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ctc and motorcycles
Following on from the problems recently discussed about John Snow as
the new ctc president, I have to point out my considerable displeasure with the ctc's position on motorbikes. http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4790 This is currently causing justifiable derision amongst the motorcycling community and its not hard to see why. The ctc's position shows classic cyclist inferiority complex. I will not be renewing my membership when it falls due and recommend that others do likewise. Indeed, as the organisation appears to be highly commercially (gr?) motivated, a significant reduction in membership which is explicitly due to this outrageous policy should soon bring them to heel. The anti-motorcycling arguments on the link are unsustainable and should be removed and the ctc's campaigning should be amended accordingly. |
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On 22 Mar, 20:29, "raisethe" wrote:
Following on from the problems recently discussed about John Snow as the new ctc president, I have to point out my considerable displeasure with the ctc's position on motorbikes. Well I have to say I agree with banning motorbikes from bus lanes. As far as "motorcycle use will undermine efforts to promote cycling, not only because those switching to motorcycling might otherwise have switched to a healthier, safer and cleaner alternative (e.g. cycling)" that sounds like nonsense to me. Motorbiking like cycling is largely a choice in which various factors are considered. Personally I have no problems with motorbikes. All the scary moments I can think of have involved cars, buses and hgvs. As far as motorbikes being polluters so what? All motor vehicles pollute and I don't think the CTC should be getting involved in any argument about which class of motor vehicles is better than the other. Iain |
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raisethe wrote:
Following on from the problems recently discussed about John Snow as the new ctc president, I have to point out my considerable displeasure with the ctc's position on motorbikes. http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4790 This is currently causing justifiable derision amongst the motorcycling community and its not hard to see why. The ctc's position shows classic cyclist inferiority complex. I will not be renewing my membership when it falls due and recommend that others do likewise. Indeed, as the organisation appears to be highly commercially (gr?) motivated, a significant reduction in membership which is explicitly due to this outrageous policy should soon bring them to heel. The anti-motorcycling arguments on the link are unsustainable and should be removed and the ctc's campaigning should be amended accordingly. Having been deliberately buzzed by a few, I tend to agree with the CTC line. |
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ctc and motorcycles (Don't feed the troll)
A troll wrote a whine about the CTCs position on motorbikes.
Can you hear the sound of hundreds of very tiny violins troll? -- PETER FOX Not the same since the cardboard box company folded www.eminent.demon.co.uk - Lots for cyclists |
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raisethe wrote:
The anti-motorcycling arguments on the link are unsustainable and should be removed and the ctc's campaigning should be amended accordingly. What is it that you disagree with in particular? Having read through the page their logic seems sound enough to me. Anthony |
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"Anthony Jones" wrote in message ... raisethe wrote: The anti-motorcycling arguments on the link are unsustainable and should be removed and the ctc's campaigning should be amended accordingly. What is it that you disagree with in particular? Having read through the page their logic seems sound enough to me. As a motorcycling cyclist, I have no quibble with the CTC stance. |
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http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4796 "CTC does not want bikes banned" "This week's Motor Cycle News has dreamt up an attention-grabbing headline which is in fact wholly untrue. It suggests that CTC wants motor cycles banned - this is not the case. We do not believe that motorcycles should be admitted into bus lanes, and therefore object to the Government's latest advice that this option should be for local authorities to decide (overturning previous advice against admitting motorcycles). But that is very different from suggesting that we want motorcycles banned, as MCN's headline and first paragraph states. This, we believe, is wholly misleading. Our webpage sets out the issues where we have common ground with motorcyclists - for instance we were with the motorcyclists' lobby in opposing the European Commission's recent proposals for Daytime Running Lights on all motor vehicles." |
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in message . com, iarocu
') wrote: Personally I have no problems with motorbikes. All the scary moments I can think of have involved cars, buses and hgvs. A learner on a motorbike nearly had me off yesterday. Passed muchmuchmuchmuchmuch too close - his wing mirror hit my elbow. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; If you're doing this for fun, do what seems fun. If you're ;; doing it for money, stop now. ;; Rainer Deyke |
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iarocu wrote: On 22 Mar, 20:29, "raisethe" wrote: Following on from the problems recently discussed about John Snow as the new ctc president, I have to point out my considerable displeasure with the ctc's position on motorbikes. Well I have to say I agree with banning motorbikes from bus lanes. Yup, and those pesky electric bike versions too. John B |
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On 22 Mar, 21:25, Anthony Jones wrote:
raisethe wrote: The anti-motorcycling arguments on the link are unsustainable and should be removed and the ctc's campaigning should be amended accordingly. What is it that you disagree with in particular? Having read through the page their logic seems sound enough to me. Anthony Firstly, I am shocked that everyone doesn't agree with me - especially the motorcyclists. To be labelled a troll is also rather bizarre. Surely it is not in the interests of cyclists to be anti-motorbike? This is what is unpalatable: 1. 'policy decisions in relation to motorcycling also need to reflect the threat which motorcycling poses to other road users and to the environment.' Motorcycles, like buses, lorries , cars etc pose no meaningful threat to cyclists when they are properly driven. They cause pollution, as do other vehicles including bicycles. This weeks MCN had an amusing letter suggesting that the flatulence caused by a bean-eating tree- hugging cyclist far outweighs anything coming from a motorbike exhaust. Whilst that is silly, it is also emphasises the ridicule cyclists are exposing themselves to by adopting such a policy. Despite the fact that motor vehicles in general create more pollution than bicycles, they will always have a place on the roads and it is absurd to imply otherwise. 2. 'Dangerous to themselves and to others. Motorcyclists place not only themselves at risk, but they are also disproportionately hazardous to pedestrians' and cyclists' safety as well. ' The danger that motorcyclists choose to expose themselves to is nothing to do with the cycling community. Perhaps the ctc will become anti mountain climbers next. The assertion that they are hazardous to pedestrian's safety is likewise irrelevant. Is there any evidence that they are 'disproportionately hazardous to...cyclists' safety'? The quoted statistics are hard to take at face value. 3. 'A threat to pro-cycling policies. Encouraging more motorcycle use will undermine efforts to promote cycling...' An extremely weak argument, presumably dreamt up by an ex-public school boy. Perhaps ctc should be anti running, anti hillwalking, anti- train, anti anything which may make someone choose an alternative to cycling. 4. 'PTWs motorbikes should not be allowed in bus lanes, cycle lanes, advanced stop lines or vehicle-restricted areas.' The ctc should not be advocating the use of bus lanes which are a waste of road space. They are also only one step short of dangerous cycle paths. It is obviously a far better solution to reduce the volume of congestion by prohibiting on-road parking for vehicles and by road pricing. 5. 'It is inappropriate to allow motor cycle access to bus lanes since they are private motorised vehicles which represent a disproportionate threat to cyclists and pedestrians who would otherwise benefit from use of the lane.' Given the foregoing, I read this as ctc trying to exert its power over another minority group, trying to make cycling appear more attractive than motorcycling, without regard to what is of most benefit to the citizen. It would therefore appear that cyclist paranoia about other road vehicles is not limited to the new president, Snow, but is institutionalised within the ctc. I will have nothing more to do with them and I hope others will follow suit. Ray |
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