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Unsafe at any speed?-Path beside Beach Rd
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rooman wrote: Is not doing nothing, keeping your head in the sand? Not necessarily -- it can sometimes mean keeping your head out of a hole. And foolish...tell that to those who made the prgramme, not me..positive instruction to those who want to ride which is structured and considered thought through by many experts in the field much more qualified than you or me is certainly not foolish IMO. I'm saying the idea of compulsion is foolish, in my opinion -- not you, not those offering training. The "idea". We have got through so far without wide ranging courses, and maybe we will continue to do so, but if you get great joy out of crucifying me for telling you that it is on the cards in the minds of some who can influence decisions about who does and doesnt get on our roads, I'm tough, I can accept it, I'm happy to be your whipping boy, so go ahead and shoot the messengers. Don't take it personally -- again, I said I thought the idea of compulsion is foolish. No whipping boy needed, no fixie-riders need be shot. Would it not be better to have some contriubution to this either by suggesting positive alternatives or positive amendments from which we can achieve outcomes for all road users benefit. It would indeed. But sometimes rejecting a bad idea is a positive thing to do. Not many in this forum dont want more riders on the roads ( other than lurkers from rec.auto etc. perhaps) so why enouragement to things which enhance novice riders skills and confidence is not a positive escapes me, you want to leave it to what it has been, Rafferty's rules, learn the hard way, get out there, just do it...and wonder why some sectors of the road users direct consternation at us all when things go pear shaped. You're attacking a straw man. I see decent training as a good thing. Hell, I make a good proportion of my living as a trainer. But this is what you actually said: "I am not talking registration, but a simple level of approved competency and skill that wouldnt hurt everyone, before they can ride on the road ." That's "before they can ride on the road". Mandatory. And mo "Extend it to producing that qualification when you buy or hire a bicycle of a capability for road use." That's no certificate, no can even buy a bike. And those ideas, in my opinion, are foolish. Moreover, I haven't see any great acclamation for them here from others. -- Shane Stanley |
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Unsafe at any speed?-Path beside Beach Rd
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cfsmtb wrote: No you've missed the original point, you're simply making a spurious assumption about some future scenario and playing the pedant police. No, I'm replying to what rooman wrote. There's no pedantry involved: his original statement was unequivocal. Shane Stanley Wrote: I don't know that anyone disagrees, although I'm still curious about what, exactly, is being taught, and by whom. Here's an existing Victorian service provider, ask them: http://www.wilcareservices.com.au/ Thank you. Your concentration is lapsing, it seems you are having difficulty realising you are responding to different individuals. Guilty as charged in this case. -- Shane Stanley |
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On 2007-04-30, Paul Yates (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: "Shane Stanley" wrote in message ... In article , cfsmtb wrote: snip Stranger things have happened. Rather than the good old days when it was 'look left, look right, look left again' before crossing the road it is now 'drive 40kph past schools' and if you are lucky a kid will not run in front of your car inside the distance that driving at 40kph allows for you to stop. I'd imagine being hit by a car at 40kph has much the same effect as at 60. Well you'd be wrong then, wouldn't you? The canonical figure I seem to recall reported, that I have run out of evening to be able to cite, is that the mortality rate for pedestrian vehicle collisions below 40km/h is 5% or so, and for above 40km/h, 80% or more. My google fu isn't strong enough tonight. You could probably integrate under the curve in figure 2 of below to come up with a sensible answer yourself: http://www.raisethehammer.org/index.asp?id=073 1 tone of metal vs 50kg of squishy human is even fatal in drive ways these days at way under 5kph. If you manage to get under a wheel and the driver doesn't detect you until too late. We almost hit an echidna tonight. I'm going to spend the rest of the week before going on nights, going home at in the early evening. Always scares me on this road. Appanently the bus driver only just missed an eagle feasting on a roo this morning, but I was too engrossed in my book to notice. -- TimC ATC: Airliner 123, turn right 20 degrees for noise abatement. A123: Noise abatement? We are at FL310. ATC: Do you know how much noise it makes when two 737s collide? A123: Airliner 123 is turning right 20 degrees. -- John Clear in ASR |
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TimC wrote:
I could swear last time I saw her, her seat height was further down than I set it for her. Err, have you taught her how to stop properly. No 1 reason for seat being too low. |
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In aus.bicycle on Tue, 01 May 2007 01:40:08 +1000
Terryc wrote: TimC wrote: I could swear last time I saw her, her seat height was further down than I set it for her. Err, have you taught her how to stop properly. No 1 reason for seat being too low. Except peace of mind really. I can see how someone might want to feel they can just put their feet down without having to lean over or get off the saddle. Sure - low seats are not good for pedalling, but how many prefer peace of mind? Zebee |
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On May 1, 5:38 am, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
In aus.bicycle on Tue, 01 May 2007 01:40:08 +1000 Terryc wrote: TimC wrote: I could swear last time I saw her, her seat height was further down than I set it for her. Err, have you taught her how to stop properly. No 1 reason for seat being too low. Except peace of mind really. I can see how someone might want to feel they can just put their feet down without having to lean over or get off the saddle. Sure - low seats are not good for pedalling, but how many prefer peace of mind? and broken knee? |
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Zebee Johnstone wrote:
Sure - low seats are not good for pedalling, but how many prefer peace of mind? Yawn. |
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rooman Wrote: Incorrect again, all qualified Coaches of the CycleSkill programme may offer instruction in the Public Domain. many already do that. others also act under the auspices of a club prgramme. If they do it under the guise of a club and require participants to join, then they get CA insurance protection automatically, is that a problem?. They also have the right to take this structured course into the wider community and arrange their own cover as required. You are too CSV centric in that interpretation, and whislt no doubt they ( CSV etc)would like to see clubs follow this through and grow memberships of fee paying people ( and thereby people covered by their insurance which is hellish cheap). Not incorrect Rooman - you note yourself the bias in my reply,which was totally correct for the context. Anyone, qualified or not, can coach in the public domain. No need for a SkillCycle coach licence to do that. Did Ron not teach you that when you run a SkillCycle program, there is a fee involved for participants, that acts as temporary CA/CSV/NSWCA (or whatever its called) etc membership and this allows insurance coverage? And yes, as the discussion was regarding CSV's coaching programs, then naturally my response would be CSV focused. Is that a problem????? -- warrwych |
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Paul Yates Wrote: "EuanB" wrote in message ... snip I know that people very close to important decision makers in Government are seriously looking at many aspects of cycling, its benefits, limitations and effects across society, industry and the economy. Part of their concern and advice is what needs to be done to improving cycling training. snip rooman Wrote: those who are too lazy to take to the bike if they have to get accreditation will also probably be too lazy to actually seriously ride a bike after they got one if they didnt have to get accreditation... they will be obese unfit souls anyway, no loss to the cycling numbers really, just a loss to their families and friends due to their own level of inertia... snip rooman Wrote: IMO it is worth it... offering skills and competence to build confidence and awareness and encourage riders to ride is more positive than sticking ones head in the sand and saying "oh for f$csk sake why bother- we might get a few fat ar$e$ who refuse to do the course and so wont ride...ever..." Please tell me you're not serious? You really want less people cycling? That's the way to do it all right. snip All mandatory training will do is discourage people from riding. I don't know of any other country where it's neccessary so why Australia? snip Generic training? Bike specific? BMX, MTN, road, 8 speed, 30 speed, dedcending at 70kph, track stands, foot brakes, hand brakes, shifters on down tube, STI shifters, grip ****s, recumbents, single speeds, single track, time trial style bikes, dragsters, city riding, night riding? Assuming somone can ride in a straight line and avoid obstacles, stop effectively, bunny hop, track stand at the lights and chide aberent motorists, then what more is there to learn for your average cyclist?? Licencing of cyclists would imply registration and number plates... I think to go down that path is political suicide based on bicycle sales outstripping cage sales for the last x nuber of years. P turn left, turn right (cornering) turning your head to look behind you both sides, riding one handed, riding one handed and turning your head to look behind both left and right, riding one handed and indicating/signalling, riding one handed to take a drink, adjust clothing etc. Stay on upright and continue to ride ahead in a straight line when bumped or leant upon.. o.. and how to dress properly I am looking forward to Rooman's School of Bicycling, where he provides free bicycling education for the masses. Wonder which insurance company will cover him on his SkillCycle licence?? -- warrwych |
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In aus.bicycle on 30 Apr 2007 14:56:59 -0700
Bleve wrote: On May 1, 5:38 am, Zebee Johnstone wrote: In aus.bicycle on Tue, 01 May 2007 01:40:08 +1000 Sure - low seats are not good for pedalling, but how many prefer peace of mind? and broken knee? So you tell them... do they believe? short term comfort against possible (but doubted) long term damage... ask any smoker. Zebee |
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