Brighton Cyclist 900 quid down

On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:12:48 +0100, "Iain" wrote:

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Programme?
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Sorry - don't know - I was round at someone's house - and it may even
have been recorded


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Per billion passenger kilometres

Car KSI 18
Cycle KSI 541
Pedestrian 358

(KSI : Killed or Seriously Injured)
Dft 2008 FIgures

Who says cycling is safer than walking?

On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 02:24:52 -0700 (PDT), Derek C
wrote:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ls_of_Fortune/



That's it 42:15 ish


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Per billion passenger kilometres

Car KSI 18
Cycle KSI 541
Pedestrian 358

(KSI : Killed or Seriously Injured)
Dft 2008 FIgures

Who says cycling is safer than walking?

JMS wrote:
On Sat, 9 Oct 2010 02:24:52 -0700 (PDT), Derek C
wrote:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ls_of_Fortune/



That's it 42:15 ish

Thanks - it was all very interesting. Regardless of whatever mode of
transport he was using, someone with that attitude deserves everything they
get.
(Imagine all the time and cost he caused - and subsequently him helping to
finance - when it could and should have been quickly dealt with at the
roadside. Compare the driver without lights - literally only a few seconds
spent. And I doubt that was anything to do with mode of transport.)

In fact, the rider (Richard Hodgson, 53) has now become quite well-known.
The case was from April 2010.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/80940...t_fined___700/
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Iain

On Oct 9, 12:23*pm, Judith M Smith wrote:

Per billion passenger kilometres

Car * * KSI * * 18
Cycle * KSI * * 541
Pedestrian * * *358

(KSI : Killed or Seriously Injured)
Dft 2008 FIgures

Your figures show that cyclists must cycle on the pavement in order to
be safe from motor vehicles.

Tony Raven wrote:
Derek C wrote:

This incident was reported in this newsgroup before, but I didn't know
it had been caught on camera. The cyclist was spotted by a Police
patrol car riding at night without lights or reflectors on his bike.
He then deliberately rode through a red traffic light and then onto
the pavement. The police pulled him over with some difficulty just to
suggest that it would be a good idea to wheel his light-less bike home
on foot, but being a typical 'You can't touch me because I am a
cyclist and above the law' psycholist, he argued that he hadn't done
anything wrong, despite the above offences all being caught on the
police car video camera, and also being under the influence of drink.
Eventually the Police had to issue him with fixed penalty notices and
had to threaten him with arrest because he wouldn't give them his name
and address. What a knob! I am pleased that the Court decided to make
an example of him and imposed a hefty fine. If he had been a motorist
I am sure that many penalty points and a long driving ban would have
also been imposed.


Could you tell us what the rest of the programme and the episode before
and before that were about? Only I'm wondering how they keep a whole
series of programmes going on the behaviour of cyclists and what they
fill in the rest of the time with.


Derek, I seemed to have missed your reply. Would you like to tell us
about motorcyclists doing wheelies and power sliding all over the dual
carriageway at speed or doing 150mph on a single carriageway road,
drivers driving unsupervised on provisional licenses and cars with no
lights? Of course that's all trivial compared to a cyclist riding
without lights isn't it?

According to the police commentary they were hassling the cyclist with
no lights because he was "a danger to himself" whereas the driver with
no lights was just warned "because in a modern car you are safer with
air bags to protect you". And as pointed out later, the cyclist crossed
the junction on a green light.

Tony

Tony Raven wrote:
Tony Raven wrote:
Derek C wrote:

This incident was reported in this newsgroup before, but I didn't
know it had been caught on camera. The cyclist was spotted by a
Police patrol car riding at night without lights or reflectors on
his bike. He then deliberately rode through a red traffic light and
then onto the pavement. The police pulled him over with some
difficulty just to suggest that it would be a good idea to wheel
his light-less bike home on foot, but being a typical 'You can't
touch me because I am a cyclist and above the law' psycholist, he
argued that he hadn't done anything wrong, despite the above
offences all being caught on the police car video camera, and also
being under the influence of drink. Eventually the Police had to
issue him with fixed penalty notices and had to threaten him with
arrest because he wouldn't give them his name and address. What a
knob! I am pleased that the Court decided to make an example of him
and imposed a hefty fine. If he had been a motorist I am sure that
many penalty points and a long driving ban would have also been
imposed.

Could you tell us what the rest of the programme and the episode
before and before that were about? Only I'm wondering how they keep
a whole series of programmes going on the behaviour of cyclists and
what they fill in the rest of the time with.


Derek, I seemed to have missed your reply. Would you like to tell us
about motorcyclists doing wheelies and power sliding all over the dual
carriageway at speed or doing 150mph on a single carriageway road,
drivers driving unsupervised on provisional licenses and cars with no
lights? Of course that's all trivial compared to a cyclist riding
without lights isn't it?

According to the police commentary they were hassling the cyclist with
no lights because he was "a danger to himself" whereas the driver with
no lights was just warned "because in a modern car you are safer with
air bags to protect you". And as pointed out later, the cyclist
crossed the junction on a green light.

Tony

the other items you refer to would be off topic for this news group and so
were (correctly) not mentioned.

On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 18:15:40 +0100, Tony Raven
wrote:

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According to the police commentary they were hassling the cyclist with
no lights because he was "a danger to himself" whereas the driver with
no lights was just warned "because in a modern car you are safer with
air bags to protect you". And as pointed out later, the cyclist crossed
the junction on a green light.

Tony

The cyclist crossed the stop line when it was clearly at red.

Just because he was so ****ed that the next phase of the lights
started before he hit the junction is neither here nor there.

You would have been one of the first to moan if he had been hit whilst
crossing the junction.


"My thoughts are with his family"


He was an arrogant **** - as I said - just like many cyclists in here.


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Per billion passenger kilometres

Car KSI 18
Cycle KSI 541
Pedestrian 358

(KSI : Killed or Seriously Injured)
Dft 2008 FIgures

Who says cycling is safer than walking?

On 09/10/2010 18:15, Tony Raven wrote:

Derek, I seemed to have missed your reply. Would you like to tell us
about motorcyclists doing wheelies and power sliding all over the dual
carriageway at speed or doing 150mph on a single carriageway road,
drivers driving unsupervised on provisional licenses and cars with no
lights? Of course that's all trivial compared to a cyclist riding
without lights isn't it?


Ah, but that would be OT for uk.rec.cycling wouldn't it? Presumably,
therefore, Derek will be going on to uk.rec.driving as well to post
about the motoring infractions side of the programme.

Mrcheerful wrote:

the other items you refer to would be off topic for this news group and so
were (correctly) not mentioned.


Not at all - they set the cyclists behaviour and his treatment in
context. But I keep forgetting you are the group moderator and can
dictate what can and can't be posted.

But out of interest, which do you think were the most serious crimes in
the programme?

Tony

Tony Raven wrote:
Mrcheerful wrote:

the other items you refer to would be off topic for this news group
and so were (correctly) not mentioned.


Not at all - they set the cyclists behaviour and his treatment in
context. But I keep forgetting you are the group moderator and can
dictate what can and can't be posted.

But out of interest, which do you think were the most serious crimes
in the programme?

Tony

I reckon The unlicenced driver that lied about her name springs to mind as
being the most likely to hurt someone.
The bikers were being silly, but most showed very high skills at controlling
the bikes, not suitable for the roads of course.
The stupid girl that was travelling too close and ran into the back of the
van should have been done for careless driving at least.
The illegal immigrants should just be put back on the boat and dumped at
sea. What else was there? The cyclist really was such a prat, you just
could not make it up, he epitomises everything bad about cyclists. How
those cops restrain themselves is beyond me, I could not do it, with or
without cameras he would have tripped over several times on the way to the
arrest van.