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Old June 13th 08, 07:11 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Rob Morley
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:36:24 +0100
JNugent wrote:

Rob Morley wrote:

I wouldn't find a bike useful in those situations, but I would in
pedestrianised shopping areas.


I don't care how "useful" the cyclist may find it. It would be too
dangerous for others. A pedestrianised area is for... pedestrians.


And mobility scooters that charge around with no consideration for
pedestrians. I could legally use one of those, so why not a bike?

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Old June 13th 08, 10:37 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:36:24 +0100
JNugent wrote:

Rob Morley wrote:
I wouldn't find a bike useful in those situations, but I would in
pedestrianised shopping areas.

I don't care how "useful" the cyclist may find it. It would be too
dangerous for others. A pedestrianised area is for... pedestrians.


And mobility scooters that charge around with no consideration for
pedestrians. I could legally use one of those, so why not a bike?


And mobility scooters that charge around with no consideration for
pedestrians. I could legally use one of those, so why not a Jaguar XJS
or a Renault Megane?

Because users of mobility scooters can't walk (very far). The rest of us
don't have that difficulty.

How about you?
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Old June 14th 08, 12:47 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Rob Morley
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:37:52 +0100
JNugent wrote:

Because users of mobility scooters can't walk (very far). The rest of
us don't have that difficulty.

How about you?


I don't walk very well but I don't usually have a problem cycling.
In fact cycling is usually more comfortable than driving (or just
sitting in one position for long).

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Old June 14th 08, 06:51 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 13 Jun, 10:34, JNugent wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 12 Jun, 16:17, JNugent wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 12 Jun, 07:58, JNugent wrote:
Rob Morley wrote:
"Guy Ballantine" wrote:
In your first paragraph you say that cyclists are banned from areas
that a wheelchair can go. Like where?
Pedestrianised shopping areas.
True.
And more.
And the interiors of shops and supermarkets. And the end of the row in a
theatre or cinema. And railway platforms (believe it or not, but someone
recently suggested that cyclists should be allowed to cycle along the
platforms!).
And what if they can cycle but find walking extremely painful due to
the extra weight on their leg joints which is otherwise avoided by a
saddle? There are very long railways platforms around these days.
Can you not think of at least two separate good reasons for not allowing
cycling on railway platforms?

So why not name them? If one of them is that the cyclist might fall on
the railway lines at speed, exactly the same applies to a manual
wheelchair, which is allowed on platforms.


That is true. But the cycle is capable of much higher speeds and is much
less inherently stable than a four-wheel vehicle, meaning that the
likelihood of an over-the-edge-of-the-platform accident is much higher,
whilst additionally, wheelchair users, if banned from railway platforms,
would simply be unable to access railway trains, whereas a cyclist, by
definition, has to be able to move independently of the bicycle and so
has to be capable of accessing the railway on foot (unless it is your
belief that it is possible for completely immobile people - eg,
quadraplegics - to ride bicycles).

Some wheelchair users are able to walk short distances, just like
disabled cyclists, and manual wheelchairs can be quite fast too. What
about trikes then, they are fairly stable but are banned from
platforms?

So what is the other one then?


The other one is even more obvious, and for a South Londoner, you seem
to have forgotten that many railway platforms are very crowded places. A
bicycle ridden on the platform (especially at the moment a train is
approaching) would represent a completely unacceptable risk to innocent
others. Be pushed in front of a moving train and it's game over.

Same applies to wheelchairs on crowded platforms.

Anyone who would advocate allowing cycling on railway platforms must be
mad or sociopathic (yes, I know one is a sub-set of ther other).

And those who discriminate against disabled cyclists are bigots.

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Old June 14th 08, 06:53 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 13 Jun, 22:37, JNugent wrote:
Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:36:24 +0100
JNugent wrote:


Rob Morley wrote:
I wouldn't find a bike useful in those situations, but I would in
pedestrianised shopping areas.
I don't care how "useful" the cyclist may find it. It would be too
dangerous for others. A pedestrianised area is for... pedestrians.


And mobility scooters that charge around with no consideration for
pedestrians. I could legally use one of those, so why not a bike?


And mobility scooters that charge around with no consideration for
pedestrians. I could legally use one of those, so why not a Jaguar XJS
or a Renault Megane?

Because users of mobility scooters can't walk (very far). The rest of us
don't have that difficulty.

How about you?

Disabled cyclists can't walk very far either that is why they are
disabled.

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Old June 14th 08, 07:04 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Doug[_3_]
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On 14 Jun, 00:47, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:37:52 +0100

JNugent wrote:
Because users of mobility scooters can't walk (very far). The rest of
us don't have that difficulty.


How about you?


I don't walk very well but I don't usually have a problem cycling.
In fact cycling is usually more comfortable than driving (or just
sitting in one position for long).

Indeed.

As I have already pointed out, the saddle takes most of the weight
which would otherwise be on the leg joints when walking. The problem
with disabled cyclists is that they are usually banned at the other
end of their journey and have to dismount and walk regardless of their
condition. Disabled drivers can park up for free, get out their
wheelchairs and go around railway stations, pavements and
pedestrianised areas from which cyclists are banned.

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Old June 14th 08, 09:44 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_4_]
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Rob Morley wrote:

JNugent wrote:


Because users of mobility scooters can't walk (very far). The rest of
us don't have that difficulty.


How about you?


I don't walk very well but I don't usually have a problem cycling.
In fact cycling is usually more comfortable than driving (or just
sitting in one position for long).


You can't make laws which apply so adversely to the general because of
the views (or needs) abberrant particular.

Allowing cycling on railway platforms is an idea which could only occur
(as a runner) to the insane. It would undoubtedly cause many deaths of
innocent pedestrian railway-users. That - I have no doubt - is why it is
banned. It's as plain as the nose on your face.

I can guess what's coming next - so please don't bother to try to
instance a case of a disabled cyclist who finds it difficult to walk and
whose nose was lost in a horrific attack by a Rottweiller.
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Old June 15th 08, 05:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Doug[_3_]
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On 14 Jun, 09:44, JNugent wrote:
Rob Morley wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Because users of mobility scooters can't walk (very far). The rest of
us don't have that difficulty.
How about you?

I don't walk very well but I don't usually have a problem cycling.
In fact cycling is usually more comfortable than driving (or just
sitting in one position for long).


You can't make laws which apply so adversely to the general because of
the views (or needs) abberrant particular.

How would allowing disabled cyclists the same rights as disabled
motorists/wheelchair users be adverse?

Allowing cycling on railway platforms is an idea which could only occur
(as a runner) to the insane. It would undoubtedly cause many deaths of
innocent pedestrian railway-users. That - I have no doubt - is why it is
banned. It's as plain as the nose on your face.

The same applies to manual and electric wheelchairs but they are not
banned from platforms and what about the rest of of mainline stations?

Also you haven't commented on the other places where disabled cyclists
ae banned?


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