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  #51  
Old November 15th 08, 02:27 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Edward Dolan
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"KingOfTheApes" wrote in message
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On Nov 13, 8:46 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"KingOfTheApes" wrote in message

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OK, I just found a Republican who rides a bike for practical purposes.
"Rara avis" indeed, but well he's bruised but alive to tell his
story...


Originally Posted by cujet
I am convinced bicycling is not safe. I have been riding for years,
mostly to work and for fun. A recent accident broke my left arm into 7
pieces. Surgery put it back together. However, I now have a non union
of the bone in 2 places. I'm 45 years old and bones don't heal as well
at this age. It looks like I will be held together by screws and a
plate. I may never be able to put any load on my left arm.


Accident statistics on bicycling are horrific per mile traveled. In my
case, I achieved a lifetime of about 15,000 miles before a serious
acccident.


Sorry, but bicycling is not the answer, or even part of the answer.


AND, there is no way in he!! I am going to save energy for Obama. I do
it for me.


Chris


See, you just seem to deny my theory that Republicans don't care
enough about anything to ride a bike for practical purposes. But since
you say biking is so dangerous, and neither the Republican Party nor
the Democratic Party is the solution, who's the solution?


Either God or the Revolution, right?


Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to
empress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop
will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it
more rapidly. You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you
up,drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you
loose
to
fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame
of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea
of your own trite, foolish beliefs.


Hey, Dr. Evil, instead of spewing insults you should check yourself to
find your true colors...

(of course, also check your blood pressure)

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Originally Posted by Ka_Jun
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15

***

You fall under the revolution parameters. Neither party will solve the
problem. I think the revolution needs to be left libertarian.

Left libertarians see the need for COOPERATION, and traffic takes a
lot of it. Not too anarchist though as we need the government to set
up cameras to root out the bad drivers, but not to control speed.

Actually I believe in an American autobahn, while having BIKE LANES at
the same time. Is that a contradiction?

Well, it happens in Germany.

You are, at varying times, tedious, boring, earth shatteringly hilarious
in

your idiocy,childish, moronic, pathetic, wretched, disgusting and pitiful.
You
are wholly without any redeeming social graces or value. If God ever decides
to give the planet an enema you'd better run like the wind because anywhere
you stand is a suitable place for The Insertion.

And you probably dress funny, too.


****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota




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  #52  
Old November 15th 08, 02:29 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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"KingOfTheApes" wrote in message
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On Nov 13, 9:06 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article
,
KingOfTheApes writes:

OK, I just found a Republican who rides a bike for practical purposes.
"Rara avis" indeed, but well he's bruised but alive to tell his
story...


Originally Posted by cujet
I am convinced bicycling is not safe. I have been riding for years,
mostly to work and for fun. A recent accident broke my left arm into 7
pieces. Surgery put it back together. However, I now have a non union
of the bone in 2 places. I'm 45 years old and bones don't heal as well
at this age. It looks like I will be held together by screws and a
plate. I may never be able to put any load on my left arm.


I see you're still trying to scare people away from riding.

Accident statistics on bicycling are horrific per mile traveled. In my


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

They are, are they? Have /you/ looked at any real accident statistics
on bicycling? And who the heck is this "cujet" guy, and where did he
post the above?

case, I achieved a lifetime of about 15,000 miles before a serious
acccident.


I wonder what "cujet" did, to fsck up so badly after only
15,000 miles.

Sorry, but bicycling is not the answer, or even part of the answer.


AND, there is no way in he!! I am going to save energy for Obama. I do
it for me.


Chris


***


See, you just seem to deny my theory that Republicans don't care
enough about anything to ride a bike for practical purposes.


I've met a number of folks with Republican leanings here in
r.b.m. I think they're mostly nice people, and I'm mostly an
apolitical, irreligious libertine. In fact, I think most people,
whether with Republican or Democrat, or Conservative or Liberal
leanings are roughly "centerists" with overlapping viewpoints,
maybe with some few contentious outlier opinions on certain
topics that haven't yet led to The End Of Days.

Republicans are not the enemy. Self-purported, self-styled
"revolutionaries" who want to upset the applecart are.
Of whom does that description remind you?

But since
you say biking is so dangerous, and neither the Republican Party nor
the Democratic Party is the solution, who's the solution?


Solution to /what/ -- your disinformation about the supposed
"dangerousness" of cycling? The solution to that is
pretty obvious, but you're still here.


OK, he fell down himself, but I've felt intimidated enough to make me
lose my balance. Republicans just ignore how bad our roads are since
they mostly drive SUVs, and then try to make Iraq safe.

Of course, the Democrats also ignore the issue if only they talk about
some of the problems here...

Originally Posted by Ebbtide
"I'd venture to guess that cyclists break down about the same as the
national party affiliation. Perhaps a little more left, but not
much."

Let's see Red is SUV town, hostile to bikes; Blue, friendly to public
transportation and bicycles. But the Democratic Party Machine doesn't
deliver the goods either.

Are all the Democratic party officials driving SUVs?

You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid,
nasty

and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus.
Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are
unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that
reality forgot.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



  #53  
Old November 15th 08, 02:34 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Dane Buson
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In rec.bicycles.misc Bill Sornson wrote:
Dane Buson wrote:
In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Keats wrote:
In article KingOfTheApes writes:

But since
you say biking is so dangerous, and neither the Republican Party nor
the Democratic Party is the solution, who's the solution?

Solution to /what/ -- your disinformation about the supposed
"dangerousness" of cycling? The solution to that is
pretty obvious, but you're still here.


I will admit that sometimes truly I long for the day where you can
deliver a punch to the face over TCP/IP. It would purely make for a
much politer interblag.


You want to punch someone in the face over what's quoted above?

Wow.


Nah, it's more of a generalized desire due to BananaBoy's (or whatever nym
he's using this week) general idiocy. Really, I'm not all bent out of
shape, I wish he'd just go away.

--
Dane Buson -
"Ladies, leave your clothes here and spend the afternoon
having a good time."
-Sign seen in a Rome laundry
  #54  
Old November 15th 08, 02:35 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling
Dane Buson
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In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Sherman wrote:
Dane Buson wrote:
In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Keats wrote:
In article KingOfTheApes writes:

But since
you say biking is so dangerous, and neither the Republican Party nor
the Democratic Party is the solution, who's the solution?
Solution to /what/ -- your disinformation about the supposed
"dangerousness" of cycling? The solution to that is
pretty obvious, but you're still here.


I will admit that sometimes truly I long for the day where you can
deliver a punch to the face over TCP/IP. It would purely make for a
much politer interblag.

Do you want to punch Commandante Monkey Poop or Tom Keats?


Well, certainly not Tom.

--
Dane Buson -
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to
see it tried on him personally.
-- Abraham Lincoln
  #55  
Old November 15th 08, 02:49 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling
Tom Sherman[_2_]
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Dane Buson wrote:
In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Sherman wrote:
Dane Buson wrote:
In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Keats wrote:
In article KingOfTheApes writes:

But since
you say biking is so dangerous, and neither the Republican Party nor
the Democratic Party is the solution, who's the solution?
Solution to /what/ -- your disinformation about the supposed
"dangerousness" of cycling? The solution to that is
pretty obvious, but you're still here.
I will admit that sometimes truly I long for the day where you can
deliver a punch to the face over TCP/IP. It would purely make for a
much politer interblag.

Do you want to punch Commandante Monkey Poop or Tom Keats?


Well, certainly not Tom.

I am relieved to have my expectation confirmed.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.
  #56  
Old November 15th 08, 04:00 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Tom Keats
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In article ,
Dane Buson writes:
In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Keats wrote:
In article KingOfTheApes writes:

But since
you say biking is so dangerous, and neither the Republican Party nor
the Democratic Party is the solution, who's the solution?


Solution to /what/ -- your disinformation about the supposed
"dangerousness" of cycling? The solution to that is
pretty obvious, but you're still here.


I will admit that sometimes truly I long for the day where you can
deliver a punch to the face over TCP/IP. It would purely make for a
much politer interblag.


I allow I may be encouraging Sgt Simian, by responding
to, and rebutting his inanities.

But I'm certain that ignoring him would actually
encourage him all the more, as that would let
his destructive fearmongering go unchallenged.
To further explain my point:

most regular perusers of these various x-posted
newsgroups recognize his hogwash for what it is.

But my concern is about incipient new ridership who
may be affected to any degree. The very subject
line of this thread was obviously designed to
dissuade people who may be considering bicycling.
Then he throws in unsubstantiated, unqualified,
unquantified, ostensibly hearsay statements like:
"Accident statistics on bicycling are horrific per
mile traveled."

Great way to promote bicycling, eh?

Impugning people with certain /federal/
political leanings, for some alleged sorry
state of affairs is just a feint to divert
attention, so his planted seeds of Fear,
Uncertainty & Doubt (about the safety of
bicycling) might quietly and subtly sprout in
the minds of folks thinking about taking up
the bicycling avocation.
The ol' hit-'n-run propaganda technique.

His seeds are weeds in a garden. We can't
ignore weeds in a garden. Not for very long,
anyway.

And to anybody in the world who is considering
[re]joining the ranks of bicyclists: there are
plenty of resources available on-line, in hard
copy, at your local cycling clubs and among your
cycling compatriots & peers, from which to learn
to ride safely and enjoyably. If you see people
already riding safely and enjoyably in your own
parts of the world, that should be proof enough
that BananaCreamBoy is working against you.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
  #57  
Old November 15th 08, 04:03 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling
Tom Keats
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In article ,
Tom Sherman writes:
Dane Buson wrote:
In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Sherman wrote:
Dane Buson wrote:
In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Keats wrote:
In article KingOfTheApes writes:

But since
you say biking is so dangerous, and neither the Republican Party nor
the Democratic Party is the solution, who's the solution?
Solution to /what/ -- your disinformation about the supposed
"dangerousness" of cycling? The solution to that is
pretty obvious, but you're still here.
I will admit that sometimes truly I long for the day where you can
deliver a punch to the face over TCP/IP. It would purely make for a
much politer interblag.

Do you want to punch Commandante Monkey Poop or Tom Keats?


Well, certainly not Tom.

I am relieved to have my expectation confirmed.


/You're/ relieved!?

I just dodged a punch in the face!

( Hi, Dane :-) :-) )


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
  #58  
Old November 15th 08, 07:45 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Nov 14, 8:00 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:

But my concern is about incipient new ridership who
may be affected to any degree. The very subject
line of this thread was obviously designed to
dissuade people who may be considering bicycling.
Then he throws in unsubstantiated, unqualified,
unquantified, ostensibly hearsay statements like:
"Accident statistics on bicycling are horrific per
mile traveled."

Great way to promote bicycling, eh?

....

Well horrific is a subjective term but it is true that bicycling has
per-mile injury rates far higher than driving. We shouldn't be too
surprised by that. Most of the injuries to bicyclists (80%) are
caused by falling off, wiping out, things motorists don't have to
worry about. And then, when a car and bike smash together, only the
bicyclist gets hurt. Bicycling may be a little more deadly than
driving but neither is remotely likely to result in fatality.
Motorcyclists have far worse fatality rates than anyone but better
injury rates than bicyclists. Again it is easy to predict this stuff
that is found in the numbers.

Bicycling has benefits that can't be gained any other way. That's the
difference that we need to get across to beginners or potential new
riders, and what is often forgotten when people start talking about
the danger of riding. The benefits dwarf the dangers.

People who are safety obsessed about bicycling are probably barking up
the wrong tree. There is no safety in traffic. The only cure is to not
leave the house. People who are too paranoid to ride a bike on the
street get in a car and go 80mph on the highway without a second
thought. That's simply irrational behavior. But bicycling has its
dangers and they should be acknowledged. Here in particular, the truth
shall set us free. The truth is that bicycling is the superior mode,
providing superior health benefits and other benefits as well as
superlatively efficient transportation, despite a relatively high
injury rate.

And I think it's okay to acknowledge that, because of the unique
challenges of riding a bike, bicycling may not be for everybody. Like
el Banana for instance.
  #59  
Old November 15th 08, 09:28 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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wrote in message
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On Nov 14, 8:00 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:

But my concern is about incipient new ridership who
may be affected to any degree. The very subject
line of this thread was obviously designed to
dissuade people who may be considering bicycling.
Then he throws in unsubstantiated, unqualified,
unquantified, ostensibly hearsay statements like:
"Accident statistics on bicycling are horrific per
mile traveled."

Great way to promote bicycling, eh?

...

Well horrific is a subjective term but it is true that bicycling has
per-mile injury rates far higher than driving. We shouldn't be too
surprised by that. Most of the injuries to bicyclists (80%) are
caused by falling off, wiping out, things motorists don't have to
worry about. And then, when a car and bike smash together, only the
bicyclist gets hurt. Bicycling may be a little more deadly than
driving but neither is remotely likely to result in fatality.
Motorcyclists have far worse fatality rates than anyone but better
injury rates than bicyclists. Again it is easy to predict this stuff
that is found in the numbers.

Bicycling has benefits that can't be gained any other way. That's the
difference that we need to get across to beginners or potential new
riders, and what is often forgotten when people start talking about
the danger of riding. The benefits dwarf the dangers.

People who are safety obsessed about bicycling are probably barking up
the wrong tree. There is no safety in traffic. The only cure is to not
leave the house. People who are too paranoid to ride a bike on the
street get in a car and go 80mph on the highway without a second
thought. That's simply irrational behavior. But bicycling has its
dangers and they should be acknowledged. Here in particular, the truth
shall set us free. The truth is that bicycling is the superior mode,
providing superior health benefits and other benefits as well as
superlatively efficient transportation, despite a relatively high
injury rate.

And I think it's okay to acknowledge that, because of the unique
challenges of riding a bike, bicycling may not be for everybody. Like
el Banana for instance.


Many residential streets are safe for cycling but some aren't. Same goes for
roads both rural and urban. High speed highways with no shoulders are never
safe for cyclists. Bike lanes are not as safe as some think. Bike paths are
the safest provided they do not become too crowded. Ergo, we should all work
for bike paths as much as possible.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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Old November 15th 08, 04:44 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
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On Nov 14, 8:34 pm, Dane Buson wrote:
In rec.bicycles.misc Bill Sornson wrote:





Dane Buson wrote:
In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Keats wrote:
In article KingOfTheApes writes:


But since
you say biking is so dangerous, and neither the Republican Party nor
the Democratic Party is the solution, who's the solution?


Solution to /what/ -- your disinformation about the supposed
"dangerousness" of cycling? The solution to that is
pretty obvious, but you're still here.


I will admit that sometimes truly I long for the day where you can
deliver a punch to the face over TCP/IP. It would purely make for a
much politer interblag.


You want to punch someone in the face over what's quoted above?


Wow.


Nah, it's more of a generalized desire due to BananaBoy's (or whatever nym
he's using this week) general idiocy. Really, I'm not all bent out of
shape, I wish he'd just go away.


The Internet was created so smart and civilized behavior prevailed in
the jungle. But there still some alpha male apes that relapse to
primitive behavior. Usually cured with a banana.
 




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