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on topic, training.
Cross country skiers are doing blocks of 10-12 days with VO2 intervals
almost every day. 10-12 days!!! Seems like a great thing for fattie 'merkin crit masters. http://www.fasterskier.com/training.php?id=671 The Norwegian Women’s Team, coached by Svein Tore Samdal, has taken this new research to the test. The team early this year got support and funding for a so-called high intensity project. This project involved doing high-intensity training as described above in time-blocks throughout the year. In blocks of about 10-12 days the team would do extensive and frequent 4-minute interval sessions, as often as every day (and even twice a day). The intervals were done in different activities, rollerskiing, running, bicycling, or ski-bounding/moose-huffs, to make the training more interesting for the athletes. A team of coaches, doctors and physiologists checked the athletes’ heart rates, lactate and other blood values during these tough training periods. The athletes were able to recover and rest in-between the sessions due to being in a training-camp situation. In late August it was reported that the average VO2max improvement (4 ml/kg/min or about 6% increase) had exceeded improvements that in earlier years had taken the whole fall to reach. It is also observed that the athletes are able to run/ski further over a 4-minute interval, or being able to run/ski as fast as earlier, but with a much lower heart rate. In between these 10 – 12 days long time-blocks, the athletes’ training would be much easier and “normal”. However, due to additional research advice, the team continues to include 2-interval sessions per week to maintain their higher max VO2. |
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"gym gravity" wrote in message ... Cross country skiers are doing blocks of 10-12 days with VO2 intervals almost every day. 10-12 days!!! Seems like a great thing for fattie 'merkin crit masters. This type of training for xc country skiing really stresses the cardiovascular system but not so much the muscular and central nervous system, so recovery would tend to be better than with similar intervals and duration while cycling. -WG |
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"gym gravity" wrote in message ... Cross country skiers are doing blocks of 10-12 days with VO2 intervals almost every day. 10-12 days!!! Seems like a great thing for fattie 'merkin crit masters. This type of training for xc country skiing really stresses the cardiovascular system but not so much the muscular and central nervous system, so recovery would tend to be better than with similar intervals and duration while cycling. -WG |
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Warren wrote:
"gym gravity" wrote in message ... Cross country skiers are doing blocks of 10-12 days with VO2 intervals almost every day. 10-12 days!!! Seems like a great thing for fattie 'merkin crit masters. This type of training for xc country skiing really stresses the cardiovascular system but not so much the muscular and central nervous system, so recovery would tend to be better than with similar intervals and duration while cycling. -WG so what are you saying, that it wouldn't work for cyclists? Why? Why doesn't this type of training stress the muscular system and CNS and why would it be different with cycling? I'd argue that XC skiing requires more skill than a pedal stroke does. |
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Warren wrote:
"gym gravity" wrote in message ... Cross country skiers are doing blocks of 10-12 days with VO2 intervals almost every day. 10-12 days!!! Seems like a great thing for fattie 'merkin crit masters. This type of training for xc country skiing really stresses the cardiovascular system but not so much the muscular and central nervous system, so recovery would tend to be better than with similar intervals and duration while cycling. -WG so what are you saying, that it wouldn't work for cyclists? Why? Why doesn't this type of training stress the muscular system and CNS and why would it be different with cycling? I'd argue that XC skiing requires more skill than a pedal stroke does. |
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"gym gravity" wrote ...
Cross country skiers are doing blocks of 10-12 days with VO2 intervals almost every day. 10-12 days!!! Seems like a great thing for fattie 'merkin crit masters. No word on the length of the "in between" periods. If fitness increases during rest, I'd expect to see specifics on how long the in between periods are. Thanks for that link though. JF |
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"gym gravity" wrote ...
Cross country skiers are doing blocks of 10-12 days with VO2 intervals almost every day. 10-12 days!!! Seems like a great thing for fattie 'merkin crit masters. No word on the length of the "in between" periods. If fitness increases during rest, I'd expect to see specifics on how long the in between periods are. Thanks for that link though. JF |
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"gym gravity" wrote in message ... Warren wrote: "gym gravity" wrote in message ... Cross country skiers are doing blocks of 10-12 days with VO2 intervals almost every day. 10-12 days!!! Seems like a great thing for fattie 'merkin crit masters. This type of training for xc country skiing really stresses the cardiovascular system but not so much the muscular and central nervous system, so recovery would tend to be better than with similar intervals and duration while cycling. -WG so what are you saying, that it wouldn't work for cyclists? Why? I think it would be harder for cyclists to recover enough from day to day because in XC skiing you are often limited by how much oxygen you can process and dealing with higher total amounts of lactate. Keep in mind you're using many more muscle groups while skiing. While skiing you have to slow down, or rest to catch your breath as it were, before continuing, and this often happens before your muscles are even close to exhausted. Since this training is limited mostly by oxygen requirements your muscles and CNS won't be stressed as much as if you were doing VO2max training on a bike day after day. In my own experience with xc ski training and racing I would often go as hard as possible one day and be nearly completely recovered by the next day. When I go that hard on the bike it takes at least one more day than that to recover. In my own training this year leading up to track Nat's and track Worlds I did VO2max-type training during 4 or 5 sessions per week, but the key is that I did most of it at high rpm's to minimize, or reduce the stress on my muscles so that I could do this training more frequently. Why doesn't this type of training stress the muscular system and CNS It does, just not as much as in cycling, assuming you're not doing a large proportion of the xc training while going uphill. I think the lower frequency of repetitions (speed of the movements) is a reason why XC ski training would not stress the CNS as much as doing something like sprints or other very high intensity on the bike. The CNS thing is small compared to the muscular stress. I'd argue that XC skiing requires more skill than a pedal stroke does. Okay, but I don't see what "skill" has to do with recovery from training. Maybe JT has some ideas about this since he has also done lots of xc skiing. -WG |
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"gym gravity" wrote in message ... Warren wrote: "gym gravity" wrote in message ... Cross country skiers are doing blocks of 10-12 days with VO2 intervals almost every day. 10-12 days!!! Seems like a great thing for fattie 'merkin crit masters. This type of training for xc country skiing really stresses the cardiovascular system but not so much the muscular and central nervous system, so recovery would tend to be better than with similar intervals and duration while cycling. -WG so what are you saying, that it wouldn't work for cyclists? Why? I think it would be harder for cyclists to recover enough from day to day because in XC skiing you are often limited by how much oxygen you can process and dealing with higher total amounts of lactate. Keep in mind you're using many more muscle groups while skiing. While skiing you have to slow down, or rest to catch your breath as it were, before continuing, and this often happens before your muscles are even close to exhausted. Since this training is limited mostly by oxygen requirements your muscles and CNS won't be stressed as much as if you were doing VO2max training on a bike day after day. In my own experience with xc ski training and racing I would often go as hard as possible one day and be nearly completely recovered by the next day. When I go that hard on the bike it takes at least one more day than that to recover. In my own training this year leading up to track Nat's and track Worlds I did VO2max-type training during 4 or 5 sessions per week, but the key is that I did most of it at high rpm's to minimize, or reduce the stress on my muscles so that I could do this training more frequently. Why doesn't this type of training stress the muscular system and CNS It does, just not as much as in cycling, assuming you're not doing a large proportion of the xc training while going uphill. I think the lower frequency of repetitions (speed of the movements) is a reason why XC ski training would not stress the CNS as much as doing something like sprints or other very high intensity on the bike. The CNS thing is small compared to the muscular stress. I'd argue that XC skiing requires more skill than a pedal stroke does. Okay, but I don't see what "skill" has to do with recovery from training. Maybe JT has some ideas about this since he has also done lots of xc skiing. -WG |
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Warren wrote:
"gym gravity" wrote in message ... Warren wrote: "gym gravity" wrote in message ... Cross country skiers are doing blocks of 10-12 days with VO2 intervals almost every day. 10-12 days!!! Seems like a great thing for fattie 'merkin crit masters. This type of training for xc country skiing really stresses the cardiovascular system but not so much the muscular and central nervous system, so recovery would tend to be better than with similar intervals and duration while cycling. -WG so what are you saying, that it wouldn't work for cyclists? Why? I think it would be harder for cyclists to recover enough from day to day because in XC skiing you are often limited by how much oxygen you can process and dealing with higher total amounts of lactate. Keep in mind you're using many more muscle groups while skiing. While skiing you have to slow down, or rest to catch your breath as it were, before continuing, and this often happens before your muscles are even close to exhausted. Since this training is limited mostly by oxygen requirements your muscles and CNS won't be stressed as much as if you were doing VO2max training on a bike day after day. In my own experience with xc ski training and racing I would often go as hard as possible one day and be nearly completely recovered by the next day. When I go that hard on the bike it takes at least one more day than that to recover. In my own training this year leading up to track Nat's and track Worlds I did VO2max-type training during 4 or 5 sessions per week, but the key is that I did most of it at high rpm's to minimize, or reduce the stress on my muscles so that I could do this training more frequently. Why doesn't this type of training stress the muscular system and CNS It does, just not as much as in cycling, assuming you're not doing a large proportion of the xc training while going uphill. I think the lower frequency of repetitions (speed of the movements) is a reason why XC ski training would not stress the CNS as much as doing something like sprints or other very high intensity on the bike. The CNS thing is small compared to the muscular stress. I'd argue that XC skiing requires more skill than a pedal stroke does. Okay, but I don't see what "skill" has to do with recovery from training. Maybe JT has some ideas about this since he has also done lots of xc skiing. -WG Thanks, the thing I was saying about skill was in regard to CNS. |
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