in the lederhosen. Presentable lederhosen? Except in some very special places, I think that's an oxymoron. (I hope that's not culturally insensitive!) Sheep skin is known for preventing bed sores caused by pressure points. However, that doesn't involve friction or abrasion. All the sheep skin does is distribute the static pressure over a wider area so as not to produce bruises and sores. I'm not sure that's true. I suspect that hair in general, and thick fur even more, reduces friction at least for small amplitude movements. I'm envisioning each hair (or layer of hair) sliding over the adjacent layer, between the pants and the saddle. As evidence, have you ever seen a sheep stuck against a solid surface? I haven't. ;-) - Frank Krygowski |
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:32:35 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 9:45:16 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: If cloth on a leather saddle abrades a hole in cloth, then maybe trading materials will help. Wear lederhosen (leather pants) and ride on a cloth saddle. That way, you abrade a hole in the bicycle saddle and remain presentable in the lederhosen. Presentable lederhosen? Except in some very special places, I think that's an oxymoron. (I hope that's not culturally insensitive!) Well Leder Hosen literally means Leather Pants, or Trousers and https://shop.nordstrom.com/c/womens-...000485_8000502 Shows some pretty presentable leather pants :-) or https://www.bloomingdales.com/buy/le...ants-for-women I do notice that faux leather is quite prevalent. I believe that the Faux is a creature that lives in the lower Fiscal Ranges in both the U.S. and Europe :-) Sheep skin is known for preventing bed sores caused by pressure points. However, that doesn't involve friction or abrasion. All the sheep skin does is distribute the static pressure over a wider area so as not to produce bruises and sores. I'm not sure that's true. I suspect that hair in general, and thick fur even more, reduces friction at least for small amplitude movements. I'm envisioning each hair (or layer of hair) sliding over the adjacent layer, between the pants and the saddle. As evidence, have you ever seen a sheep stuck against a solid surface? I haven't. ;-) - Frank Krygowski -- cheers, John B. |
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On 11/17/2019 1:31 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:32:35 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 9:45:16 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: If cloth on a leather saddle abrades a hole in cloth, then maybe trading materials will help. Wear lederhosen (leather pants) and ride on a cloth saddle. That way, you abrade a hole in the bicycle saddle and remain presentable in the lederhosen. Presentable lederhosen? Except in some very special places, I think that's an oxymoron. (I hope that's not culturally insensitive!) Well Leder Hosen literally means Leather Pants, or Trousers and https://shop.nordstrom.com/c/womens-...000485_8000502 Shows some pretty presentable leather pants :-) Good point! It all depends what's inside the pants. We were at a sort of ethnic festival some years back, and one of our village councilmen showed up in lederhosen like these: https://www.lederhosenstore.com/ It was more than a bit odd, since the most anyone else did was wear a cap or T-shirt with the name of their ancestral country. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 18:45:12 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:56:20 -0000 (UTC), Dieter Britz wrote: [...] If cloth on a leather saddle abrades a hole in cloth, then maybe trading materials will help. Wear lederhosen (leather pants) and ride on a Yes, and yodle as you ride. -- Dieter Britz |
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On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 8:14:38 AM UTC-8, Dieter Britz wrote:
On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 18:45:12 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:56:20 -0000 (UTC), Dieter Britz wrote: [...] If cloth on a leather saddle abrades a hole in cloth, then maybe trading materials will help. Wear lederhosen (leather pants) and ride on a Yes, and yodle as you ride. -- Dieter Britz 20 points |
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:32:35 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 9:45:16 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: If cloth on a leather saddle abrades a hole in cloth, then maybe trading materials will help. Wear lederhosen (leather pants) and ride on a cloth saddle. That way, you abrade a hole in the bicycle saddle and remain presentable in the lederhosen. Presentable lederhosen? Except in some very special places, I think that's an oxymoron. Wear a neck tie with the lederhosen and you're instantly considered presentable. Also, I goofed. Real lederhosen is made from goat or deer hide, not cow hide. https://www.oktoberfest-dirndl-shop.co.uk/blog/news/deerskin-leather-is-best-for-lederhosen (I hope that's not culturally insensitive!) I was born in Munchen Germany. You'll get a letter from my attorney in a few days demanding a retraction for defamation of my character. I have a photo buried somewhere of me and my father in lederhosen. I think I was about 5 years old in the photo. Sheep skin is known for preventing bed sores caused by pressure points. However, that doesn't involve friction or abrasion. All the sheep skin does is distribute the static pressure over a wider area so as not to produce bruises and sores. I'm not sure that's true. I suspect that hair in general, and thick fur even more, reduces friction at least for small amplitude movements. I'm envisioning each hair (or layer of hair) sliding over the adjacent layer, between the pants and the saddle. I'm sure it's true. My father had a stroke in 1986 which paralyzed his left side. Bed sores eventually became a problem. He couldn't feel the pressure point on his left side, so he didn't roll around in bed to relieve the pressure. The result was bed sores. We purchased a sheep skin bed pad, something like one of these: https://www.sheepskintown.com/medical-sheepskins-c-69.html See the section starting with "About our Medical Sheepskin" for benefits and characteristics of these pads. Note the commends on "distributing the weight". One could use a urethane foam pad to provide a similar spread of weight distribution. However, foam would not provide sufficient air flow through the pad to remain cool and would probably be difficult to clean and disinfect. If the bicycle saddle induced abrasions are caused excessive load concentration, such as at the top of the saddle, a "softer" saddle or a sheep skin should help. However, if the abrasions are caused by friction between the saddle and the clothing, I would not expect much of an improvement. As evidence, have you ever seen a sheep stuck against a solid surface? I haven't. I don't know about sheep skins, but the abrasive qualities of cloth are much the same as sandpaper. If the surface is smooth, little or no material is removed. If the surface is rough, the surface is first polished and then abraded. When my fathers garment factory was attempting to make women's sportswear, we had an odd problem. To save cost, we use dyed synthetic cloth, where the colors were only on the surface of the material. Natural fibers absorb the dyes like a sponge, and factory colored material is all the same color throughout the material. What was happening was the seat of the pants were wearing where they came in contact with automobile upholstery, horse saddles, boat seats, etc. It didn't seem to matter if they sat on something hard or soft, the color was wearing off. It turned out the culprit was dirt, which would act as an abrasive. The coefficient of friction between clean materials was only slightly significant. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 17/11/2019 17:12, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/17/2019 1:31 AM, John B. wrote: On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:32:35 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 9:45:16 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: If cloth on a leather saddle abrades a hole in cloth, then maybe trading materials will help.Â* Wear lederhosen (leather pants) and ride on a cloth saddle.Â* That way, you abrade a hole in the bicycle saddle and remain presentable in the lederhosen. Presentable lederhosen? Except in some very special places, I think that's an oxymoron. (I hope that's not culturally insensitive!) Well Leder Hosen literally means Leather Pants, or Trousers and https://shop.nordstrom.com/c/womens-...000485_8000502 Shows some pretty presentable leather pants :-) Good point! It all depends what's inside the pants. This is the real deal https://www.amazon.ca/Forum-Womens-D.../dp/B0157YG4GW Comes with beer, pigtails and a silly hat. |
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On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:14:35 -0000 (UTC), Dieter Britz
wrote: On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 18:45:12 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:56:20 -0000 (UTC), Dieter Britz wrote: [...] If cloth on a leather saddle abrades a hole in cloth, then maybe trading materials will help. Wear lederhosen (leather pants) and ride on a Yes, and yodle as you ride. I don't think yodeling will help prevent saddle sores and damage to your pants. There are also other problems. It seems to very difficult to yodel in any position other than standing up. Leaning over on a bicycle, while breathing in synchronization with the pedals, seems rather difficult. It might be possible in an upright posture on a "comfort bicycle" or recumbent, but posture probably has little effect on the breathing synchronization problem. https://www.wikihow.com/Yodel I just tried it on an exercise bicycle. I was able to produce vaguely yodel-like noises when my head was upright and when pedaling slowly. But, when I sped up, I couldn't do it. Perhaps someone with more expertise in yodeling while pedaling could volunteer some additional input. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 11/16/2019 6:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
If you don't change the fake leather saddle and the unspecified type cloth pants, you could eliminate the problem by simply applying a greasy lubricant to your pants. Unfortunately, this only works for mechanics. Second best is to place a layer of something between the fake leather saddle and the cloth pants, that is less susceptible to abrasion and is fairly slippery. Cellophane wrap, Teflon sheet, wax paper, aluminum foil, etc will work. Anything that is contiguous, stretches tight without wrinkles, and does not trap dirt, will work. If you can put a layer of aluminum foil on a bicycle saddle without wrinkles, I think you could get a lot of hits on YouTube. Fame awaits. Mark J. |
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:56:20 +0000, Dieter Britz wrote:
I know probably most of you are recreational cyclists, using lycra gear, but I ride my bike to work and back every day, and I wear a hole into the seat of my pants after a year or two. The rest of the pants are still OK. Would one of those sheep skin seat covers help with that? I have a fairly hard racing saddle. Probably, I've used one and I've never experienced wearing a hole in my cotton work pants that I use for bicycling. |
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