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Near Miss of the Day 440: Skip lorry driver undertakes cyclist



 
 
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Old July 13th 20, 10:36 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Today's video in our Near Miss of the Day series shows a cyclist riding in the correct lane to go straight ahead - only for a skip driver, who also intends to go in the same direction, moving into the left-turn lane to undertake him, and making a dangerous close pass at the same time; the footage is about 2 minutes into the video above.

It was filmed by road.cc reader Peter, who also supplied rear-view footage (skip to 2 minutes 10 seconds), and who told us: “I'd been going around Clifton Downs and was aiming to follow the A4018 down towards Bristol (the hill is known by another name, but maybe that name should fall out of use).

“Usually when I go along there, I use the left lane though that is for left-turning traffic down Clay Pit Rd (the trick is to take primary before the turn to avoid left-turning traffic).

“This time, I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically keeping to the white line to allow overtakes (for some reason I really struggle to cycle that section - could be the head-wind or that it's towards the end of a ride or whatever other excuses I can think of).

“This left me feeling a bit precarious but I wasn't getting grief from drivers so I went with it. What I didn't expect was a skip-carrying lorry to undertake me using the left-turn lane and then move back into the straight ahead lane.

“Of course, the lorry driver didn't make any difference to his journey time as I filtered past him further down the hill (that must not be named).

“Meanwhile, a pedestrian was crossing right in front of the lorry, so I used my brakes as soon as I saw her, but she saw me and stepped back so I carried on in front of her. It's worth remembering to take care crossing in front of big vehicles and similarly whilst filtering past them,” he added.

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...-driver-275377
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Old July 13th 20, 03:47 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Near Miss of the Day 440: Skip lorry driver undertakes cyclist

On Monday, 13 July 2020 10:36:06 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE:
Today's video in our Near Miss of the Day series shows a cyclist riding in the correct lane to go straight ahead - only for a skip driver, who also intends to go in the same direction, moving into the left-turn lane to undertake him, and making a dangerous close pass at the same time; the footage is about 2 minutes into the video above.

It was filmed by road.cc reader Peter, who also supplied rear-view footage (skip to 2 minutes 10 seconds), and who told us: “I'd been going around Clifton Downs and was aiming to follow the A4018 down towards Bristol (the hill is known by another name, but maybe that name should fall out of use).

“Usually when I go along there, I use the left lane though that is for left-turning traffic down Clay Pit Rd (the trick is to take primary before the turn to avoid left-turning traffic).

“This time, I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically keeping to the white line to allow overtakes (for some reason I really struggle to cycle that section - could be the head-wind or that it's towards the end of a ride or whatever other excuses I can think of).

“This left me feeling a bit precarious but I wasn't getting grief from drivers so I went with it. What I didn't expect was a skip-carrying lorry to undertake me using the left-turn lane and then move back into the straight ahead lane.

“Of course, the lorry driver didn't make any difference to his journey time as I filtered past him further down the hill (that must not be named).

“Meanwhile, a pedestrian was crossing right in front of the lorry, so I used my brakes as soon as I saw her, but she saw me and stepped back so I carried on in front of her. It's worth remembering to take care crossing in front of big vehicles and similarly whilst filtering past them,” he added.

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...-driver-275377


I think I would have used the left lane. Apart from that there was nothing really wrong with the Lorryists actions.
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Old July 13th 20, 05:18 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Near Miss of the Day 440: Skip lorry driver undertakes cyclist

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:47:16 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 13 July 2020 10:36:06 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE:
Today's video in our Near Miss of the Day series shows a cyclist riding in the correct lane to go straight ahead - only for a skip driver, who also intends to go in the same direction, moving into the left-turn lane to undertake him, and making a dangerous close pass at the same time; the footage is about 2 minutes into the video above.

It was filmed by road.cc reader Peter, who also supplied rear-view footage (skip to 2 minutes 10 seconds), and who told us: “I'd been going around Clifton Downs and was aiming to follow the A4018 down towards Bristol (the hill is known by another name, but maybe that name should fall out of use).

“Usually when I go along there, I use the left lane though that is for left-turning traffic down Clay Pit Rd (the trick is to take primary before the turn to avoid left-turning traffic).

“This time, I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically keeping to the white line to allow overtakes (for some reason I really struggle to cycle that section - could be the head-wind or that it's towards the end of a ride or whatever other excuses I can think of).

“This left me feeling a bit precarious but I wasn't getting grief from drivers so I went with it. What I didn't expect was a skip-carrying lorry to undertake me using the left-turn lane and then move back into the straight ahead lane.

“Of course, the lorry driver didn't make any difference to his journey time as I filtered past him further down the hill (that must not be named).

“Meanwhile, a pedestrian was crossing right in front of the lorry, so I used my brakes as soon as I saw her, but she saw me and stepped back so I carried on in front of her. It's worth remembering to take care crossing in front of big vehicles and similarly whilst filtering past them,” he added.

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...-driver-275377


I think I would have used the left lane. Apart from that there was nothing really wrong with the Lorryists actions.


Apart from breaking this HC rule.

Rule 268 of the Highway Code states – do not overtake on the left or //move// to a lane on your left to overtake.
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Old July 13th 20, 08:36 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Near Miss of the Day 440: Skip lorry driver undertakes cyclist

On Monday, 13 July 2020 17:18:45 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:47:16 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 13 July 2020 10:36:06 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE:
Today's video in our Near Miss of the Day series shows a cyclist riding in the correct lane to go straight ahead - only for a skip driver, who also intends to go in the same direction, moving into the left-turn lane to undertake him, and making a dangerous close pass at the same time; the footage is about 2 minutes into the video above.

It was filmed by road.cc reader Peter, who also supplied rear-view footage (skip to 2 minutes 10 seconds), and who told us: “I'd been going around Clifton Downs and was aiming to follow the A4018 down towards Bristol (the hill is known by another name, but maybe that name should fall out of use).

“Usually when I go along there, I use the left lane though that is for left-turning traffic down Clay Pit Rd (the trick is to take primary before the turn to avoid left-turning traffic).

“This time, I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically keeping to the white line to allow overtakes (for some reason I really struggle to cycle that section - could be the head-wind or that it's towards the end of a ride or whatever other excuses I can think of).

“This left me feeling a bit precarious but I wasn't getting grief from drivers so I went with it. What I didn't expect was a skip-carrying lorry to undertake me using the left-turn lane and then move back into the straight ahead lane.

“Of course, the lorry driver didn't make any difference to his journey time as I filtered past him further down the hill (that must not be named).

“Meanwhile, a pedestrian was crossing right in front of the lorry, so I used my brakes as soon as I saw her, but she saw me and stepped back so I carried on in front of her. It's worth remembering to take care crossing in front of big vehicles and similarly whilst filtering past them,” he added.

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...-driver-275377


I think I would have used the left lane. Apart from that there was nothing really wrong with the Lorryists actions.


Apart from breaking this HC rule.

Rule 268 of the Highway Code states – do not overtake on the left or //move// to a lane on your left to overtake.


What if the lorryist was using the left lane to turn left? I don't see how the fact that the lorryist changed lanes after safely passing the cyclist makes a difference.
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Old July 13th 20, 08:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Near Miss of the Day 440: Skip lorry driver undertakes cyclist

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 8:36:31 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Apart from breaking this HC rule.

Rule 268 of the Highway Code states – do not overtake on the left or //move// to a lane on your left to overtake.


What if the lorryist was using the left lane to turn left? I don't see how the fact that the lorryist changed lanes after safely passing the cyclist makes a difference.


He went straight on though.

QUOTE:
What I didn't expect was a skip-carrying lorry to undertake me using the left-turn lane and then move back into the straight ahead lane.

“Of course, the lorry driver didn't make any difference to his journey time as I filtered past him further down the hill.

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Old July 14th 20, 12:44 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Near Miss of the Day 440: Skip lorry driver undertakes cyclist

On 13/07/2020 17:18, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:47:16 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 13 July 2020 10:36:06 UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE:
Today's video in our Near Miss of the Day series shows a cyclist riding in the correct lane to go straight ahead - only for a skip driver, who also intends to go in the same direction, moving into the left-turn lane to undertake him, and making a dangerous close pass at the same time; the footage is about 2 minutes into the video above.

It was filmed by road.cc reader Peter, who also supplied rear-view footage (skip to 2 minutes 10 seconds), and who told us: “I'd been going around Clifton Downs and was aiming to follow the A4018 down towards Bristol (the hill is known by another name, but maybe that name should fall out of use).

“Usually when I go along there, I use the left lane though that is for left-turning traffic down Clay Pit Rd (the trick is to take primary before the turn to avoid left-turning traffic).

“This time, I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically keeping to the white line to allow overtakes (for some reason I really struggle to cycle that section - could be the head-wind or that it's towards the end of a ride or whatever other excuses I can think of).

“This left me feeling a bit precarious but I wasn't getting grief from drivers so I went with it. What I didn't expect was a skip-carrying lorry to undertake me using the left-turn lane and then move back into the straight ahead lane.

“Of course, the lorry driver didn't make any difference to his journey time as I filtered past him further down the hill (that must not be named).

“Meanwhile, a pedestrian was crossing right in front of the lorry, so I used my brakes as soon as I saw her, but she saw me and stepped back so I carried on in front of her. It's worth remembering to take care crossing in front of big vehicles and similarly whilst filtering past them,” he added.

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...-driver-275377


I think I would have used the left lane. Apart from that there was nothing really wrong with the Lorryists actions.


Apart from breaking this HC rule.

Rule 268 of the Highway Code states – do not overtake on the left or //move// to a lane on your left to overtake.


It isn't the law in Great Britain.

It is (as I understand it) in Northern Ireland.
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Old July 14th 20, 12:21 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Near Miss of the Day 440: Skip lorry driver undertakes cyclist

On 14/07/2020 00:44, JNugent wrote:
On 13/07/2020 17:18, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:47:16 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 13 July 2020 10:36:06 UTC+1, Simon Mason* wrote:
QUOTE:
Today's video in our Near Miss of the Day series shows a cyclist
riding in the correct lane to go straight ahead - only for a skip
driver, who also intends to go in the same direction, moving into
the left-turn lane to undertake him, and making a dangerous close
pass at the same time; the footage is about 2 minutes into the video
above.

It was filmed by road.cc reader Peter, who also supplied rear-view
footage (skip to 2 minutes 10 seconds), and who told us: “I'd been
going around Clifton Downs and was aiming to follow the A4018 down
towards Bristol (the hill is known by another name, but maybe that
name should fall out of use).

“Usually when I go along there, I use the left lane though that is
for left-turning traffic down Clay Pit Rd (the trick is to take
primary before the turn to avoid left-turning traffic).

“This time, I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was
basically keeping to the white line to allow overtakes (for some
reason I really struggle to cycle that section - could be the
head-wind or that it's towards the end of a ride or whatever other
excuses I can think of).

“This left me feeling a bit precarious but I wasn't getting grief
from drivers so I went with it. What I didn't expect was a
skip-carrying lorry to undertake me using the left-turn lane and
then move back into the straight ahead lane.

“Of course, the lorry driver didn't make any difference to his
journey time as I filtered past him further down the hill (that must
not be named).

“Meanwhile, a pedestrian was crossing right in front of the lorry,
so I used my brakes as soon as I saw her, but she saw me and stepped
back so I carried on in front of her. It's worth remembering to take
care crossing in front of big vehicles and similarly whilst
filtering past them,” he added.

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...-driver-275377


I think I would have used the left lane. Apart from that there was
nothing really wrong with the Lorryists actions.


Apart from breaking this HC rule.

Rule 268 of the Highway Code states – do not overtake on the left or
//move// to a lane on your left to overtake.


It isn't the law in Great Britain.

It is (as I understand it) in Northern Ireland.


Rule 268 refers to motorways, so why was the cyclist on a motorway?

There is no offence in the UK of 'undertaking'

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Old July 14th 20, 12:44 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Near Miss of the Day 440: Skip lorry driver undertakes cyclist

On 13/07/2020 10:36, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE:
Today's video in our Near Miss of the Day series shows a cyclist riding in the correct lane to go straight ahead - only for a skip driver, who also intends to go in the same direction, moving into the left-turn lane to undertake him, and making a dangerous close pass at the same time; the footage is about 2 minutes into the video above.

It was filmed by road.cc reader Peter, who also supplied rear-view footage (skip to 2 minutes 10 seconds), and who told us: “I'd been going around Clifton Downs and was aiming to follow the A4018 down towards Bristol (the hill is known by another name, but maybe that name should fall out of use).

“Usually when I go along there, I use the left lane though that is for left-turning traffic down Clay Pit Rd (the trick is to take primary before the turn to avoid left-turning traffic).

“This time, I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically keeping to the white line to allow overtakes (for some reason I really struggle to cycle that section - could be the head-wind or that it's towards the end of a ride or whatever other excuses I can think of).

“This left me feeling a bit precarious but I wasn't getting grief from drivers so I went with it. What I didn't expect was a skip-carrying lorry to undertake me using the left-turn lane and then move back into the straight ahead lane.

“Of course, the lorry driver didn't make any difference to his journey time as I filtered past him further down the hill (that must not be named).

“Meanwhile, a pedestrian was crossing right in front of the lorry, so I used my brakes as soon as I saw her, but she saw me and stepped back so I carried on in front of her. It's worth remembering to take care crossing in front of big vehicles and similarly whilst filtering past them,” he added.

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...-driver-275377


This is a genuine question.

Do you have any idea at all why, on a single-carriageway road with two
lanes in one direction (his direction) and one the other way, the
cyclist chooses to cycle along as precisely as possible *on* the white
line separating the two lanes going in his direction?

What was to stop him from being in the centre of the nearside lane and
allowing other road users the use of the offside lane to overtake him
without their having to cross onto the "wrong" side of the road or even
on the nearside?

Surely you can see that his positioning was effectively denying any
overtaking vehicle the use of either of the *two* lanes for that direction?

He claims "I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically
keeping to the white line to allow overtakes", but that is exactly what
he is *preventing*.

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Old July 14th 20, 01:29 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Near Miss of the Day 440: Skip lorry driver undertakes cyclist

On Tuesday, 14 July 2020 00:43:16 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 13/07/2020 10:36, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE:
Today's video in our Near Miss of the Day series shows a cyclist riding in the correct lane to go straight ahead - only for a skip driver, who also intends to go in the same direction, moving into the left-turn lane to undertake him, and making a dangerous close pass at the same time; the footage is about 2 minutes into the video above.

It was filmed by road.cc reader Peter, who also supplied rear-view footage (skip to 2 minutes 10 seconds), and who told us: “I'd been going around Clifton Downs and was aiming to follow the A4018 down towards Bristol (the hill is known by another name, but maybe that name should fall out of use).

“Usually when I go along there, I use the left lane though that is for left-turning traffic down Clay Pit Rd (the trick is to take primary before the turn to avoid left-turning traffic).

“This time, I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically keeping to the white line to allow overtakes (for some reason I really struggle to cycle that section - could be the head-wind or that it's towards the end of a ride or whatever other excuses I can think of).

“This left me feeling a bit precarious but I wasn't getting grief from drivers so I went with it. What I didn't expect was a skip-carrying lorry to undertake me using the left-turn lane and then move back into the straight ahead lane.

“Of course, the lorry driver didn't make any difference to his journey time as I filtered past him further down the hill (that must not be named).

“Meanwhile, a pedestrian was crossing right in front of the lorry, so I used my brakes as soon as I saw her, but she saw me and stepped back so I carried on in front of her. It's worth remembering to take care crossing in front of big vehicles and similarly whilst filtering past them,” he added.

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...-driver-275377


This is a genuine question.

Do you have any idea at all why, on a single-carriageway road with two
lanes in one direction (his direction) and one the other way, the
cyclist chooses to cycle along as precisely as possible *on* the white
line separating the two lanes going in his direction?

What was to stop him from being in the centre of the nearside lane and
allowing other road users the use of the offside lane to overtake him
without their having to cross onto the "wrong" side of the road or even
on the nearside?

Surely you can see that his positioning was effectively denying any
overtaking vehicle the use of either of the *two* lanes for that direction?

He claims "I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically
keeping to the white line to allow overtakes", but that is exactly what
he is *preventing*.


Because the left lane was for left turning traffic, and cyclists are traffic.
The best position for the cyclist would be in the centre of the left lane and to be cautious of traffic turning left from the ahead lane.
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Old July 14th 20, 04:17 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Near Miss of the Day 440: Skip lorry driver undertakes cyclist

On 14/07/2020 01:29, Mike Collins wrote:
On Tuesday, 14 July 2020 00:43:16 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 13/07/2020 10:36, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE:
Today's video in our Near Miss of the Day series shows a cyclist riding in the correct lane to go straight ahead - only for a skip driver, who also intends to go in the same direction, moving into the left-turn lane to undertake him, and making a dangerous close pass at the same time; the footage is about 2 minutes into the video above.

It was filmed by road.cc reader Peter, who also supplied rear-view footage (skip to 2 minutes 10 seconds), and who told us: “I'd been going around Clifton Downs and was aiming to follow the A4018 down towards Bristol (the hill is known by another name, but maybe that name should fall out of use).

“Usually when I go along there, I use the left lane though that is for left-turning traffic down Clay Pit Rd (the trick is to take primary before the turn to avoid left-turning traffic).

“This time, I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically keeping to the white line to allow overtakes (for some reason I really struggle to cycle that section - could be the head-wind or that it's towards the end of a ride or whatever other excuses I can think of).

“This left me feeling a bit precarious but I wasn't getting grief from drivers so I went with it. What I didn't expect was a skip-carrying lorry to undertake me using the left-turn lane and then move back into the straight ahead lane.

“Of course, the lorry driver didn't make any difference to his journey time as I filtered past him further down the hill (that must not be named).

“Meanwhile, a pedestrian was crossing right in front of the lorry, so I used my brakes as soon as I saw her, but she saw me and stepped back so I carried on in front of her. It's worth remembering to take care crossing in front of big vehicles and similarly whilst filtering past them,” he added.

https://road.cc/content/news/near-mi...-driver-275377


This is a genuine question.

Do you have any idea at all why, on a single-carriageway road with two
lanes in one direction (his direction) and one the other way, the
cyclist chooses to cycle along as precisely as possible *on* the white
line separating the two lanes going in his direction?

What was to stop him from being in the centre of the nearside lane and
allowing other road users the use of the offside lane to overtake him
without their having to cross onto the "wrong" side of the road or even
on the nearside?

Surely you can see that his positioning was effectively denying any
overtaking vehicle the use of either of the *two* lanes for that direction?

He claims "I thought I'd use the straight ahead lane and was basically
keeping to the white line to allow overtakes", but that is exactly what
he is *preventing*.


Because the left lane was for left turning traffic, and cyclists are traffic.


The left turn was a long way ahead. It would be perfectly possible for
other road users not to even know there was a left turn ahead and to
perceive just a road with two lanes in the same direction.

The best position for the cyclist would be in the centre of the left lane and to be cautious of traffic turning left from the ahead lane.


 




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