Nairn child cyclist death -- Training?

"spindrift" wrote in message
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Agreed again.

Once more, Howard says it far better than I can:

I would argue that these sort of incidents will continue as long as
motorists in general believe that they have some sort of god-given
'right' to drive where and almost however they please and that
etc etc ................

who have no respect for the law and the well-being of others. As such
the anti-speed control mob are complicit in ensuring that crimes like
the one in that BBC report will continue to happen.



I couldn't agree more or have said it better.

Thank you Spindrift. Spot on.

On Drivers.........

I always think 'they' need to have people certified to drive on grounds of
attitude and temprament. There are too many drivers on the road who are
really mentally unfit to drive at all.

On Cyclists...........

In the '80s I was a ROSPA trainer at a school but found that the little
angels who had all ridden so carefully raced of after trainin riding all
over the place and cutting corners. It is one thing to train children but
another to get them to apply what they have learnt on the road!




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On 26 Feb, 21:10, "Stanley" wrote:
"spindrift" wrote in message

oups.com...

Agreed again.

Once more, Howard says it far better than I can:

I would argue that these sort of incidents will continue as long as
motorists in general believe that they have some sort of god-given
'right' to drive where and almost however they please and that
etc etc ................

who have no respect for the law and the well-being of others. As such
the anti-speed control mob are complicit in ensuring that crimes like
the one in that BBC report will continue to happen.

I couldn't agree more or have said it better.

Thank you Spindrift. Spot on.

On Drivers.........

I always think 'they' need to have people certified to drive on grounds of
attitude and temprament. There are too many drivers on the road who are
really mentally unfit to drive at all.

On Cyclists...........

In the '80s I was a ROSPA trainer at a school but found that the little
angels who had all ridden so carefully raced of after trainin riding all
over the place and cutting corners. It is one thing to train children but
another to get them to apply what they have learnt on the road!

--
Derby, England.

Don't try to email me using "REPLY" as the email address is NoSpam. Our
email address is "thewoodies2 at ntlworld dot com"


Interesting update on the charmer who killed four when he nodded off
at the wheel.

After being charged he was placed in a cell and was fast asleep in
fifteen minutes.

Following on from Stanley's message. . .
On Cyclists...........

In the '80s I was a ROSPA trainer at a school but found that the little
angels who had all ridden so carefully raced of after trainin riding all
over the place and cutting corners. It is one thing to train children but
another to get them to apply what they have learnt on the road!

Thanks for that fantastic observation. I'll have it written in large
letters and sent to the Essex road safety twerps who think playgrounds
are where to learn cycling. The very essence of Cycling Deficiency -
Thanks.

BTW Chelmsford Council were advertising for Cycling Deficiency staff :-
No cycling ability necessary.




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On 2007-02-27 09:12:41 +0000, Peter Fox
said:

Following on from Stanley's message. . .
On Cyclists...........

In the '80s I was a ROSPA trainer at a school but found that the little
angels who had all ridden so carefully raced of after trainin riding all
over the place and cutting corners. It is one thing to train children but
another to get them to apply what they have learnt on the road!

Thanks for that fantastic observation. I'll have it written in large
letters and sent to the Essex road safety twerps who think playgrounds
are where to learn cycling. The very essence of Cycling Deficiency -
Thanks.

BTW Chelmsford Council were advertising for Cycling Deficiency staff :-
No cycling ability necessary.

It worked for me and many like me, but hell yes, better to do nothing at all.
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Three wheels good, two wheels ok

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in message , Niall Wallace
') wrote:

Motor manslaughter
Because of a reluctance by juries to convict when the charge was
manslaughter, a statutory offence of "causing death by dangerous driving"
was introduced.

That is really depressing. Yes, if, on the whole, jurors think it's OK to
kill people with a car, changing the law really doesn't help.

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(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Due to financial constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel
has been switched off.

On 2007-02-27 10:49:26 +0000, Simon Brooke said:

in message , Niall Wallace
') wrote:

Motor manslaughter
Because of a reluctance by juries to convict when the charge was
manslaughter, a statutory offence of "causing death by dangerous driving"
was introduced.

That is really depressing. Yes, if, on the whole, jurors think it's OK to
kill people with a car, changing the law really doesn't help.

Then there needs to be a massive public re-education, unfortunately most
people drive so jurors must be thinking how easily it could be them in the
dock, I used to drive huge mileages every year and still do above average
yet I have never run anyone down, I had a twonk blowing his horn at me the
other day because I was going slow, why? Because I had seed a small child
walking on the pavement behind a parked car, it isn't hard to see a potential
victim and drive accordingly, so I cannot see how it could easily be me in
the dock, manslaughter it should be.

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On 26 Feb, 15:03, Matt B wrote:
Pinky wrote:

It is a peculiarity of our laws that so many people who kill others are not
charged with manslaughter and get a token "slap on the wrist".

Because motoring peculiarly has had a raft of "special" laws created for
it. If these special laws, which do not require the same burden of
proof as manslaughter, were removed, then the manslaughter charge would
probably become more common. The prosecutors would rather any
conviction than no conviction - so choose the path most likely to
achieve that - and that is usually the one requiring least proof.

Is there anything to stop prosecutors putting serveral grades of
offence to the jusy, and asking them to decide if the person is guilty
of e.g. manslaughter, dangerous driving, careless driving, or nothing?

TL