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Carmageddon: Do we eliminate half the cars or half the people?



 
 
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Old January 2nd 15, 04:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, January 2, 2015 8:16:51 AM UTC-5, Dave Head wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:44:44 -0800 (PST), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:


Oh well, many people survive with buses. But no matter how you put it the sprawl is difficult to cover with buses. It's not an argument against it, just that the bicycle covers the missing spots IF you are able to carry it on the bus. The killer combination is:


Try this crap from 20 miles out of town, with the nearest town NOT
being something the size of LA or NYC.

BICYCLE + BUS (trains are even better)


Bicycles suck. 38 degrees and raining, and a D bicycle is not what
you want to be doing. Its spelled, 'pneumonia.' Get in your car, set
the heater on "creamate", and enjoy the ride.

By the way, Los Angeles is about to face "Carmageddon."


They've been that way since the 1950's.


"People are threats"... more so behind the wheel of the car. Even more in command of an SUV.

The issue is how we approach the endless traffic jams and the resulting road rage. More roads is not possible. The population is growing, not shrinking. Car ownership in India and China is exploding.

Do we eliminate half the cars or half of the people? Time to welcome a pandemic?


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Old January 4th 15, 11:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:35:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2015-01-03 17:19:34 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:

On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:23:54 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher wrote:
You drivers are placing the noose around your own neck. Your radicalism
doesn't even tolerate the bicycle. The bicycle infrastructure is non
existent or dysfunctional. Public transportation is highly
dysfunctional too. You oppose trains in the city. You oppose fast
trains as well. What's next?

"Carmageddon!"


I don't think we should turn this into a class struggle issue because
we often are both cyclists and drivers.

Naturally the bicycle is the most democratic vehicle of the two and the
one that keeps you in touch with your community. I don't think you
should even vote if you don't ride a bike. You don't know what's going
on. You don't know about crime. You don't know about broken sidewalks.
You don't know about corruption.


More completely bull****.


Everything is dysfunctional. You think we want free facilities. No, we
don't want any of that. Bike lanes don't work, not connected, used for
deliveries. They become another excuse for corruption.


I KNOW you receive free facilities.

Who will pay for those if you actually eliminate car use?


"Eliminate car use?"

I tell you drivers tend to be radical. I want to retire the bad drivers so the other forms of transportation as well as the good drivers can enjoy more room.

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Old January 4th 15, 11:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, January 4, 2015 3:31:02 PM UTC-5, Your Name wrote:
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Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
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We want a traffic lane. That means "taking the lane" in the bike culture.
You want us to pay for it? OK, how about 30 bucks a year for the "license."


$30?!? Not a chance. A whole lane (even a narrow bike lane) on lots of
busy roads all over the city, with maybe a dozen riders every year if
you're lucky ... you're looking at more like $500,000 per rider per
year, and that's before you even get the all the fines for breaking
road rules. ;-)


I don't mean to take away a lane away from traffic, just that the right lane is prioritized for slow vehicles, including bicycles. If there's no alternative vehicles you may drive at slow speeds up to 25 mph.

Oh don't worry about the rules. We need to rewrite the rules.
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Old January 6th 15, 03:20 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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For some reason I think every thing is coming to a head regarding this subject.. I also dont feel our economy is sustainable. The mass production model that has been going on seems to be unsustainable and will lead to environmental collaspe..forget about economic collapse. Can the bicycle save us???;; but the problem is the master who we serve our Cars is the one who provides all our jobs for us...all our work.... How will we have a different economy not based on our car culture?¿?¿??
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Old January 7th 15, 12:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 6:40:22 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2015-01-06 23:33:09 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:

On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 5:20:37 PM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher wrote:
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:36:56 PM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher wrote:
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 2:25:28 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2015-01-06 14:52:22 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:

Why don't you ask the city of Miami Beach what they are? Do you think
they'll bother to reply?

Why don't you?

None of this changes the fact that YOU personally not knowing what
they are or why they are there does not show evidence that they
are the result of corruption in any way at all.

I don't think they even care what I think. I care what people think.
Anyone who's honest enough thinks that's corruption. Actually you are
the first person who doesn't want to see corruption.

If we don't know of any advantage, while we see the tire markings all
over it, we can take the freedom to call them stupid. Let them
tell me what they are.

No. There are tire marks in lots of places that are not "stupid".

The are plenty of tire marks and dents on it, which means either the
engineer is stupid or the drivers are stupid.
Standing dirty water are another byproduct of these islands:

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac18/thetibetanmonkey/CORRUPTION/KIMG0003_zpsbvhytrmp.jpg

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac18/thetibetanmonkey/CORRUPTION/KIMG0002_zps98cwkvxg.jpg
I guess the engineers know how to dump money down
the drain but not the water.

Again, doing something imperfectly is not evidence that the idea is stupid.

Not only it's imperfect, it's unnecessary. "Whatever is not necessary,
it's unnecessary."

The mayor is making big promises but I'm not sitting and getting fat
waiting for it anymore. We are moving but leaving a property behind. If
he fulfills his promises, I'll be the first one surprised.

"Miami Beach Mayor Wants to Build a Bike Path From South Pointe Park to
Fort Lauderdale"

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/ripti...path_to_br.php


His patter of behavior has been the opposite of his claims. He's been
cutting down trees or moving them from one location to another rather
remote location, removing the grass that holds together the sand dunes
--a natural barrier against hurricanes, we were lucky this year we
didn't have any-- and --my favorite-- kept a magnificent club for the
elderly under permanent state of construction.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/a...psiqftpqi9.jpg


How does this picture prove the mayor had anything to do with it?


Because he took over said property after a long construction process and promised to open it himself, and he has done nothing.

That's a major landmark in this crappy town he couldn't miss. What he did miss was all the litter and the homeless lying around. He spoke about the homeless and said was considering certain solutions. "Coming soon to a theater near you." I'm learning he opened some theater around, so that's very appropriate.


Why the elderly? Because they vote. One elderly lady complained to him
her bike had been stolen, he brought her one. Another lady got a
surprising return of her taxes --100 bucks. Mr Nice Guy, so to speak.


So you're claiming both that he panders to the elderly and he antagonizes them?


He's not antagonizing them in any way. He gave them --you'll love this-- a free trolley bus. You want cyclists to pay their way, but the elderly get a free ride.
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Old January 7th 15, 01:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:40:23 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2015-01-06 20:35:15 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:


Not only it's imperfect, it's unnecessary. "Whatever is not necessary,
it's unnecessary."


Sorry, but you're not qualified to say that.

From your latest pictures, its clear the purpose of those islands is to
prevent cars from parking too close to the corner.


I'll give you 24 hours to come up with a better excuse.

You can prevent cars from parking near corners by issuing tickets or towing. That's a great way to generate revenues as well.

Tell your city not to do that crappy design. It's contagious, now moving into the very poor ghettos.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps250de33a.jpg
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Old January 9th 15, 07:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 1:39:32 PM UTC-5, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote:
On Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:07:36 PM UTC-5, Mike Painter wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2015 21:14:15 -0800 (PST), "Wise TibetanMonkey, Most
Humble Philosopher" wrote:

On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:05:05 PM UTC-5, BTR1701 wrote:
In article ,
"Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher"
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Why the elderly? Because they vote.

So vote yourself. That's how the process works. If you and people like
you choose not to vote, you can't complain that the people who *do* vote
get what they want.

Nothing can match the loyalty of the elderly voting machine. The revolution will start when Social Security runs out money as the elderly population grows.


From what I have seen, this is sadly true.
You would think that an aging population would vote to make sure they
are secure in their old age and force moving money from killing people
to healing them.

You would think that until you hear the older poorer part of the
population reacting to sound bites and voting for the people who are
taking the money away from them.


The politics of fear work best. Fear of losing the socialist system they enjoy.

Thoughts of the future are avoided. The fact that they are leaving a messy planet for the grand kids is not part of the political rhetoric.


I've to say I got nothing against the honorable elderly since I'm a "member of the club" myself. But I don't know how the "wise elders of the tribe" became the blind members of the "democratic process."

Some are genuinely wise but it's not the majority that votes. Perhaps it's the democratic process that corrupts everything, or --to be more precise-- we may blame party politics for it. Perhaps it's the car that isolates them from the issues going on in their community, such as broken sidewalks and corruption.
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Old January 12th 15, 06:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 1:42:57 AM UTC-5, Your Name wrote:
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Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
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Great ideas.

Free trolleys:


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...-beach/article
2206300.html

$350,000 restoration of water fountain:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...le2829510.html

All paid by the taxpayer. Climate change and hurricanes are the only hope.


The Auckland City Council and New Zealand Government want to build a
"second" (it's the third - the numskulls can't even count!) which is
planned to be tunnels. Not only is it in a pointlessly silly location
right next to the existing bridge, but the entry / exit of the tunnels
at both ends are on land reclaimed from the sea, so as sea levels rise
will simply be flooded again.

There's the same issue with the silly underground railway they are
planning to build as well which starts on the same reclaimed land near
the waterfront.

Brains in high places simply don't exist. :-\


The only solution our brilliant mayor has found is to install some expensive pumps to pump out the water, but as the sea rises, where will he pump it to?

I think this is the area that faces the greatest catastrophe in the world. But unlike the Seychelles, our mayor doesn't even address the issue.
 




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