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City Of London Police - more baffling prioritising.
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:41:41 -0700 someone who may be spindrift
quoted this:- The cops' email: OPERATION CUB The main focus was on 4 Hotspot Public road locations, Holborn Circus, Ludgate Circus, Aldersgate Street and Newgate Street Police officers were deployed to the above locations between the relevant times as they could deal with all offences committed on a public road. Incorrect. It is clear that they were not dealing with all offences, just those committed by cyclists. The second point to come out of the de-brief was in relation to the Grand Avenue location. City Police and the market constables need to have a more of a partnership approach to cyclists committing offences at the location. The main issue is: In Grand Avenue the enforceable signs are the two red circles on white background at each side of both ends of the road. Those signs mean 'No vehicles' which includes bicycles, Except those which are being pushed. and also applies to all the other (market?) vehicles in the road. The offence of passing those signs is decriminalized with regard to motor vehicles, but is still a criminal offence (FPN) with regard to cyclists. In other words the dibbles are to ignore motorist offences while picking on cyclists. No wonder cyclists are ****ed off. Still it's good to see that crime in central London is so low that the police have enough time to pick on cyclists in this way. Central London must be a paradise. Now that the winter evenings are drawing in it had come to the notice of officers that there is a sizeable proportion of cyclists that are cycling without lights on their bicycles. There is nothing illegal in doing so. It only becomes illegal if they do so between (roughly) sunset and sunrise. In the past we have run an operation where cyclists were issued NEFPN's for having no lights on their cycles. If some fool tried to issue one of these outwith sunset to sunrise the victim should create a big fuss about petty officials acting outside the law. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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City Of London Police - more baffling prioritising.
"David Hansen" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:41:41 -0700 someone who may be spindrift quoted this:- The cops' email: OPERATION CUB The main focus was on 4 Hotspot Public road locations, Holborn Circus, Ludgate Circus, Aldersgate Street and Newgate Street Police officers were deployed to the above locations between the relevant times as they could deal with all offences committed on a public road. Incorrect. It is clear that they were not dealing with all offences, just those committed by cyclists. The second point to come out of the de-brief was in relation to the Grand Avenue location. City Police and the market constables need to have a more of a partnership approach to cyclists committing offences at the location. The main issue is: In Grand Avenue the enforceable signs are the two red circles on white background at each side of both ends of the road. Those signs mean 'No vehicles' which includes bicycles, Except those which are being pushed. and also applies to all the other (market?) vehicles in the road. The offence of passing those signs is decriminalized with regard to motor vehicles, but is still a criminal offence (FPN) with regard to cyclists. In other words the dibbles are to ignore motorist offences while picking on cyclists. No wonder cyclists are ****ed off. Still it's good to see that crime in central London is so low that the police have enough time to pick on cyclists in this way. Central London must be a paradise. Now that the winter evenings are drawing in it had come to the notice of officers that there is a sizeable proportion of cyclists that are cycling without lights on their bicycles. There is nothing illegal in doing so. It only becomes illegal if they do so between (roughly) sunset and sunrise. In the past we have run an operation where cyclists were issued NEFPN's for having no lights on their cycles. If some fool tried to issue one of these outwith sunset to sunrise the victim should create a big fuss about petty officials acting outside the law. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 As an occasional "illegal" cyclist - i.e, pavement, the bit between cycle paths, quiet pedestrian areas, etc. - I feel I have reverted to my child hood in keeping a 360deg scan for bright yellow jackets. This is like watching for the "parkie" .... does anyone remember this? There's almost an unwritten rule among cyclists in my town centre to tip each other off where the police are..... This is ridiculous and I think it is a symptom of the police taking the easy option to "up" their statistics and look as if they are doing something useful. So cycling is encouraged, everyone's fitter with a huge green footprint, and we get hit with petty byelaws and the threat of compulsory protective wear! At the same time, they seem unable to cope with the levels of real crime and vandalism because they are too busy filling in forms! Next thing, I suppose, will be getting caught on the ubiquitous Big Brother cameras! This country has gone mad! B |
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Barb wrote:
"David Hansen" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:41:41 -0700 someone who may be spindrift quoted this:- The cops' email: OPERATION CUB The main focus was on 4 Hotspot Public road locations, Holborn Circus, Ludgate Circus, Aldersgate Street and Newgate Street Police officers were deployed to the above locations between the relevant times as they could deal with all offences committed on a public road. Incorrect. It is clear that they were not dealing with all offences, just those committed by cyclists. The second point to come out of the de-brief was in relation to the Grand Avenue location. City Police and the market constables need to have a more of a partnership approach to cyclists committing offences at the location. The main issue is: In Grand Avenue the enforceable signs are the two red circles on white background at each side of both ends of the road. Those signs mean 'No vehicles' which includes bicycles, Except those which are being pushed. and also applies to all the other (market?) vehicles in the road. The offence of passing those signs is decriminalized with regard to motor vehicles, but is still a criminal offence (FPN) with regard to cyclists. In other words the dibbles are to ignore motorist offences while picking on cyclists. No wonder cyclists are ****ed off. Still it's good to see that crime in central London is so low that the police have enough time to pick on cyclists in this way. Central London must be a paradise. Now that the winter evenings are drawing in it had come to the notice of officers that there is a sizeable proportion of cyclists that are cycling without lights on their bicycles. There is nothing illegal in doing so. It only becomes illegal if they do so between (roughly) sunset and sunrise. In the past we have run an operation where cyclists were issued NEFPN's for having no lights on their cycles. If some fool tried to issue one of these outwith sunset to sunrise the victim should create a big fuss about petty officials acting outside the law. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 As an occasional "illegal" cyclist - i.e, pavement, the bit between cycle paths, quiet pedestrian areas, etc. - I feel I have reverted to my child hood in keeping a 360deg scan for bright yellow jackets. This is like watching for the "parkie" .... does anyone remember this? There's almost an unwritten rule among cyclists in my town centre to tip each other off where the police are..... LOL. parkie ;o) This is ridiculous and I think it is a symptom of the police taking the easy option to "up" their statistics and look as if they are doing something useful. So cycling is encouraged, everyone's fitter with a huge green footprint, and we get hit with petty byelaws and the threat of compulsory protective wear! At the same time, they seem unable to cope with the levels of real crime and vandalism because they are too busy filling in forms! Next thing, I suppose, will be getting caught on the ubiquitous Big Brother cameras! This country has gone mad! Chill out its only "parkie". Its not like anyone takes any notice or as if it would make any difference if "parkie" was fighting serious crime. As an old timer I'm all in favour of the occasional bottom inspection at least it makes people think a bit. B |
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Barb wrote:
As an occasional "illegal" cyclist - i.e, pavement, the bit between cycle paths, quiet pedestrian areas, etc. - I feel I have reverted to my child hood in keeping a 360deg scan for bright yellow jackets. This is like watching for the "parkie" .... does anyone remember this? There's almost an unwritten rule among cyclists in my town centre to tip each other off where the police are..... This is ridiculous and I think it is a symptom of the police taking the easy option to "up" their statistics and look as if they are doing something useful. So cycling is encouraged, everyone's fitter with a huge green footprint, and we get hit with petty byelaws and the threat of compulsory protective wear! At the same time, they seem unable to cope with the levels of real crime and vandalism because they are too busy filling in forms! Next thing, I suppose, will be getting caught on the ubiquitous Big Brother cameras! This country has gone mad! But this is dangerously close to the motorists defense - why pick on me when there's others doing far worse. Or perhaps you are being a subtle troll. |
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Tony Raven wrote:
In article , lid says... This is ridiculous and I think it is a symptom of the police taking the easy option to "up" their statistics and look as if they are doing something useful. No, its evidence that the system is institutionally anti-cyclist. You get a £300 fine in London for killing a cyclist with your truck while rummaging through your paperwork (the Emma Foa case) while according to yesterday's Evening Standard, they are planning to introduce a £100 spot fine for cycling on the pavement in London, an activity that kills one person every four years in the whole of the UK. And, as far as I can tell, no fines for driving your vehicle onto the pavement (typically used to park, sometimes used to squeeze past other vehicles, and no doubt other cases). -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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Nigel Cliffe wrote:
Tony Raven wrote: In article , says... This is ridiculous and I think it is a symptom of the police taking the easy option to "up" their statistics and look as if they are doing something useful. No, its evidence that the system is institutionally anti-cyclist. You get a £300 fine in London for killing a cyclist with your truck while rummaging through your paperwork (the Emma Foa case) while according to yesterday's Evening Standard, they are planning to introduce a £100 spot fine for cycling on the pavement in London, an activity that kills one person every four years in the whole of the UK. And, as far as I can tell, no fines for driving your vehicle onto the pavement (typically used to park, sometimes used to squeeze past other vehicles, and no doubt other cases). Do cyclists ever get fined for parking on the "pavement"? Or are the fines mentioned here imposed for cycling along the footway in normal progress rather than cycling along the carriageway? IOW, isn't this apples and oranges? |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:58:25 +0100, "Nigel Cliffe"
wrote: Tony Raven wrote: In article , lid says... This is ridiculous and I think it is a symptom of the police taking the easy option to "up" their statistics and look as if they are doing something useful. No, its evidence that the system is institutionally anti-cyclist. You get a £300 fine in London for killing a cyclist with your truck while rummaging through your paperwork (the Emma Foa case) while according to yesterday's Evening Standard, they are planning to introduce a £100 spot fine for cycling on the pavement in London, an activity that kills one person every four years in the whole of the UK. And, as far as I can tell, no fines for driving your vehicle onto the pavement (typically used to park, sometimes used to squeeze past other vehicles, and no doubt other cases). The injuries from damaged pavements are both numerous and severe. The fact that motor vehicles do most of the damage seems to be completely overlooked: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/147195.stm "One estimate suggests you are 10 times more likely to end up in hospital from a pavement fall than from being hit by a vehicle. And in many cases the injuries are as severe as those suffered in road crashes." I wonder if anyone has similarly reliable numbers on the injuries caused by the far more visible (but I would expect far less dangerous) crime of pavement cycling? |
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On Oct 18, 8:58 am, "Nigel Cliffe" wrote:
Tony Raven wrote: In article , says... This is ridiculous and I think it is a symptom of the police taking the easy option to "up" their statistics and look as if they are doing something useful. No, its evidence that the system is institutionally anti-cyclist. You get a £300 fine in London for killing a cyclist with your truck while rummaging through your paperwork (the Emma Foa case) while according to yesterday's Evening Standard, they are planning to introduce a £100 spot fine for cycling on the pavement in London, an activity that kills one person every four years in the whole of the UK. And, as far as I can tell, no fines for driving your vehicle onto the pavement (typically used to park, sometimes used to squeeze past other vehicles, and no doubt other cases). -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster athttp://www.2mm.org.uk/ and what about "squeezing past" on the pavement on a bicycle, something I frequently do on Finchley Road to get past a blockage, particularly on the approach to traffic lights to get a front position. Sometimes I also cross to the opposite carriageway to achieve that. By the way I work not that far from Holborn Circus and Ludgate Circus. I don't recall police checking vehicles near Ludgate Circus when I was around there but did have a run in with a traffic cop who was overruling the lights when I was trying to cross and was not allowing me to pass, until I lost my patience and dismounted and ran across the junction then re-mounted, as well as unleashing a few words, at which point the male cop on the other side asked if I wanted to be arrested and I replied "you have to catch me first" as I rode off towards Blackfriars (and he was on foot). I did see a few police on bicycles at Holborn Circus a few days ago. I wasn't on my bike at the time as this was lunch-time, and I think he was issuing tickets. Actually Holborn Circus is a junction where it generally makes little sense not to obey the signals, unlike the junction a little further West with Grays Inn Road, for which the cyclists route up to the left-turn is often blocked, in addition to the fact that cyclists will often continue ahead westbound on Holborn when the light is red for them because traffic is only merging from the right and it is therefore usually safe to do so. For those who do not know Holborn Circus it is a junction with 6 roads and 3 different phases, one for each opposite pair. Of these roads, Holborn / Holborn Viaduct is the most major of the roads on the junction. Although New Fetter Lane is technically the A4 it is not really a big road, and that is opposite Charterhouse Street which takes you towards Smithfields. The other roads are Hatton Garden and St Andrews Street. |
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