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Novice Cyclist Bike Advice
I am about to take up cycling as a way of both getting fitter and
cutting down on my car usage but I could do with some advice about my choice of bikes please. At the moment I am wavering between buying a hybrid bike and a touring bike. I am in my mid-30s, somewhat overweight (100KG and 174cm high) and will be using the bike most days for my short commute to work (around two miles each way) but with some regular evening and weekend rides of around 10 miles and the occasional longer ride every so often (hopefully building up to 50+ miles). Most of my riding will be in mid-Somerset, on the edge of the Mendip Hills, so I will encounter my fair share of hills but I will also benefit from most of my cycling being in the countryside and in small towns such as Wells, Glastonbury and Shepton Mallet so competing with heavy traffic is not really an issue. Via the Ride2Work scheme I will have a budget of around £1000 to buy the bike and accessories and my initial thoughts were to get a Dawes Galaxy (around £800) which leaves me some money for panniers, a decent lock and some good lights. However, I am wondering if drop handlebars are the right choice since most of the local bike shops seem to recommend hybrid bikes with straight bars for a more upright seating position. This made me think about something like the Dawes Discovery range which are a bit cheaper than the Galaxy but I would have to buy mud guards and a rear rack at least in addition to the panniers, lock and lights. From my layman's point of view it seems like I am mainly choosing between riding positions here but if anyone has any comments or suggestions then they would be most gratefully received. Simon |
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On 9 Apr, 00:26, (Simon Wolf) wrote:
I am about to take up cycling as a way of both getting fitter and cutting down on my car usage but I could do with some advice about my choice of bikes please. At the moment I am wavering between buying a hybrid bike and a touring bike. I am in my mid-30s, somewhat overweight (100KG and 174cm high) and will be using the bike most days for my short commute to work (around two miles each way) but with some regular evening and weekend rides of around 10 miles and the occasional longer ride every so often (hopefully building up to 50+ miles). Most of my riding will be in mid-Somerset, on the edge of the Mendip Hills, so I will encounter my fair share of hills but I will also benefit from most of my cycling being in the countryside and in small towns such as Wells, Glastonbury and Shepton Mallet so competing with heavy traffic is not really an issue. Via the Ride2Work scheme I will have a budget of around £1000 to buy the bike and accessories and my initial thoughts were to get a Dawes Galaxy (around £800) which leaves me some money for panniers, a decent lock and some good lights. However, I am wondering if drop handlebars are the right choice since most of the local bike shops seem to recommend hybrid bikes with straight bars for a more upright seating position. This made me think about something like the Dawes Discovery range which are a bit cheaper than the Galaxy but I would have to buy mud guards and a rear rack at least in addition to the panniers, lock and lights. From my layman's point of view it seems like I am mainly choosing between riding positions here but if anyone has any comments or suggestions then they would be most gratefully received. Simon Firstly, consider a bike with a hub gear if you plan to commute in all weathers eg Nexus 8 speed hub. Secondly, as you are relatively heavy, bear in mind that machine built wheels may buckle, so budget for a wheel stand, such as the Minoura Pro. Thirdly, rim brakes on cheaper bikes these days tend to be a hassle. An hub rear brake is worth considering, as is a disc front item. Fourthly, your handlebar configuration isn't too important. If you get straight bars, also get bar ends because this allows you to have alternative positions to relieve soreness and numbness. The main thing to consider is that you are reasonably upright and comfortable as a newby, but that there is sufficient adjustment to lower the bars to get more aero as you become more experienced. Most people new to cycling tend to think of it as a cheap option. However, if you are planning to use it for utility purposes, you should expect reasonable convenience and reliability from it. This comes at a price. I would therefore recommend you consider a hand built front wheel with a dynamo, and a hand built rear wheel with Shimano Nexus 8 and roller hub brake. My recommendation is therefore that you find a bike shop which will create a bike for you which will fill these requirements by adapting an existing bike they have available. A few searches thru' this group will give you some idea of likely suppliers. Finally, most bikes come as standard with gearing which is suitable only for fit experienced riders. Before you take a bike from the showroom, insist that the lowest gear is not more than 23 inches as this will see you up the steepest gradients without too much discomfort. Most people who become regular cyclists get thru' three bikes before they are happy with what they have, so don't worry about it too much. Buy one, see how you get on, and discover that you will not save as much money compared to motoring as you first thought! Hope that helps, Good luck, Ray |
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"Simon Wolf" wrote in message news:1hwa0cv.aacmy5wn9cz6N%simon@ottersoftwaredotc om.invalid... I am about to take up cycling as a way of both getting fitter and cutting down on my car usage but I could do with some advice about my choice of bikes please. At the moment I am wavering between buying a hybrid bike and a touring bike. I am in my mid-30s, somewhat overweight (100KG and 174cm high) and will be using the bike most days for my short commute to work (around two miles each way) but with some regular evening and weekend rides of around 10 miles and the occasional longer ride every so often (hopefully building up to 50+ miles). Most of my riding will be in mid-Somerset, on the edge of the Mendip Hills, so I will encounter my fair share of hills but I will also benefit from most of my cycling being in the countryside and in small towns such as Wells, Glastonbury and Shepton Mallet so competing with heavy traffic is not really an issue. Via the Ride2Work scheme I will have a budget of around £1000 to buy the bike and accessories and my initial thoughts were to get a Dawes Galaxy (around £800) which leaves me some money for panniers, a decent lock and some good lights. Hi Simon, As a svelte 130kg Galaxy owner, I can not recommend the bike high enough. I own five bikes and the Galaxy is often the first choice for rides ranging from 15 miles through to Land's End to John O'Groats. I've ridden through the area that you've described, fully laden with camping gear and four panniers with no problems at all. It really is a jack of all trades and can cope with mild off roading as I've discovered on two ocassions when i got lost through poor map reading and listening to locals who couldn't find their way home never mind advising that 'the bridle path is suitable for cyclists and is a great shortcut'. I ride 100km Audaxes on it and in fact did one yesterday where I chose the Galaxy in preference to my road bike because the Galaxy had lower gearing and I was heading for some seriously hilly terrain. I've used my Galaxy for: general utility riding around 2000km worth of Audax riding 3000 miles of cycle camping Better still, it only cost me around £200 s/h However, I am wondering if drop handlebars are the right choice since most of the local bike shops seem to recommend hybrid bikes with straight bars for a more upright seating position. This made me think about something like the Dawes Discovery range which are a bit cheaper than the Galaxy but I would have to buy mud guards and a rear rack at least in addition to the panniers, lock and lights. You don't have to ride on the drops. I've only used them once or twice when ther's been strong headwinds. I normally use the top flat bit of the bar or use the brake hoods. The only modification that i'd recommend is fitting a Brooks B17 saddle to the bike froum the outset. Your derrier will thank you for it. From my layman's point of view it seems like I am mainly choosing between riding positions here but if anyone has any comments or suggestions then they would be most gratefully received. Don't let the drops put you off. Like I said, you don't have to use the drops section. You'll still have more hand positions available to you that a flat barred hybrid. |
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vernon wrote:
"Simon Wolf" wrote in message news:1hwa0cv.aacmy5wn9cz6N%simon@ottersoftwaredotc om.invalid... I am about to take up cycling as a way of both getting fitter and cutting down on my car usage but I could do with some advice about my choice of bikes please. At the moment I am wavering between buying a hybrid bike and a touring bike. I am in my mid-30s, somewhat overweight (100KG and 174cm high) and will be using the bike most days for my short commute to work (around two miles each way) but with some regular evening and weekend rides of around 10 miles and the occasional longer ride every so often (hopefully building up to 50+ miles). Most of my riding will be in mid-Somerset, on the edge of the Mendip Hills, so I will encounter my fair share of hills but I will also benefit from most of my cycling being in the countryside and in small towns such as Wells, Glastonbury and Shepton Mallet so competing with heavy traffic is not really an issue. Via the Ride2Work scheme I will have a budget of around £1000 to buy the bike and accessories and my initial thoughts were to get a Dawes Galaxy (around £800) which leaves me some money for panniers, a decent lock and some good lights. Hi Simon, As a svelte 130kg Galaxy owner, I can not recommend the bike high enough. I'd also say that the Galaxy is a high quality option with the available budget. There are cheaper options (including bits of Dawes range) which would probably do just as well for the distances proposed, such as the Horizon (comes with drop bars). The choices through bike-to-work schemes can often be limited, so recommendations to semi-bespoke equivalents (eg. Thorn, Hewitt) might not be any use. I'd say the Galaxy is a nice bike, and if having a nice bike is good motivation, get it. If after "practical", the Horizon will work well, prove itself quite practical, last a decent time, etc. The Horizon can always have its parts upgraded as they wear. Either bike needs maintenance, particularly the chain. If after low/zero maintenance, you need a bike with hub gears. Battery lights should be fine for 2mile commutes. If you want dynamo, you can always add a hub later. However, I am wondering if drop handlebars are the right choice since most of the local bike shops seem to recommend hybrid bikes with straight bars for a more upright seating position. Its a matter of what people find comfortable. Most first-time riders prefer flat bars. However, the very straight bar fitted to many modern bikes doesn't help much in comfort; I think the much more curved bar (think Miss Marple TV dramas) is more comfortable over any time/distance. For a distance over 5-7 miles, I prefer drop bars with their top slightly lower than saddle, lots of variation in hand position. But for a short commute, I use a flat-bar bike which sits me more upright. The upright position really needs a sprung saddle as the shocks coming through are much harsher, whereas the drop bar models spread weight out over arms and legs more effectively. You don't have to ride on the drops. I've only used them once or twice when ther's been strong headwinds. I normally use the top flat bit of the bar or use the brake hoods. If the Galaxy/Horizon doesn't have them, its worth considering whether you want secondary "cyclocross" brake levers added to drop bars. A bike shop which supplies the bike should be able to add them as an accessory (about £20 plus fitting time). They allow braking from the flat-straight part of the drop bar. Its not essential, but many people seem to like them. (Most people learn quickly that you can operate a drop bar brake lever from above). The only modification that i'd recommend is fitting a Brooks B17 saddle to the bike froum the outset. Your derrier will thank you for it. Or even the sprung version, which (I think) is the "Flyer". Saves deciding to buy a sprung seatpost later. I see a lot of riders of Galaxy-like bikes who have a B17 plus sprung seatpost. Both types are available in "Aged" form for a few pounds extra which saves a bit of breaking in time. I've started trying a Flyer on one of my bikes, and early impressions are good, the springs seem to knock out all sorts of vibration and small shocks which previous saddles passed through. In the case of any saddle, it helps if you know roughly how the width of your sit bones, and then select saddles on this basis. This has nothing to do with how fat you are. - Nigel -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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From my layman's point of view it seems like I am mainly choosing
between riding positions here but if anyone has any comments or suggestions then they would be most gratefully received. Regarding riding positions, there's basically upright, with the bars higher than the saddle, and sporty, with the bars lower than the saddle. People new to cycling generally find the upright position more comfortable whilst seasoned cyclists generally prefer a position with more of their weight taken by their hands (leaning towards 'sportier', but without putting the bars much below the saddle). Bars level with the saddle gives a good, comfy position - shocks from the road aren't transmitted up the spine. The traditional British style touring bike has drops instead of a flat bar, but there's plenty out there with flat bars. For the money you're paying there won't be any compromises made on the machine, so you can focus almost entirely on comfort. I much prefer drops for cycling - more positions and great in a headwind. It may take a few weeks to feel properly at ease on them, but IME it's been worth it. Anything with a triple at the front should do the hills. Add £20-25 to the price if it doesn't come with mudguards, add £13-30 for a pannier rack. Good quality panniers with be £50-100 for a pair. |
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Following on from Simon Wolf's message. . .
I am about to take up cycling as a way of both getting fitter and cutting down on my car usage but I could do with some advice about my choice of bikes please. * Hybrid - Yes. * Bottle rack - Yes * Mudguards - Yes. _Get the shop to fit them_ * Find a good LBS (Local Bike Shop) Many are really friendly, know what they're talking about - as an activity done by all sorts of different people, not just as bits of metal. * Fitness is firstly about building the ability to do exercise. For example I amazed myself last week by going for 2hr 40min of exercise which you can't do if your body isn't used to it. Commuting will soon put the thews in your thighs but longer rides will be slightly different to a commute as you work for longer. When I started cycling always found there was a point on a ride (of say 20 miles) when I'd be really down in the dumps and wishing I hadn't bothered, but then this would pass and I'd end up pleased with the outing. Now I put that misery-mile down to a protesting metabolism that started to scream after TEN miles!!!. You don't need water for a five mile commute but I budget at least 1pt an hour for longer journeys and try to have something simple to eat before the start of a long ride. (Sorry if this ramble isn't answering your question - but the more power in your pedals, the more pubs you can visit. - Damn! Oh what a giveaway.) PS I Don't have a telly and I don't have any scales. The first is a complete waste of time and second also. -- PETER FOX Not the same since the deckchair business folded www.eminent.demon.co.uk - Lots for cyclists |
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Simon Wolf wrote on 09/04/2007 00:26 +0100:
I am about to take up cycling as a way of both getting fitter and cutting down on my car usage but I could do with some advice about my choice of bikes please. At the moment I am wavering between buying a hybrid bike and a touring bike. I am in my mid-30s, somewhat overweight (100KG and 174cm high) and will be using the bike most days for my short commute to work (around two miles each way) but with some regular evening and weekend rides of around 10 miles and the occasional longer ride every so often (hopefully building up to 50+ miles). Most of my riding will be in mid-Somerset, on the edge of the Mendip Hills, so I will encounter my fair share of hills but I will also benefit from most of my cycling being in the countryside and in small towns such as Wells, Glastonbury and Shepton Mallet so competing with heavy traffic is not really an issue. Via the Ride2Work scheme I will have a budget of around £1000 to buy the bike and accessories and my initial thoughts were to get a Dawes Galaxy (around £800) which leaves me some money for panniers, a decent lock and some good lights. However, I am wondering if drop handlebars are the right choice since most of the local bike shops seem to recommend hybrid bikes with straight bars for a more upright seating position. This made me think about something like the Dawes Discovery range which are a bit cheaper than the Galaxy but I would have to buy mud guards and a rear rack at least in addition to the panniers, lock and lights. From my layman's point of view it seems like I am mainly choosing between riding positions here but if anyone has any comments or suggestions then they would be most gratefully received. Simon The Galaxy is a good choice and the drop bars will give you more varied hand positions on your longer rides (really won't make much difference for your 2 miler). If you were in busy traffic you might find the brake position not as good as a straight bar but that doesn't appear to be a problem for you. The only thing I would say is you might prefer shifters integrated with the brake levers over the bar end shifter - you could get the shop to change them for you otherwise its a step up to the Super Galaxy which pushes your budget. I would also spend some time to get a saddle that is comfortable (not a soft and squishy one!). Sheldon Brown's website is a mine of information and has a section on saddles worth reading - http://sheldonbrown.com/saddles.html. Final comment for your neck of the woods is to have a look at the Thorn range from SJS Cycles in Bridgewater. Not the most popular shop owner with many people here but their cycle range is very well regarded. The Club Tour and Brevet Conical are the two to look at in your price range as well as the Sherpa which is more of a workhorse bike. http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/models.html -- Tony "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell |
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"Simon Wolf" wrote in message news:1hwa0cv.aacmy5wn9cz6N%simon@ottersoftwaredotc om.invalid... I am about to take up cycling as a way of both getting fitter and cutting down on my car usage but I could do with some advice about my choice of bikes please. At the moment I am wavering between buying a hybrid bike and a touring bike. I am in my mid-30s, somewhat overweight (100KG and 174cm high) and will be using the bike most days for my short commute to work (around two miles each way) but with some regular evening and weekend rides of around 10 miles and the occasional longer ride every so often (hopefully building up to 50+ miles). Most of my riding will be in mid-Somerset, on the edge of the Mendip Hills, so I will encounter my fair share of hills but I will also benefit from most of my cycling being in the countryside and in small towns such as Wells, Glastonbury and Shepton Mallet so competing with heavy traffic is not really an issue. Via the Ride2Work scheme I will have a budget of around £1000 to buy the bike and accessories and my initial thoughts were to get a Dawes Galaxy (around £800) which leaves me some money for panniers, a decent lock and some good lights. However, I am wondering if drop handlebars are the right choice since most of the local bike shops seem to recommend hybrid bikes with straight bars for a more upright seating position. This made me think about something like the Dawes Discovery range which are a bit cheaper than the Galaxy but I would have to buy mud guards and a rear rack at least in addition to the panniers, lock and lights. From my layman's point of view it seems like I am mainly choosing between riding positions here but if anyone has any comments or suggestions then they would be most gratefully received. Simon Hi Simon, I too can recomend the Galaxy. My wife has one and we also have a Galaxy Twin tandem. Reliability is excelent. We have done 3000 on the tandem now and at least 2000 of that has been fully laden camping touring. In all the only non-routine maintenance we have had to do is have the rear wheel retrued after about 1500 miles and we had a snapped chain due to a dodgy gear chain on LEJOG. Briliant machines, buy one you will love it and it will last you 20 years or more. On it you will find you will eat mountain bikes/hybrids for breakfast on the road.Course as you get fitter, start to get faster, leaner and keener your eye may occasionally drift in the direction of a lean, mean, all out road (racing) bike. These are the jewels of the cycling world and priced accordingly. So welcome to the world of cycling. The keener you get the more expensive you'll find it but the more you'll love it. One more thing. You may wonder 'How will I know when I'm hooked'? Easy, it's when your 2m commute is not enough and you begin to devise 5m, 10m, 20m loops between work and home. |
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raisethe wrote:
Fourthly, your handlebar configuration isn't too important. If you get straight bars, also get bar ends because this allows you to have alternative positions to relieve soreness and numbness. The main thing to consider is that you are reasonably upright and comfortable as a newby, but that there is sufficient adjustment to lower the bars to get more aero as you become more experienced. Also, drops apparently look scary to some people, but they are really easy to use and give a wide variety of positions. Every kid in the late 70s to late 80s used them without a second thought... Most people new to cycling tend to think of it as a cheap option. However, if you are planning to use it for utility purposes, you should expect reasonable convenience and reliability from it. This comes at a price. I'd agree with that. My 10 mile each way commute costs me about £3.50 a day in petrol - that's about £70 a month assuming I'm in the office every day. That means it took a solid month to "pay" for the Ortlieb hard pannier I use to carry my laptop and clothes, over a month to pay for the Shimano dual control gear/brake levers I added last year (a lot of money, but very comfortable and important as I have a long term thumb problem that causes severe pain with trigger shifters), a month to pay for a new set of tyres and a quality rechargeable front light, a month to pay for winter specific clothes (warm long trousers, shoes, etc.), etc. etc. I'm obviously not taking car maintenance into account, but last year I only paid a couple of hundred for the annual service and MOT - about half the amount I spent doing a complete rebuild on my rather tired mountain bike (new drivetrain, rear wheel, etc.). Having said that, I could do it cheaper - but convenience, comfort and reliability mean a lot to me. I would therefore recommend you consider a hand built front wheel with a dynamo, and a hand built rear wheel with Shimano Nexus 8 and roller hub brake. Possibly overkill for small amounts of commuting, but worth considering. My recommendation is therefore that you find a bike shop which will create a bike for you which will fill these requirements by adapting an existing bike they have available. A few searches thru' this group will give you some idea of likely suppliers. Assuming that the bike to work scheme he is taking advantage doesn't insist on a mail order bike selected from a catalogue, this is a good plan. Buy one, see how you get on, and discover that you will not save as much money compared to motoring as you first thought! Seconded :-) Matt |
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