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On 15/04/2014 13:37, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote On 14/04/2014 20:50, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote On 14/04/2014 00:29, TMS320 wrote: (*) To that end, I have just discovered that Specsavers sell ear plugs with a variety of characteristics. Now, should I go for music or motorbike... Suddenly losing one of your senses is one of the worst and most dangerous things any road user can suffer, to do it voluntarily smacks of stupidity. Quite. I value my hearing and should like to keep it in good order. The use of headphones by cyclists has been a factor in many crashes leading to deaths or serious injuries. It cannot be denied that cyclists wearing headphones have been involved in crashes. Who says it was a factor? So go right ahead. Plugs do not reduce sound to nothing! Perceiving and interpreting sound is not a matter of the louder the better. Plugs reduce both foreground and background a similar amount so relationship is retained. If plugs can be tuned then there is no reason why perception can't be improved. coroners say it was a factor. Have you seen the transcripts? Or is it, perhaps, that you read something written by a journalist? And arrived at your own conclusion. I think it is up to the cyclist to determine whether the senses are compromised. Wouldn't you? Not a difficult thing to do. Cyclists are too stupid to make up their own minds in a sensible fashion with regard to safety, so they need to be forced to do things. A google search for headphones and cyclists will show up many crashes where the headphones are a factor, I see no reason to disbelieve the findings of a coroner as reported in the press. There are moves afoot in London to ban cycling with headphones, I am sure there must be a good reason for that, it seems unlikley that it would be randomly chosen for enforcement without reason or cause. |
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"Mrcheerful" wrote On 15/04/2014 13:37, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote On 14/04/2014 20:50, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote On 14/04/2014 00:29, TMS320 wrote: (*) To that end, I have just discovered that Specsavers sell ear plugs with a variety of characteristics. Now, should I go for music or motorbike... Suddenly losing one of your senses is one of the worst and most dangerous things any road user can suffer, to do it voluntarily smacks of stupidity. Quite. I value my hearing and should like to keep it in good order. The use of headphones by cyclists has been a factor in many crashes leading to deaths or serious injuries. It cannot be denied that cyclists wearing headphones have been involved in crashes. Who says it was a factor? So go right ahead. Plugs do not reduce sound to nothing! Perceiving and interpreting sound is not a matter of the louder the better. Plugs reduce both foreground and background a similar amount so relationship is retained. If plugs can be tuned then there is no reason why perception can't be improved. coroners say it was a factor. Have you seen the transcripts? Or is it, perhaps, that you read something written by a journalist? And arrived at your own conclusion. I think it is up to the cyclist to determine whether the senses are compromised. Wouldn't you? Not a difficult thing to do. Cyclists are too stupid to make up their own minds in a sensible fashion with regard to safety, so they need to be forced to do things. If that was true, you would have a lot more bodies to talk about. Luck doesn't work very well for staying alive on the roads. A google search for headphones and cyclists will show up many crashes where the headphones are a factor, When I search, the top entry is about something that happened in 2010. (And as described, it has the classic hallmarks of an eye problem - similar to the one that also afflicts a lot of non-cycling road users.) What search term do you suggest? I see no reason to disbelieve the findings of a coroner as reported in the press. OK, so you've arrived at your own conclusion. There are moves afoot in London to ban cycling with headphones, Looks more like a knee jerk proposal to appease the ignorant masses... I am sure there must be a good reason for that, it seems unlikley that it would be randomly chosen for enforcement without reason or cause. ....and having jerked their knees it seems they're now running around looking for some evidence to suggest a link. |
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On 15/04/2014 20:21, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote On 15/04/2014 13:37, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote On 14/04/2014 20:50, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote On 14/04/2014 00:29, TMS320 wrote: (*) To that end, I have just discovered that Specsavers sell ear plugs with a variety of characteristics. Now, should I go for music or motorbike... Suddenly losing one of your senses is one of the worst and most dangerous things any road user can suffer, to do it voluntarily smacks of stupidity. Quite. I value my hearing and should like to keep it in good order. The use of headphones by cyclists has been a factor in many crashes leading to deaths or serious injuries. It cannot be denied that cyclists wearing headphones have been involved in crashes. Who says it was a factor? So go right ahead. Plugs do not reduce sound to nothing! Perceiving and interpreting sound is not a matter of the louder the better. Plugs reduce both foreground and background a similar amount so relationship is retained. If plugs can be tuned then there is no reason why perception can't be improved. coroners say it was a factor. Have you seen the transcripts? Or is it, perhaps, that you read something written by a journalist? And arrived at your own conclusion. I think it is up to the cyclist to determine whether the senses are compromised. Wouldn't you? Not a difficult thing to do. Cyclists are too stupid to make up their own minds in a sensible fashion with regard to safety, so they need to be forced to do things. If that was true, you would have a lot more bodies to talk about. Luck doesn't work very well for staying alive on the roads. A google search for headphones and cyclists will show up many crashes where the headphones are a factor, When I search, the top entry is about something that happened in 2010. (And as described, it has the classic hallmarks of an eye problem - similar to the one that also afflicts a lot of non-cycling road users.) What search term do you suggest? I see no reason to disbelieve the findings of a coroner as reported in the press. OK, so you've arrived at your own conclusion. There are moves afoot in London to ban cycling with headphones, Looks more like a knee jerk proposal to appease the ignorant masses... I am sure there must be a good reason for that, it seems unlikley that it would be randomly chosen for enforcement without reason or cause. ...and having jerked their knees it seems they're now running around looking for some evidence to suggest a link. a cyclist went under a train just a couple of months ago, he was wearing headphones, two other people shouted at him to stop, but he could not hear them. One incident like that is too many, but there are others. However, I am certain that you know best, cyclists always do. |
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"Mrcheerful" wrote
On 15/04/2014 20:21, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote There are moves afoot in London to ban cycling with headphones, Looks more like a knee jerk proposal to appease the ignorant masses... I am sure there must be a good reason for that, it seems unlikley that it would be randomly chosen for enforcement without reason or cause. ...and having jerked their knees it seems they're now running around looking for some evidence to suggest a link. a cyclist went under a train just a couple of months ago, he was wearing headphones, two other people shouted at him to stop, but he could not hear them. One incident like that is too many, but there are others. What has being on a bike got to do with it? It was obviously the same eye problem that a lot of people have. However, I am certain that you know best, Thank you. cyclists always do There is something even more certain than that; nobody ever takes advice from a busybody. |
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On 16/04/2014 09:35, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote On 15/04/2014 20:21, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote There are moves afoot in London to ban cycling with headphones, Looks more like a knee jerk proposal to appease the ignorant masses... I am sure there must be a good reason for that, it seems unlikley that it would be randomly chosen for enforcement without reason or cause. ...and having jerked their knees it seems they're now running around looking for some evidence to suggest a link. a cyclist went under a train just a couple of months ago, he was wearing headphones, two other people shouted at him to stop, but he could not hear them. One incident like that is too many, but there are others. What has being on a bike got to do with it? It was obviously the same eye problem that a lot of people have. However, I am certain that you know best, Thank you. cyclists always do There is something even more certain than that; nobody ever takes advice from a busybody. the cyclist did not hear the train horn, nor the shouts, do you think he might have heard without headphones? I do. The coroner did. Your last sentence proves the need for legislation, you evidently do not know best. Behaving like a spoilt brat with a God complex seems to be cyclist modus operandi. |
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On 15/04/2014 13:37, TMS320 wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote On 14/04/2014 20:50, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote On 14/04/2014 00:29, TMS320 wrote: (*) To that end, I have just discovered that Specsavers sell ear plugs with a variety of characteristics. Now, should I go for music or motorbike... Suddenly losing one of your senses is one of the worst and most dangerous things any road user can suffer, to do it voluntarily smacks of stupidity. Quite. I value my hearing and should like to keep it in good order. The use of headphones by cyclists has been a factor in many crashes leading to deaths or serious injuries. It cannot be denied that cyclists wearing headphones have been involved in crashes. Who says it was a factor? So go right ahead. Plugs do not reduce sound to nothing! Perceiving and interpreting sound is not a matter of the louder the better. Plugs reduce both foreground and background a similar amount so relationship is retained. If plugs can be tuned then there is no reason why perception can't be improved. coroners say it was a factor. Have you seen the transcripts? Or is it, perhaps, that you read something written by a journalist? And arrived at your own conclusion. I think it is up to the cyclist to determine whether the senses are compromised. Wouldn't you? Not a difficult thing to do. Cyclists senses are always compromised. -- Dave - Cyclists VORC Bicycles are for Children. Like masturbation, something you should grow out of. There is something seriously sick and stunted about grown men who want to ride a bike." |
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"Mrcheerful" wrote in message ... On 16/04/2014 09:35, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote On 15/04/2014 20:21, TMS320 wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote There are moves afoot in London to ban cycling with headphones, Looks more like a knee jerk proposal to appease the ignorant masses... I am sure there must be a good reason for that, it seems unlikley that it would be randomly chosen for enforcement without reason or cause. ...and having jerked their knees it seems they're now running around looking for some evidence to suggest a link. a cyclist went under a train just a couple of months ago, he was wearing headphones, two other people shouted at him to stop, but he could not hear them. One incident like that is too many, but there are others. What has being on a bike got to do with it? It was obviously the same eye problem that a lot of people have. However, I am certain that you know best, Thank you. cyclists always do There is something even more certain than that; nobody ever takes advice from a busybody. the cyclist did not hear the train horn, nor the shouts, do you think he might have heard without headphones? I do. The coroner did. So what is the particular relevance with riding bicycles? (And for goodness sake do try harder than "this is a cycling newsgroup".) But thank you for your advice. The next time I find myself unexpectedly teleported onto a railway track, I shall try to remember to look out for trains. Your last sentence proves the need for legislation, you evidently do not know best. Something seems to make you think you know best. Behaving like a spoilt brat with a God complex seems to be cyclist modus operandi. You are the one that wants to interfere, yet accuse me of playing god? You really haven't thought this through. Yesterday I tried the effect of putting cotton wool in one ear. The one affected by the moron with the horn a couple of weeks ago had not fully recovered before being irritated by a sore throat. I have been in the habit for several years of using cotton wool or noise cancelling in-ear phones (without music) to take the edge off noisy places. First time on the bike. Yes, it improved perception - I found I could more easily separate out the sounds of individual vehicles. I expect a reduction in wind noise was the significant factor. It also helps reinforce what I already knew. Vehicle noise is only a useful aid on roads with light motor traffic. In town, it gives little value. So it looks like there's potential for more tuning - to cut as much vehicle noise as possible but try to avoid losing the properly important stuff, such as birds singing, rustling leaves, jogger's feet on tarmac, the snick of the bicycle chain and so on. |
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:08:53 +0100, "TMS320" wrote:
snip the cyclist did not hear the train horn, nor the shouts, do you think he might have heard without headphones? I do. The coroner did. So what is the particular relevance with riding bicycles? Here is just a tiny little clue: Was the person who did not hear the train horn, a pedestrian, a horse-rider, or a cyclist? Can you perhaps try and work that out for us? |
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"TMS320" writes:
(*) To that end, I have just discovered that Specsavers sell ear plugs with a variety of characteristics. Now, should I go for music or motorbike... Suddenly losing one of your senses is one of the worst and most dangerous things any road user can suffer, to do it voluntarily smacks of stupidity. Quite. I value my hearing and should like to keep it in good order. Exactly p.net). I use noise cancelling earphones which are set up to filter out much of the whine of motorists and my hearing is doing just fine, thank you. If I didn't use them, I might well be cycling around deaf instead. Now there would be something for Mr. Cheerful to be cheerful about :-)! The use of headphones by cyclists has been a factor in many crashes leading to deaths or serious injuries. It cannot be denied that cyclists wearing headphones have been involved in crashes. Who says it was a factor? The `dead cat on the table' brigade (URL:http://departmentfortransport ..wordpress.com/2013/11/27/boris-johnson-is-an-arsehole/) are wont to claim it as a factor even when the cyclist wasn't wearing headphones. They are almost invariably making it up to misdirect attention away from the actual source of the danger. This tactic has been and will continue to be very successful while there are a surfeit of gullible people. So go right ahead. Plugs do not reduce sound to nothing! Perceiving and interpreting sound is not a matter of the louder the better. Plugs reduce both foreground and background a similar amount so relationship is retained. If plugs can be tuned then there is no reason why perception can't be improved. Even passive earphones are of benefit (URL:http://rideons.wordpress.com /2012/07/09/an-ear-on-the-traffic/), but active noise cancelling headphones are more sophisticated than that. They reduce the external frequencies to a narrow[er] range of volumes such that they do not conflict with the internal frequencies of any audio playing. The only time when this is potentially confusing is when one is listening to a realistic recording of traffic whilst walking/ cycling/ motoring in traffic. -- Mark |
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