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  #11  
Old May 8th 19, 12:00 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Tue, 7 May 2019 14:05:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 5/7/2019 11:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 7:12:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
Good title for a book. Lots of potential

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uick-turn.html
--


He should have been in position three, but he does get points for the fluorescent vest. Had he attended my advanced skills course, he would have known not to ride straight into a turning fire engine. That is in class number six, if you purchase the deluxe package. Otherwise, it is covered more generally in class number three, chapter four: "Don't Ride Your Bike into Things." See Bicycle Illuminati Rule 7.2(1)(a)(iii): "when riding your bike, do not ride straight into walls, large trucks or other massive objects." Here's the chapter materials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpFC6kfc15s


FWIW, that situation is dealt with in detail in the cycling classes I
have taken. How to prevent it from setting up in the first place, how to
watch for it developing, exactly what evasive action to take if it can't
be avoided, etc. Oh, and the classes had actual drills on the relevant
last-second evasive skills, practiced over and over.

No, people do _not_ know those things automatically. Even riders with
years of experience.


Goodness! Those bicyclists, back there, must be sort of stupid. After
all it was a great big motor bus and the guy rode right into it. the
cyclists here aren't that stupid (and they can't even speak English).
As for "evasive action", well I suppose that "just stop and let the
bloody great thing go by" is evasive action.

But the assertion that one needs lessons to teach one NOT to crash
into a big bus, or that "people do_not_know these things
automatically" - not to ride into the side of a bus, one assumes,
would seem to equate the intelligence of the average U.S. bicycle
rider with that of a pet rock.
--
cheers,

John B.

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  #12  
Old May 8th 19, 12:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Tue, 7 May 2019 09:18:45 -0700, sms
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On 5/7/2019 7:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Good title for a book. Lots of potential

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uick-turn.html


Well they're both riding on the wrong side of the road. What's wrong
with people that can't keep right!?


Errr... you did note the address, didn't you? "dailymail.co.UK" They
drive on the other side of the road "over there".
--
cheers,

John B.

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Old May 8th 19, 12:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 5/7/2019 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2019 14:05:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 5/7/2019 11:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 7:12:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
Good title for a book. Lots of potential

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uick-turn.html
--

He should have been in position three, but he does get points for the fluorescent vest. Had he attended my advanced skills course, he would have known not to ride straight into a turning fire engine. That is in class number six, if you purchase the deluxe package. Otherwise, it is covered more generally in class number three, chapter four: "Don't Ride Your Bike into Things." See Bicycle Illuminati Rule 7.2(1)(a)(iii): "when riding your bike, do not ride straight into walls, large trucks or other massive objects." Here's the chapter materials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpFC6kfc15s


FWIW, that situation is dealt with in detail in the cycling classes I
have taken. How to prevent it from setting up in the first place, how to
watch for it developing, exactly what evasive action to take if it can't
be avoided, etc. Oh, and the classes had actual drills on the relevant
last-second evasive skills, practiced over and over.

No, people do _not_ know those things automatically. Even riders with
years of experience.


Goodness! Those bicyclists, back there, must be sort of stupid. After
all it was a great big motor bus and the guy rode right into it. the
cyclists here aren't that stupid (and they can't even speak English).
As for "evasive action", well I suppose that "just stop and let the
bloody great thing go by" is evasive action.

But the assertion that one needs lessons to teach one NOT to crash
into a big bus, or that "people do_not_know these things
automatically" - not to ride into the side of a bus, one assumes,
would seem to equate the intelligence of the average U.S. bicycle
rider with that of a pet rock.


I note that the safe cyclist in that video with his saf-tee
vest and saf-tee helmet is in central London England.

I have done idiot moves on a bicycle, many in fact, but not
that.


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Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old May 8th 19, 12:43 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ralph Barone[_4_]
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John B. wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2019 09:18:45 -0700, sms
wrote:

On 5/7/2019 7:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Good title for a book. Lots of potential

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uick-turn.html


Well they're both riding on the wrong side of the road. What's wrong
with people that can't keep right!?


Errr... you did note the address, didn't you? "dailymail.co.UK" They
drive on the other side of the road "over there".
--
cheers,

John B.



You did note the sarcastic humour there, didn’t you?

  #15  
Old May 8th 19, 01:35 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tue, 7 May 2019 23:43:38 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

scharf.s


Well, no I didn't. I just saw the by-line, read "scharf" and thought
"as usual he doesn't know what he is talking about". Thus my response.
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cheers,

John B.

  #16  
Old May 8th 19, 01:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Tue, 07 May 2019 18:39:32 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 5/7/2019 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2019 14:05:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 5/7/2019 11:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 7:12:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
Good title for a book. Lots of potential

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uick-turn.html
--

He should have been in position three, but he does get points for the fluorescent vest. Had he attended my advanced skills course, he would have known not to ride straight into a turning fire engine. That is in class number six, if you purchase the deluxe package. Otherwise, it is covered more generally in class number three, chapter four: "Don't Ride Your Bike into Things." See Bicycle Illuminati Rule 7.2(1)(a)(iii): "when riding your bike, do not ride straight into walls, large trucks or other massive objects." Here's the chapter materials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpFC6kfc15s

FWIW, that situation is dealt with in detail in the cycling classes I
have taken. How to prevent it from setting up in the first place, how to
watch for it developing, exactly what evasive action to take if it can't
be avoided, etc. Oh, and the classes had actual drills on the relevant
last-second evasive skills, practiced over and over.

No, people do _not_ know those things automatically. Even riders with
years of experience.


Goodness! Those bicyclists, back there, must be sort of stupid. After
all it was a great big motor bus and the guy rode right into it. the
cyclists here aren't that stupid (and they can't even speak English).
As for "evasive action", well I suppose that "just stop and let the
bloody great thing go by" is evasive action.

But the assertion that one needs lessons to teach one NOT to crash
into a big bus, or that "people do_not_know these things
automatically" - not to ride into the side of a bus, one assumes,
would seem to equate the intelligence of the average U.S. bicycle
rider with that of a pet rock.


I note that the safe cyclist in that video with his saf-tee
vest and saf-tee helmet is in central London England.

I have done idiot moves on a bicycle, many in fact, but not
that.


I learned to ride a bicycle coasting down a hill on my buddy's bike.
Balancing, steering and pedaling backward to brake were way too
complicated for a beginner and I crashed into a large garbage can.
The bike stopped, I didn't, and nearly emasculated myself.

Since then one of my guiding lights has been "don't run into things".
--
cheers,

John B.

  #17  
Old May 8th 19, 01:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
James[_8_]
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On 8/5/19 1:27 am, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 7:12:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
Good title for a book. Lots of potential

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uick-turn.html


--

He should have been in position three, but he does get points for the
fluorescent vest. Had he attended my advanced skills course, he
would have known not to ride straight into a turning fire engine.
That is in class number six, if you purchase the deluxe package.
Otherwise, it is covered more generally in class number three,
chapter four: "Don't Ride Your Bike into Things." See Bicycle
Illuminati Rule 7.2(1)(a)(iii): "when riding your bike, do not ride
straight into walls, large trucks or other massive objects." Here's
the chapter materials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpFC6kfc15s


The "how not to ride straight into walls" instructional video is here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjhkzGkLYaw

--
JS

  #18  
Old May 8th 19, 03:27 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 5/7/2019 5:48 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 11:05:36 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2019 11:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 7:12:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
Good title for a book. Lots of potential

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uick-turn.html
--

He should have been in position three, but he does get points for the fluorescent vest. Had he attended my advanced skills course, he would have known not to ride straight into a turning fire engine. That is in class number six, if you purchase the deluxe package. Otherwise, it is covered more generally in class number three, chapter four: "Don't Ride Your Bike into Things." See Bicycle Illuminati Rule 7.2(1)(a)(iii): "when riding your bike, do not ride straight into walls, large trucks or other massive objects." Here's the chapter materials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpFC6kfc15s


FWIW, that situation is dealt with in detail in the cycling classes I
have taken. How to prevent it from setting up in the first place, how to
watch for it developing, exactly what evasive action to take if it can't
be avoided, etc. Oh, and the classes had actual drills on the relevant
last-second evasive skills, practiced over and over.

No, people do _not_ know those things automatically. Even riders with
years of experience.


Anyone with even a whiff of intelligence would know not to accelerate into the side of a turning fire truck with its siren blaring and turn signal activated. Look at the complete video from the beginning. The only mystery is "what was he thinking."

If you are teaching or taking cycling classes where the instructor is actually saying, "hey, if a fire truck turns in front of you, don't accelerate into it," then the instructor should also be teaching life skills like how to dress, eat and dial 911.


You really should stop guessing about what instructors in these classes
are saying. You keep guessing wrong.


--
- Frank Krygowski
  #19  
Old May 8th 19, 03:35 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 5/7/2019 7:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2019 14:05:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 5/7/2019 11:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 7:12:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
Good title for a book. Lots of potential

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uick-turn.html
--

He should have been in position three, but he does get points for the fluorescent vest. Had he attended my advanced skills course, he would have known not to ride straight into a turning fire engine. That is in class number six, if you purchase the deluxe package. Otherwise, it is covered more generally in class number three, chapter four: "Don't Ride Your Bike into Things." See Bicycle Illuminati Rule 7.2(1)(a)(iii): "when riding your bike, do not ride straight into walls, large trucks or other massive objects." Here's the chapter materials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpFC6kfc15s


FWIW, that situation is dealt with in detail in the cycling classes I
have taken. How to prevent it from setting up in the first place, how to
watch for it developing, exactly what evasive action to take if it can't
be avoided, etc. Oh, and the classes had actual drills on the relevant
last-second evasive skills, practiced over and over.

No, people do _not_ know those things automatically. Even riders with
years of experience.


Goodness! Those bicyclists, back there, must be sort of stupid. After
all it was a great big motor bus and the guy rode right into it. the
cyclists here aren't that stupid (and they can't even speak English).
As for "evasive action", well I suppose that "just stop and let the
bloody great thing go by" is evasive action.

But the assertion that one needs lessons to teach one NOT to crash
into a big bus, or that "people do_not_know these things
automatically" - not to ride into the side of a bus, one assumes,
would seem to equate the intelligence of the average U.S. bicycle
rider with that of a pet rock.


That rider was at the pet rock level. But "that situation" I referred to
is what's known as a Right Hook in the U.S. (or a left hook in Britain,
etc.) And it happens regularly, even to intelligent cyclists.
Intelligent but ignorant, that is.

It happens in part because bike lanes instruct cyclists to ride through
intersections to the right of vehicles that may turn right. That scheme
is one factor that sets up the conflict. Another is the meme that claims
a bicyclist must always be at the edge of the roadway - meaning a
cyclist must put himself in the same situation even without the paint
stripe telling him to.

There are ways of avoiding that geometry. There are ways of sometimes
dissuading the motorist if you're unavoidably in that situation. There
are ways of evading the crash if it all goes wrong. Those are the sorts
of things taught in these sorts of classes.

But you obviously didn't know that.

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- Frank Krygowski
  #20  
Old May 8th 19, 03:36 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 5/7/2019 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 07 May 2019 18:39:32 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 5/7/2019 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 7 May 2019 14:05:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 5/7/2019 11:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 7:12:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
Good title for a book. Lots of potential

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uick-turn.html
--

He should have been in position three, but he does get points for the fluorescent vest. Had he attended my advanced skills course, he would have known not to ride straight into a turning fire engine. That is in class number six, if you purchase the deluxe package. Otherwise, it is covered more generally in class number three, chapter four: "Don't Ride Your Bike into Things." See Bicycle Illuminati Rule 7.2(1)(a)(iii): "when riding your bike, do not ride straight into walls, large trucks or other massive objects." Here's the chapter materials:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpFC6kfc15s

FWIW, that situation is dealt with in detail in the cycling classes I
have taken. How to prevent it from setting up in the first place, how to
watch for it developing, exactly what evasive action to take if it can't
be avoided, etc. Oh, and the classes had actual drills on the relevant
last-second evasive skills, practiced over and over.

No, people do _not_ know those things automatically. Even riders with
years of experience.

Goodness! Those bicyclists, back there, must be sort of stupid. After
all it was a great big motor bus and the guy rode right into it. the
cyclists here aren't that stupid (and they can't even speak English).
As for "evasive action", well I suppose that "just stop and let the
bloody great thing go by" is evasive action.

But the assertion that one needs lessons to teach one NOT to crash
into a big bus, or that "people do_not_know these things
automatically" - not to ride into the side of a bus, one assumes,
would seem to equate the intelligence of the average U.S. bicycle
rider with that of a pet rock.


I note that the safe cyclist in that video with his saf-tee
vest and saf-tee helmet is in central London England.

I have done idiot moves on a bicycle, many in fact, but not
that.


I learned to ride a bicycle coasting down a hill on my buddy's bike.
Balancing, steering and pedaling backward to brake were way too
complicated for a beginner and I crashed into a large garbage can.
The bike stopped, I didn't, and nearly emasculated myself.

Since then one of my guiding lights has been "don't run into things".


I suggest a better guiding light is "learn all you can."

And perhaps "Don't disparage those who have learned more than you."


--
- Frank Krygowski
 




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