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Old April 23rd 11, 09:42 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Doug[_10_]
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The TV news this morning showed the appalling smog over London and
people with breathing difficulties were advised to stay indoors.
Doesn't it seem strange though that individuals are actually allowed
to cause such harm to others with their polluting motor vehicles and
why is there no legal redress to this?

http://airtext.info shows how the pollution is distributed over London
this morning.

Doug.
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Old April 23rd 11, 09:48 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_4_]
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Default Another pollution from motor vehicles warning.

On Apr 23, 9:42*am, Doug wrote:
The TV news this morning showed the appalling smog over London and
people with breathing difficulties were advised to stay indoors.
Doesn't it seem strange though that individuals are actually allowed
to cause such harm to others with their polluting motor vehicles and
why is there no legal redress to this?


There *are* fines applicable, although the culprits will get away with
it and we the taxpayer will end up picking up the tab.

"Monitoring in Marylebone Road, central London, showed that the number
of days on which polluting particles known as PM10s were elevated was
higher than the EU maximum. Britain has been given until June to meet
standards before it risks being fined".

--
Simon Mason
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Old April 23rd 11, 09:57 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Norman Wells[_10_]
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Doug wrote:
The TV news this morning showed the appalling smog over London and
people with breathing difficulties were advised to stay indoors.
Doesn't it seem strange though that individuals are actually allowed
to cause such harm to others with their polluting motor vehicles and
why is there no legal redress to this?

http://airtext.info shows how the pollution is distributed over London
this morning.

Doug.


You still haven't got this impersonation lark sussed, have you?

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Old April 23rd 11, 12:22 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_7_]
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Default Another pollution from motor vehicles warning.

On 23/04/2011 09:48, Simon Mason wrote:
On Apr 23, 9:42 am, wrote:
The TV news this morning showed the appalling smog over London and
people with breathing difficulties were advised to stay indoors.
Doesn't it seem strange though that individuals are actually allowed
to cause such harm to others with their polluting motor vehicles and
why is there no legal redress to this?


There *are* fines applicable, although the culprits will get away with
it and we the taxpayer will end up picking up the tab.


What "tab"?

The "argument" (such as it is) for the ferocious taxation of fuel usually
relies upon the notion that some of it is imposed in return for the alleged
"externalities" of motor vehicle use (though no mention is ever made of the
masive societal benefits accruing from ease of travel).

You'd like to see vehicle-users pay twice (if, indeed, as few times as that),
would you?

"Monitoring in Marylebone Road, central London, showed that the number
of days on which polluting particles known as PM10s were elevated was
higher than the EU maximum. Britain has been given until June to meet
standards before it risks being fined".


Easiest way of reducing that effect in the Marylebone Road would be to stop
channelling the area's traffic along that particular street, by abolishing
the "Congestion" Tax.
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Old April 23rd 11, 02:11 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
harry
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Default Another pollution from motor vehicles warning.

On Apr 23, 9:42*am, Doug wrote:
The TV news this morning showed the appalling smog over London and
people with breathing difficulties were advised to stay indoors.
Doesn't it seem strange though that individuals are actually allowed
to cause such harm to others with their polluting motor vehicles and
why is there no legal redress to this?

http://airtext.infoshows how the pollution is distributed over London
this morning.

Doug.


Move away from London. Nasty place anyway.
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Old April 23rd 11, 04:02 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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Doug wrote:

The TV news this morning showed the appalling smog over London and
people with breathing difficulties were advised to stay indoors.
Doesn't it seem strange though that individuals are actually allowed
to cause such harm to others with their polluting motor vehicles and
why is there no legal redress to this?

http://airtext.info shows how the pollution is distributed over London
this morning.

Doug.


Change all max speed limits to minimum speed limits. At a stroke, cars
would spend less time on the roads, and there would be less congestion.
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Old April 23rd 11, 06:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Rob
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johannes wrote:
|| Doug wrote:
|||
||| The TV news this morning showed the appalling smog over London and
||| people with breathing difficulties were advised to stay indoors.
||| Doesn't it seem strange though that individuals are actually allowed
||| to cause such harm to others with their polluting motor vehicles and
||| why is there no legal redress to this?
|||
||| http://airtext.info shows how the pollution is distributed over
||| London this morning.
|||
||| Doug.
||
|| Change all max speed limits to minimum speed limits. At a stroke,
|| cars would spend less time on the roads, and there would be less
|| congestion.

Plus there would be no speeding, so the roads would be safer.

--
Rob


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Old April 23rd 11, 09:52 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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Default Another pollution from motor vehicles warning.

Doug wrote:

The TV news this morning showed the appalling smog over London and
people with breathing difficulties were advised to stay indoors.
Doesn't it seem strange though that individuals are actually allowed
to cause such harm to others with their polluting motor vehicles and
why is there no legal redress to this?


A lot of those vehicles are there because of you.

All I know about you is that you ride a bicycle.
You probably regard bicycles as cheap and clean, yes?
But they're only "cheap" because they're made efficiently, and they're
only "clean" because the pollution arising from their manufacture and
use is not near to you (though nearer than you think).

A bicycle is made of metals and plastics, which requires metal-ore mining
(which requires mining machinery), refining (which requires an electricity
industry), oil drilling and the chemical industry (plastics), fabrication of the
parts, electroplating, paint, and so on.

So you've got mining and oil industry, energy industry (all forms), chemical
industry (lots of), manufacturing, and of course transport (all forms).
Those things all rely on education, construction, security and emergency
services, health services, and of course food.

Now, you consider using your bicycle to be pollution-free, because you don't
burn petrol to move it, but you eat food, so we're back to oil drilling, and
tractor manufacture, and transport (all forms) and the chemical industry, and
we should also throw in the water and sewage industry, and yet more consruction,
which is all backed up by education and health and security and so on, and so
on.


http://airtext.info shows how the pollution is distributed over London
this morning.


Yes, shame on you!

Doug.




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Old April 23rd 11, 09:56 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
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On Apr 23, 9:52*pm, Sleepalot wrote:
Doug wrote:
The TV news this morning showed the appalling smog over London and
people with breathing difficulties were advised to stay indoors.
Doesn't it seem strange though that individuals are actually allowed
to cause such harm to others with their polluting motor vehicles and
why is there no legal redress to this?


A lot of those vehicles are there because of you.

All I know about you is that you ride a bicycle.
You probably regard bicycles as cheap and clean, yes?
But they're only "cheap" because they're made efficiently, and they're
only "clean" because the pollution arising from their manufacture and
use is not near to you (though nearer than you think).

A bicycle is made of metals and plastics, which requires metal-ore mining
(which requires mining machinery), refining (which requires an electricity
industry), oil drilling and the chemical industry (plastics), fabrication of the
parts, electroplating, paint, and so on.

So you've got mining and oil industry, energy industry (all forms), chemical
industry (lots of), manufacturing, and of course transport (all forms). * * * *
Those things all rely on education, construction, security and emergency
services, health services, and of course food. *

Now, you consider using your bicycle to be pollution-free, because you don't
burn petrol to move it, but you eat food, so we're back to oil drilling, and
tractor manufacture, and transport (all forms) and the chemical industry, and
we should also throw in the water and sewage industry, and yet more consruction,
which is all backed up by education and health and security and so on, and so
on.



http://airtext.infoshows how the pollution is distributed over London
this morning.


Yes, shame on you!



“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”
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Old April 23rd 11, 10:21 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling,uk.legal
Sleepalot[_2_]
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Squashme wrote:

“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”


And wondering who to blame for those twinkly *******s spoiling the inky
blackness of space?



 




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