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  #31  
Old April 26th 09, 06:30 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
alan.holmes
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"Simon Mason" wrote in message
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"Adam Lea" wrote in message news:EM6dnRpGDc-

I hope she took you out to a meal (or something similar) as
compensation.

She couldn't pay her speeding fine, so where was she going to find the
money to buy a meal from?


Oh, I thought you meant she didn't have any money at that time, so she
could buy you a meal when she did have some money.



She was in between jobs at the time and had no money of her own.


If you are bailing her out when she gets a fine where is the incentive
for her to learn from her mistakes?


She now has a job 4 miles away to which she drives. Her incentive is that
if she lost her licence she'd have to to *cycle* there.


My goodnes, a WHOLE four miles, how on earth can she be expected to cycle
that far!

Alan


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Old April 26th 09, 06:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"alan.holmes" wrote in message
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I assumed, in the first instance, that the devices were reliable, so I
took it that I had exceeded the speed limit, I have no idea whether I was
guilty of exceeding the speed limit on the others, but the fact they were
dropped, makes me feel I was not guilty, as are probably most people
trapped by these things.


Did you not know if you were exceeding the speed limit? Surely, it is a
prerequisite of driving on a public road to a) be able to know what the
speed limit is for the road you are on and the class of vehicle you are
driving and b) be capable of driving the vehicle at no more than this limit.

Do you just drive around willy-nilly not knowing if you are speeding or not?
In my case, when I got 3 speeding fines through the post addressed to me, I
knew it couldn't possibly be me as I don't speed, why weren't you as sure?


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Old April 26th 09, 06:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason
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"alan.holmes" wrote in message
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I assumed, in the first instance, that the devices were reliable, so I
took it that I had exceeded the speed limit, I have no idea whether I was
guilty of exceeding the speed limit on the others, but the fact they were
dropped, makes me feel I was not guilty, as are probably most people
trapped by these things.


Did you not know if you were exceeding the speed limit? Surely, it is a
prerequisite of driving on a public road to a) be able to know what the
speed limit is for the road you are on and the class of vehicle you are
driving and b) be capable of driving the vehicle at no more than this limit.

Do you just drive around willy-nilly not knowing if you are speeding or not?
In my case, when I got 3 speeding fines through the post addressed to me, I
knew it couldn't possibly be me as I don't speed, why weren't you as sure?


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Old April 27th 09, 10:27 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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thaksin writes:

A brief check of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations
1986 doesn't say anything about an exemption for cars with unusual tyre
sizes. I conclude therefore that the legal requirement for speedometer
accuracy holds nevertheless, and if you modify your car in this way it's
your responsibility to finish the job properly

That is _almost_ the case (and incidentally the reason why the speedo
for my 'new' Minor was custom-calibrated). But I don't think there's a
requirement for it.


Care to clarify that "not a requirement"? I can assure you that the law
is quite explicit: do you mean simply that it's often not enforced?

It's not tested at MOT time, anyway. When I moved
the Minor from one restorer to another 150 miles away I phoned the
local plodshop to check whether I could drive it since the speedo was
still away, and they were quite happy that I had a TomTom which I was
using for the job.


If your TomTom is "capable of indicating speed in both miles per hour
and kilometres per hour, either simultaneously or, by the operation of a
switch, separately", and assuming it doesn't underread, it most probably
fulfills the legal requirement anyway. As long as it had a clear view
of the sky for all those 150 miles ...


-dan
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Old April 27th 09, 10:58 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Daniel Barlow wrote:
thaksin writes:

A brief check of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations
1986 doesn't say anything about an exemption for cars with unusual tyre
sizes. I conclude therefore that the legal requirement for speedometer
accuracy holds nevertheless, and if you modify your car in this way it's
your responsibility to finish the job properly

That is _almost_ the case (and incidentally the reason why the speedo
for my 'new' Minor was custom-calibrated). But I don't think there's a
requirement for it.


Care to clarify that "not a requirement"? I can assure you that the law
is quite explicit: do you mean simply that it's often not enforced?

Well, there was no speedo in the car when it was tested, and it passed.
Make of that what you will

It's not tested at MOT time, anyway. When I moved
the Minor from one restorer to another 150 miles away I phoned the
local plodshop to check whether I could drive it since the speedo was
still away, and they were quite happy that I had a TomTom which I was
using for the job.


If your TomTom is "capable of indicating speed in both miles per hour
and kilometres per hour, either simultaneously or, by the operation of a
switch, separately", and assuming it doesn't underread, it most probably
fulfills the legal requirement anyway. As long as it had a clear view
of the sky for all those 150 miles ...

Well I reckon its capable of underreading, at least momentarily.
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Old April 27th 09, 12:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Simon Mason wrote:

Did you not know if you were exceeding the speed limit? Surely, it is a
prerequisite of driving on a public road to a) be able to know what the
speed limit is for the road you are on and the class of vehicle you are
driving and b) be capable of driving the vehicle at no more than this
limit.


My dad was caught by a camera last year. Fair cop, he hadn't been
paying enough attention, guilty as charged. He went on the "awareness
course" offered, and said that he was the only guilty person there.
/Everyone/ else would swear it was all a frightful injustice.

Given the options of lots of people being in denial or the cameras that
caught them being wrong, he seems to think the former option is
considerably more likely.

Pete.
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Old April 27th 09, 01:02 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mark[_15_]
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:59:18 +0100, "Adam Lea"
wrote:

wrote:
On 25 Apr, 19:30, "alan.holmes" wrote:
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Was she silly enough to pay the fine, or did she ask to see the
'evidence'?


She admitted she was doing 40 mph in a 30 mph zone outside of a school
and since she had no money *I* was silly enough to pay the fine!


I hope she took you out to a meal (or something similar) as compensation.


I hope she stopped driving completely.

40mph past a school is inexcusable IMHO.

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Old April 27th 09, 02:03 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Brimstone" wrote in message
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Mark wrote:

40mph past a school is inexcusable IMHO.


Surely that depends on the circumstances?

There is a primary school near me on a single carriageway road, one side is
grass verge, the school side is pavement (standard width) and the speed
limit *is* 40mph. I suppose it would be excusable. Problem is that drivers
being drivers, they think 45 - 50 is OK in a 40 limit.


 




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