Frank

I had the idea that you were about the same age as I was and went through the deprivation of the war years. And the almost instant improvement in life when Eisenhower reduced the highest tax rates.

So when I get irritated with you, I have the idea that you come from a family that never saw anything other other than big houses in nice neighborhoods and full bellies without having to have your own garden and chicken coops in the back yard to augment salaries.

Either that or you were totally ignorant of the world around you. Because you certainly don't show that you give one **** about the other people in this country let alone the rest of the world. Anyone that has lived in this world and watched what has happened knows that socialism ALWAYS fails. Socialized Medicine ALWAYS fails. Canadians fill American hospitals along the Canadian border. England finally allowed private clinics and hospitals to form and they are filled with people that need real medical care and not the magic bullet portrayed by Doc Martin.

Half of this world is dumped in hunger, depression and hopelessness from socialism and you hold the countries that have free enterprise and are rich from it in utter contempt.

Throwing away what has given YOU a great life, successful or not, strikes me as not just foolish but ignorant.

If Lou finds my comments irritating at times I can understand it because he never lived through the real war. He never watched cities turned to rubble or nations destroyed for an entire two generations. I come from what they call the Silent Generation not because I'm quiet but because I SAW what has happened to people and it cannot be spoken of without tears.

I suggest you grow up.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:37:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I had the idea that you were about the same age as
I was and went through the deprivation of the war years.

Sorry to interrupt, but as I understand it, you were born in Oct 1944.
Please correct me if this is wrong. When WWII ended in Sept 1945, you
were at best 1 year old. I'm impressed that you can recall the
deprivation of the US war years, 1941 to 1945, at that age.

And the almost instant improvement in life when Eisenhower
reduced the highest tax rates.

That's possible. Dwight D. Eisenhower was president from Jan 20, 1953
to Jan 20, 1961. In 1953, would have been 8 years old. I'm equally
impressed that you can accurately recall economic improvements when
you were 8 to 16 years old. Personally, recalling most things before
I was about 17 years old is mostly a muddle.


--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:37:29 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:

I had the idea that you were about the same age as I was and went
through the deprivation of the war years. And the almost instant
improvement in life when Eisenhower reduced the highest tax rates.

First piece of obvious political bull****. 'Trickle down' economics has
long been shown to be a scam and never worked.

Then you do a typical silly little tommy side shuffle to this crap below;


So when I get irritated with you, I have the idea that you come from a
family that never saw anything other other than big houses in nice
neighborhoods and full bellies without having to have your own garden
and chicken coops in the back yard to augment salaries.

Did this scenario apply to you? Because in my understanding it applied to
just about everyone as chcken was a rare and expensive meat at the time.
It was post WWII when the massive chicken meat producing industry started
to develop and people started to be able to afford its products.

Either that or you were totally ignorant of the world around you.
Because you certainly don't show that you give one **** about the other
people in this country let alone the rest of the world.

A perfect description of your attitude to life and people in general.

Anyone that has
lived in this world and watched what has happened knows that socialism
ALWAYS fails.

Nope, it is still pretty good generally is ensuring people get some
basics. If failure is a failure to provide the indulgent consumptive
lifestyle of the most prolific in the White Western World, then thank
diety as the globe can not afford it.

Socialized Medicine ALWAYS fails.

Wrong

Canadians fill American hospitals along the Canadian border.

So your hero; the orange buffoon built his wall on the wrong border?

England finally allowed private
clinics and hospitals to form and they are filled with people that need
real medical care and not the magic bullet portrayed by Doc Martin.

The UK has always had private healthcare. Their four NHS services are an
ancillary to private health care.


Half of this world is dumped in hunger, depression and hopelessness from
socialism

And the rest gets it from capitalism?

and you hold the countries that have free enterprise and are
rich from it in utter contempt.

Yep, because they are rich because they steal from the common good and do
so by exploiting other people. Gee, who is clearly demonstrating they
have no life or world experience.


Throwing away what has given YOU a great life, successful or not,
strikes me as not just foolish but ignorant.

Talking to yourself again silly little tommy.


If Lou finds my comments irritating at times I can understand it because
he never lived through the real war. He never watched cities turned to
rubble or nations destroyed for an entire two generations.

Exactly when did you see that?
Are you talking about the places in SE Asia where your crew dropped
massive bomb loads?

I come from
what they call the Silent Generation not because I'm quiet but because I
SAW what has happened to people and it cannot be spoken of without
tears.

Gosh, what are you reading now?
Trying to present yourself as "New Woke"?

I suggest you grow up.

Is this another message to yourself?
You could start by dealing with your anger issues and cease your
relentless threats of violence against people.

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:59:41 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:37:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I had the idea that you were about the same age as
I was and went through the deprivation of the war years.
Sorry to interrupt, but as I understand it, you were born in Oct 1944.
Please correct me if this is wrong. When WWII ended in Sept 1945, you
were at best 1 year old. I'm impressed that you can recall the
deprivation of the US war years, 1941 to 1945, at that age.
And the almost instant improvement in life when Eisenhower
reduced the highest tax rates.
That's possible. Dwight D. Eisenhower was president from Jan 20, 1953
to Jan 20, 1961. In 1953, would have been 8 years old. I'm equally
impressed that you can accurately recall economic improvements when
you were 8 to 16 years old. Personally, recalling most things before
I was about 17 years old is mostly a muddle.

You've made it very clear that everything in your life is a muddle. Broken family was it? Low IQ? Even with my memory problems I can remember everything in grade school, Jr. High and High School. 8 years old was more than old enough to tend to the chickens and the garden. I also worked for Farmer Potts who had a field around the corner and hand out with my friends walking 4 or 5 miles to their houses. Unlike you, I was never protected. And there was never any need to be either because everyone knew my father from his fighting days. Neither he nor my older brother were allowed to be drafted or to volunteer because they worked for the railroad and that was a necessary labor. Why don't you tell us whatever the hell you can remember? 17 is muddled? Remember I volunteered for Vietnam at that age. You sure must be mind addled.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:59:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:37:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I had the idea that you were about the same age as
I was and went through the deprivation of the war years.

Sorry to interrupt, but as I understand it, you were born in Oct 1944.
Please correct me if this is wrong. When WWII ended in Sept 1945, you
were at best 1 year old. I'm impressed that you can recall the
deprivation of the US war years, 1941 to 1945, at that age.

And the almost instant improvement in life when Eisenhower
reduced the highest tax rates.

That's possible. Dwight D. Eisenhower was president from Jan 20, 1953
to Jan 20, 1961. In 1953, would have been 8 years old. I'm equally
impressed that you can accurately recall economic improvements when
you were 8 to 16 years old. Personally, recalling most things before
I was about 17 years old is mostly a muddle.

https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2...t/ideas/essay/
(in part)
"During the administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, from
1953 to 1961, the top income bracket in the United States climbed to a
marginal tax rate of 91 percent. Taxes on corporate profits were two
times as great as they are in 2017, and that’s before the current
proposal to cut that rate to 21 percent. The tax on large estates rose
to more than 70 percent."
and
Eisenhower’s 1958 budget nearly doubled the federal budget from that
of the Truman era, and raised the national debt by billions of
dollars.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 6:16:41 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:59:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:37:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I had the idea that you were about the same age as
I was and went through the deprivation of the war years.

Sorry to interrupt, but as I understand it, you were born in Oct 1944.
Please correct me if this is wrong. When WWII ended in Sept 1945, you
were at best 1 year old. I'm impressed that you can recall the
deprivation of the US war years, 1941 to 1945, at that age.

And the almost instant improvement in life when Eisenhower
reduced the highest tax rates.

That's possible. Dwight D. Eisenhower was president from Jan 20, 1953
to Jan 20, 1961. In 1953, would have been 8 years old. I'm equally
impressed that you can accurately recall economic improvements when
you were 8 to 16 years old. Personally, recalling most things before
I was about 17 years old is mostly a muddle.
https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2...t/ideas/essay/
(in part)
"During the administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, from
1953 to 1961, the top income bracket in the United States climbed to a
marginal tax rate of 91 percent. Taxes on corporate profits were two
times as great as they are in 2017, and that’s before the current
proposal to cut that rate to 21 percent. The tax on large estates rose
to more than 70 percent."
and
Eisenhower’s 1958 budget nearly doubled the federal budget from that
of the Truman era, and raised the national debt by billions of
dollars.

John, I hate to point this out to you but the 91% tax rate was installed but Franklin Roosevelt and left there by Truman and it was Eisenhower that began reducing it. I'm sue that if you ask nicely that Jeff would let you suck him off.

On Sat, 1 May 2021 01:05:12 -0000 (UTC), News 2021
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:37:29 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
Socialized Medicine ALWAYS fails.

Wrong

Prior to attaining the age of 65 or 66 years[1], I was a fairly
typical taxpayer, routinely complaining about paying for someone
else's medical expenses. After 66, I became a recipient and therefore
a staunch supporter of socialized everything that might benefit me.
This is probably one of the changes to brain structure that occurs as
we age.

[1] Medicare kicks in at age 65. Social Security at age 66.

--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 4/30/2021 8:16 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:59:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:37:29 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

I had the idea that you were about the same age as
I was and went through the deprivation of the war years.

Sorry to interrupt, but as I understand it, you were born in Oct 1944.
Please correct me if this is wrong. When WWII ended in Sept 1945, you
were at best 1 year old. I'm impressed that you can recall the
deprivation of the US war years, 1941 to 1945, at that age.

And the almost instant improvement in life when Eisenhower
reduced the highest tax rates.

That's possible. Dwight D. Eisenhower was president from Jan 20, 1953
to Jan 20, 1961. In 1953, would have been 8 years old. I'm equally
impressed that you can accurately recall economic improvements when
you were 8 to 16 years old. Personally, recalling most things before
I was about 17 years old is mostly a muddle.

https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2...t/ideas/essay/
(in part)
"During the administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, from
1953 to 1961, the top income bracket in the United States climbed to a
marginal tax rate of 91 percent. Taxes on corporate profits were two
times as great as they are in 2017, and that’s before the current
proposal to cut that rate to 21 percent. The tax on large estates rose
to more than 70 percent."
and
Eisenhower’s 1958 budget nearly doubled the federal budget from that
of the Truman era, and raised the national debt by billions of
dollars.



Yes and no. There are complex factors involved.

First off, much is made of marginal rates (as you note above):
https://images.angelpub.com/2015/38/...teshistory.jpg

But various tax regimens (nowadays mostly the IRS code &
related rules[1]) have myriad carve-outs, exemptions,
credits and so on. When one views total tax revenues, the
picture is different:

https://images.angelpub.com/2015/38/33363/taxtogdp.gif

And a case can be made that broader simpler rates and rules
yield higher revenues. That was Mr Putin's approach twenty
years ago to a flat universal 13% rate. Even the various
mafias paid their taxes as cheating was no longer worth the
risk [2].

Here and elsewhere, broader simpler rules with lower rates
have indeed garnered more treasury revenue at times. Other
times not because, as I opened, this is extremely complex
considering all the various incentives, disincentives,
loopholes and opportunities.

Bonus! Here's what two famous economists have to say about
that (two minutes 30 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jr3Ceu894
`
[1]Prior to 1913 all revenue was from duties, tariffs and
excise taxes which were (as everything) dynamic political
tools for each Congress to attack afresh.


[2]The accretions of rules, loopholes, corruption, avoidance
schemes etc have lowered Russian tax revenues and so the
system has since changed in an effort to keep up with the
taxpaying citizenry's innovations. Just like here.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:27:10 -0700, Jeff Liebermann scribed:

On Sat, 1 May 2021 01:05:12 -0000 (UTC), News 2021
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:37:29 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
Socialized Medicine ALWAYS fails.

Wrong

Prior to attaining the age of 65 or 66 years[1], I was a fairly typical
taxpayer, routinely complaining about paying for someone else's medical
expenses. After 66, I became a recipient and therefore a staunch
supporter of socialized everything that might benefit me. This is
probably one of the changes to brain structure that occurs as we age.

[1] Medicare kicks in at age 65. Social Security at age 66.

In Australia, you get lifetime 'medicare' as the basic,(funded by a 1%?
income tax levy), but you are free to take out private health insurance
(and you get a rebate on the income tax levy if you do).

There is no guarantee that private health coverage is generally
beneficial compare to the public health care, Recently the funds have
been deserted in droves by younger people, so our liberal/free enterprise
government has allowed peole to charge a surcharge to people who haven't
been a member of a health funds since 18 year.

Social security/the aged ension did kick in at age 65 years but we are
now in a tansision phase to where it wi kick in at 70s years. It s means
tested on income and assets, but excludes the family home.

The dole/newstart/job seeker, to use its various names over the years, is
an absolutely minisicule amount($40/day) paid to people who can not find
employment(=1hour/fortnight).

The big thing for retired, pensioners and unemployed is getting a 'health
card card' which means you get any medication on the PBS* (about $7/
script) and some health rivers will provde full service for the standard
medicare fee without you having to pay extra.

The PBS is hated by the drug companies as the federal government
effectively buys meds at a tendered price wit te resukt tat the drug
comanes constantly 'invent' new medicines which they can get a higher
price for.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:27:10 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sat, 1 May 2021 01:05:12 -0000 (UTC), News 2021
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:37:29 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
Socialized Medicine ALWAYS fails.

Wrong

Prior to attaining the age of 65 or 66 years[1], I was a fairly
typical taxpayer, routinely complaining about paying for someone
else's medical expenses. After 66, I became a recipient and therefore
a staunch supporter of socialized everything that might benefit me.
This is probably one of the changes to brain structure that occurs as
we age.

[1] Medicare kicks in at age 65. Social Security at age 66.

Here all citizens get free medical care and citizens over 60 draw an
old age pension. I might add that the only taxes that my wife (Thai
citizen residing in Thailand) has ever paid was a tax on the interest
payments from her bank accounts :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.