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"Buck" wrote in message ... On 06/09/2005 14:07:09 "Jeff Grippe" wrote: "Buck" wrote in message ... Jeff, it is the Dolan way, he has no life to speak of so he comes on here and trolls. Maybe so but don't stoop to that level yourself. It is exactly because of the insulting posts that I stopped wishing I didn't actually agree with him. Just tell me your opinion/experience (about trikes not Dolan). Dolan is one of the reasons I have not visited this group for about a year, between him and another poster the group had fallen into foolishness. Yet Buck can come onto this group and voice his opinions about tadpoles and Catrikes and nary a word is said in opposition. The trouble with Buck and all his ilk is that they cannot take disagreement. I do not much like tadpoles and I rather do like deltas. That is the essence of our disagreement. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. I have told you why I do not like tadpoles (too much pedal steer) and why I like deltas (only one wheel up front that needs to be steered). What could be more fair than that? The only one getting personal here is Buck. The fact that Buck can even compare me with that other troll shows what a poltroon he is. The other troll was a criminal vandal whereas I am the most friendly law abiding troll in the entire universe. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota |
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"Buck" wrote in message ... [...] One of the greatest things about trikes, other than the Kett Weisel which, with one wheel drive in delta configuration, and lwb suffers wheel hop on steep slow hills. The above is not a complete sentence. Best to slow down when you know Ed Dolan the Great is reading you. There are also a few other disadvantages of one wheel rear drive, but the best thing that can be said about a delta is that they handle like a bicycle, not like a cart vehicle. The steering is on one wheel up front thereby keeping the entire design simple and logical. I can't think of a single advantage to having two wheels up front, other than making for a shorter trike for transportation purposes. But that is all that any SWB has going for it - they are easier to transport. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota |
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"Jeff Grippe" wrote in message ... [...] I had a Sun EZ-3AL. It was my first trike. There were a number of things I didn't like about it. This thing, like many deltas, had two rear wheels but only one was driven by the transmission. It was constantly pulling to one side. I hated it. I also didn't like having the widest part of the trike behind me. It was something I hadn't even considered when I bought it. Jeff, I have never heard that before about the trike pulling to one side because of the drive being on only one side. Very mysterious! The two wheels being behind you should not be a problem as that is where they should be. Trikes are really not that much wider than bikes and it should quickly become second nature just how much space is required for clearing obstacles. On the other hand it was easy to get into and out of. It was basically fun to ride. The long wheelbase smoothed out the ride considerably. LWB is the secret to ALL recumbents, whether trikes or bikes. On the third hand, Sun Bicycles did not deal honorably with me or my bike shop. I ordered an EZ-3 AX from my bike shop. The shop ordered an EX-3 AX from Sun. Sun shipped them an EZ-3 AL (a 2003 model) without telling them. Ultimately there was a $150 credit given but the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth. On the forth hand it was a very reasonable trike for the money. The main complaint I have heard about the EZ-3 line of trikes is that they are heavy, but this is not as bad as it may at first seem. Really light trikes can be a problem. The lighter they are the more the chance of pedal steer. A heavier trike will prevent this and give you a more solid ride. I have the Kett Wiesel which is pretty light and I also have the Coos Bay Flyer which is heavy. I do notice ever so slightly a bit of pedal steer on the former and none whatsoever on the latter. The Coos Bay Flyer goes like it is on rails. I attribute this not only to it's very long length, but also to it's being rather heavy (50 lb.). The Coos Bay Flyer was designed by Don Harse of Oregon and Bart Hiatt of Cleveland.These guys were the experts on deltas and kew what they were doing. Some of you who think tadpoles are where it is at should do some research and maybe learn a thing or two. The Coos Bay Flyer later evolved into the Comfort Cycle and is still around today as the Penninger Traveler I believe. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota |
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"Jeff Grippe" wrote in message ... "Buck" wrote in message ... Jeff, it is the Dolan way, he has no life to speak of so he comes on here and trolls. I can't figure out why anyone should say I do not have a life. Posting here to ARBR is a fun thing to do. That is the one and only reason I do it. Why does Buck post here I wonder? Maybe so but don't stoop to that level yourself. It is exactly because of the insulting posts that I stopped wishing I didn't actually agree with him. Just tell me your opinion/experience (about trikes not Dolan). I only stoop in order to get on the same level as my correspondents such as Buck. If I didn't stoop, it would go right over his head. UK cyclists are in a class by themselves. They are pigheaded and cannot brook disagreement. They are the first to become unpleasant and then cry like babies when you become unpleasant back at them. The only groups worse than the UK are the Canadians and the Australians The latter is especially the pits. They are into nothing but obscenities and when you are obscene back at them they take a holier than thou attitude and cry foul, i.e., if they are not otherwise acting like criminals. Newsgroups are full of idiots and scoundrels. ARBR is no exception, but not as bad as some others. I attribute this to our being an older age group. Many on this group are ready for the grave. And thank God we do not have any stupid women cluttering up this group like some others. We are fortunate indeed! Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota PS. And some accuse me of being a troll! |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... Jeff, I have never heard that before about the trike pulling to one side because of the drive being on only one side. Very mysterious! The pulling to one side was so pronounced that after riding it home from the bike shop, I took it back convinced that they had put it together wrong. The mechanic went over everything and then we noticed the "one sided" drive. He asked me if the problem occurs when I pedal as opposed to when I coast. I took it back out in the parking lot and the mystery was solved. During the few months that I owned it I found it most annoying. The two wheels being behind you should not be a problem as that is where they should be. Trikes are really not that much wider than bikes and it should quickly become second nature just how much space is required for clearing obstacles. This is clearly a matter of taste. Having now owned both I prefer the tadpole. I'm still thinking I would like to try a quad and just for a laugh I'd like to try the tadpole that has rear wheel steering although I wouldn't want to be going very fast when I corner. Jeff |
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Frankly Ed, it seems to me that you are everything that you accuse other of
being. So much for my attempt to tone down the conversation. Write whatever you want. If you believe that there is a right way and a wrong way to do something then who am I to tell you differently. If you want to walk up hills then walk up hills. If you like deltas then ride deltas. Should you happen to want to carry on a conversation and actually have other people listen to your point of view then it is better not to insult them (like I did in the first sentence of this message, now that's ironic!) I don't have a problem with people liking what they like and being fixed in their position. I just have a problem with them labeling everyone that doesn't agree with them as stupid, or thick-headed, or whatever words you actually used. As I said before I find myself in basic agreement with your ideas about trikes and speed but not wanting to listen to you because of you caustic tone. One of the best lessons I was ever taught was "The meaning of a communication is the response that you get back". So if people are responding to you with hostility it isn't "just them". Best of luck to you and may you enjoy many miles of care-free triking. Jeff |
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Thanks for reminding me. I got a new laptop and hadn't plonked Ed Dolan
yet. PLONK "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "Peter Clinch" wrote in message ... Jeff Grippe wrote: Fun yes! I wouldn't give up my trikes for anything BUT they are not stable at high speed (at least not the one's I've had a chance to ride at high speed). The Windcheetah used for the Lands End to John o'Groats distance record in the UK was clocked at around 70 mph on some of the big descents on the course (it was fully faired, btw). No reports of particular instability AFAIK. I learned this the hard way. I was going down a hill that would have been nothing on a bike. The road was rough but nothing you would avoid. I was going 25 MPH by the time I decided that I didn't like the way the trike was handling. That is also the moment when I discovered that the effect of brake-steer is magnified at high speed. Folk regularly do *much* more than that on trikes, so it clearly isn't intrinsic to trikes, period. Same thing with brake steer: it'll very much be implementation dependent. Pete. Hang in there Jeff. You are right and Peter is wrong, as he is about most everything. The fact is trikes are hard to handle at speed due to pedal steer and brake steer can be problem too. Go with your own experience and do not listen to those UK nuts. A two wheeler will always handle much better at speed than any three wheeler, but trikes are OK provided you keep your speed reasonable. Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Jeff Grippe" wrote in message ... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... [...] The two wheels being behind you should not be a problem as that is where they should be. Trikes are really not that much wider than bikes and it should quickly become second nature just how much space is required for clearing obstacles. This is clearly a matter of taste. Having now owned both I prefer the tadpole. I'm still thinking I would like to try a quad and just for a laugh I'd like to try the tadpole that has rear wheel steering although I wouldn't want to be going very fast when I corner. All bike and trike designs have been around for many generations now and they have either proven their worth or they have been discarded. There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to bikes and trikes. Front wheel drive and rear wheel steering have been tried and found wanting. Save yourself some grief and forget about them. I predict someday that all SWB will likewise be consigned to the scrap heap of history. The only reason they are still around is because folks want something they can easily transport. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota |
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"Jeff Grippe" wrote in message ... It would be better to incude my message and then bottom post as others may be following this thread besides just you and me. Frankly Ed, it seems to me that you are everything that you accuse other of being. So much for my attempt to tone down the conversation. Write whatever you want. If you believe that there is a right way and a wrong way to do something then who am I to tell you differently. If you want to walk up hills then walk up hills. If you like deltas then ride deltas. Not all ideas are equal and not everything is a matter of opinion and/or experience. That is the easy way out of an argument. I take the views I do because I believe I am right and others are wrong. Should you happen to want to carry on a conversation and actually have other people listen to your point of view then it is better not to insult them (like I did in the first sentence of this message, now that's ironic!) I don't have a problem with people liking what they like and being fixed in their position. I just have a problem with them labeling everyone that doesn't agree with them as stupid, or thick-headed, or whatever words you actually used. I have had many years experience with the trike nuts and screwballs in the UK. I treat them the way they treat others, only I beat them to the punch. As I said before I find myself in basic agreement with your ideas about trikes and speed but not wanting to listen to you because of you caustic tone. My caustic tone is the most interesting and charming thing about me. Too bad you are unable to appreciate me. I think it comes from taking newsgroups entirely too seriously. After all, there is no one here but us fools. One of the best lessons I was ever taught was "The meaning of a communication is the response that you get back". So if people are responding to you with hostility it isn't "just them". A hostile response indicates to me that I have been read. That is my one and only reason for posting to a newsgroup in the first place. It is really sad to see how so many others post and they are dead in the water. No responses at all! That is not for me. That is why I call myself Great. I insist upon a response and I know how to get one - and who cares whether it is hostile or not. Best of luck to you and may you enjoy many miles of care-free triking. Well, yes, but I enjoy posting to ARBR too! Your Friendly Neighborhood Troll, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota |
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"___________" wrote in message news:tnlqe.43791$nG6.1043@attbi_s22... Thanks for reminding me. I got a new laptop and hadn't plonked Ed Dolan yet. Anyone on ARBR want to discuss anything with Mr. Blank? I thought not! Surely his brain is as vacuous as his address and his signature. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota |
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