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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
On Nov 14, 10:00*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article , * * * * Dane Buson writes: In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Keats wrote: In article KingOfTheApes writes: But since you say biking is so dangerous, and neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party is the solution, who's the solution? Solution to /what/ -- your disinformation about the supposed "dangerousness" of cycling? *The solution to that is pretty obvious, but you're still here. I will admit that sometimes truly I long for the day where you can deliver a punch to the face over TCP/IP. *It would purely make for a much politer interblag. I allow I may be encouraging Sgt Simian, by responding to, and rebutting his inanities. But I'm certain that ignoring him would actually encourage him all the more, as that would let his destructive fearmongering go unchallenged. To further explain my point: most regular perusers of these various x-posted newsgroups recognize his hogwash for what it is. But my concern is about incipient new ridership who may be affected to any degree. *The very subject line of this thread was obviously designed to dissuade people who may be considering bicycling. Then he throws in unsubstantiated, unqualified, unquantified, ostensibly hearsay statements like: "Accident statistics on bicycling are horrific per mile traveled." Great way to promote bicycling, eh? Impugning people with certain /federal/ political leanings, for some alleged sorry state of affairs is just a feint to divert attention, so his planted seeds of Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt (about the safety of bicycling) might quietly and subtly sprout in the minds of folks thinking about taking up the bicycling avocation. The ol' hit-'n-run propaganda technique. His seeds are weeds in a garden. *We can't ignore weeds in a garden. *Not for very long, anyway. There's no garden. There's simply a jungle on American roads, and possibly in Canada. NO LANE DISCIPLINE, NO LAWS AGAINST CELL PHONES, NO RESPECT FOR CYCLISTS. Ride at your own risk, and hope that if you are hit, it doesn't become another HIT AND RUN, something very common around here. And to anybody in the world who is considering [re]joining the ranks of bicyclists: there are plenty of resources available on-line, in hard copy, at your local cycling clubs and among your cycling compatriots & peers, from which to learn to ride safely and enjoyably. *If you see people already riding safely and enjoyably in your own parts of the world, that should be proof enough that BananaCreamBoy is working against you. cheers, * * * * Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. Yeah, you sure sound like a very unsafe person. |
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TAME TRAFFIC AND/OR BUILD BIKE FACILITIES
On Nov 15, 1:45*am, wrote:
On Nov 14, 8:00 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote: But my concern is about incipient new ridership who may be affected to any degree. *The very subject line of this thread was obviously designed to dissuade people who may be considering bicycling. Then he throws in unsubstantiated, unqualified, unquantified, ostensibly hearsay statements like: "Accident statistics on bicycling are horrific per mile traveled." Great way to promote bicycling, eh? ... Well horrific is a subjective term but it is true that bicycling has per-mile injury rates far higher than driving. We shouldn't be too surprised by that. Most of the injuries to bicyclists (80%) are caused by falling off, wiping out, things motorists don't have to worry about. And then, when a car and bike smash together, only the bicyclist gets hurt. Bicycling may be a little more deadly than driving but neither is remotely likely to result in fatality. Motorcyclists have far worse fatality rates than anyone but better injury rates than bicyclists. Again it is easy to predict this stuff that is found in the numbers. Bicycling has benefits that can't be gained any other way. That's the difference that we need to get across to beginners or potential new riders, and what is often forgotten when people start talking about the danger of riding. The benefits dwarf the dangers. People who are safety obsessed about bicycling are probably barking up the wrong tree. There is no safety in traffic. The only cure is to not leave the house. People who are too paranoid to ride a bike on the street get in a car and go 80mph on the highway without a second thought. That's simply irrational behavior. But bicycling has its dangers and they should be acknowledged. Here in particular, the truth shall set us free. The truth is that bicycling is the superior mode, providing superior health benefits and other benefits as well as superlatively efficient transportation, despite a relatively high injury rate. And I think it's okay to acknowledge that, because of the unique challenges of riding a bike, bicycling may not be for everybody. Like el Banana for instance. Neither for 99% of Americans who do NOT dare ride on the road. First you have to TAME TRAFFIC AND/OR BUILD BIKE FACILITIES. Did I say that before? The other day I went down this very dangerous causeways where I've had so many incidents before, and for the first time I obeyed the law... and walked my bike across bridge. It took me over 5 min. of walking and a lot of care not miss my step on a sidewalk that's only 2 1/2' wide. Yeah, someone has determined that this bridge in not rideable, but I'm sure he hasn't walked it either. He probably forgot that a bicycle IS a vehicle in Florida. I felt like a piece of trash, humiliated and mad. So I decided to ride it back against all laws, including the law of the jungle, which is the most prevalent around here. So it is incidents like this that keep me coming back to the Internet, and making a lot of noise. Well, it's not chaotic noise, but the clear cry of "lion!" Here's a video of how the lions can be fought... BATTLE AT KRUGER (THE PERFECT METAPHOR) *WITHOUT SOLIDARITY WE ARE LUNCH!!!* http://mybignoise.blogspot.com/2007/...of-jungle.html |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
On Nov 15, 3:28*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Nov 14, 8:00 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote: But my concern is about incipient new ridership who may be affected to any degree. *The very subject line of this thread was obviously designed to dissuade people who may be considering bicycling. Then he throws in unsubstantiated, unqualified, unquantified, ostensibly hearsay statements like: "Accident statistics on bicycling are horrific per mile traveled." Great way to promote bicycling, eh? ... Well horrific is a subjective term but it is true that bicycling has per-mile injury rates far higher than driving. We shouldn't be too surprised by that. Most of the injuries to bicyclists (80%) are caused by falling off, wiping out, things motorists don't have to worry about. And then, when a car and bike smash together, only the bicyclist gets hurt. Bicycling may be a little more deadly than driving but neither is remotely likely to result in fatality. Motorcyclists have far worse fatality rates than anyone but better injury rates than bicyclists. Again it is easy to predict this stuff that is found in the numbers. Bicycling has benefits that can't be gained any other way. That's the difference that we need to get across to beginners or potential new riders, and what is often forgotten when people start talking about the danger of riding. The benefits dwarf the dangers. People who are safety obsessed about bicycling are probably barking up the wrong tree. There is no safety in traffic. The only cure is to not leave the house. People who are too paranoid to ride a bike on the street get in a car and go 80mph on the highway without a second thought. That's simply irrational behavior. But bicycling has its dangers and they should be acknowledged. Here in particular, the truth shall set us free. The truth is that bicycling is the superior mode, providing superior health benefits and other benefits as well as superlatively efficient transportation, despite a relatively high injury rate. And I think it's okay to acknowledge that, because of the unique challenges of riding a bike, bicycling may not be for everybody. Like el Banana for instance. Many residential streets are safe for cycling but some aren't. Same goes for roads both rural and urban. High speed highways with no shoulders are never safe for cyclists. Bike lanes are not as safe as some think. Bike paths are the safest provided they do not become too crowded. Ergo, we should all work for bike paths as much as possible. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've come down in the evil scale by 3 points. Now you stand at 7 (passing grade). Keep up the good work! |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... [...] The Internet was created so smart and civilized behavior prevailed in the jungle. But there still some alpha male apes that relapse to primitive behavior. Usually cured with a banana. There is no animal so disgusting, so vile that it deserves comparison to you, for even the lowest, dirtiest, most parasitic member of the animal kingdom fills an ecological niche. You fill no niche. To call you a parasite would be injurious to the thousands of honest parasitic species. You are worse than vermin, for vermin does not pretend to be what it is not. You are truly human garbage. ****ing Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... On Nov 15, 3:28 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Many residential streets are safe for cycling but some aren't. Same goes for roads both rural and urban. High speed highways with no shoulders are never safe for cyclists. Bike lanes are not as safe as some think. Bike paths are the safest provided they do not become too crowded. Ergo, we should all work for bike paths as much as possible. You've come down in the evil scale by 3 points. Now you stand at 7 (passing grade). Keep up the good work! Every time you make allusions to your animals of the jungle you will get nothing but invective from me. Either reform yourself and start making some sense or get used to being called a scumbag. Also, learn how to edit a post so we do not have to keep wading through the same old **** over and over. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
On Nov 16, 1:08 pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
You can't dumb down a neighbourhood -- too much soap opera drama goin' on. I like that interpretation. With that in mind I'm a huge fan of these stylish big double chevron sharrows that are being installed in several cities. Encourage these neighbors to really get to know each other. |
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I am convinced bicycling is not safe
On Nov 15, 7:23*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... [...] The Internet was created so smart and civilized behavior prevailed in the jungle. But there still some alpha male apes that relapse to primitive behavior. Usually cured with a banana. There is no animal so disgusting, so vile that it deserves comparison to you, for even the lowest, dirtiest, most parasitic member of the animal kingdom fills an ecological niche. You fill no niche. To call you a parasite would be injurious to the thousands of honest parasitic species. You are worse than vermin, for vermin does not pretend to be what it is not. You are truly human garbage. ****ing Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota You know, Big Ed (notice you are not Dr. Evil anymore) the revolution is... Well, the revolution is hiring people... -WILLING TO FORGO PAYMENT -WILLING TO SAY THE TRUTH -WILLING TO DIE IN THE LINE OF DUTY (ride a bike) -WILLING TO REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE REVOLUTION... The last one was kind of easy, wasn't it? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Taming the Money Making Beast is a job for every lion tamer. The art is in not letting yourself become lunch. http://www.simonfieldhouse.com/LionT...JPEG-large.jpg |
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