Hit gravel, broke leg

"Jeff Grippe" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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PS. Jeff did bottom post properly this once, so progress is being made.
But he would still have to work on his editing to get up to speed.


And I said my last post would be my last on this topic. Oh well, I've
always known I'm a liar.

So its form over content eh? This has always been my problem in life. Here
I thought it was the content that was important. Little did I know that
the good folks at Google have provided a set of style guidelines that must
be followed under all circumstances.

Just to make sure that I understand things correctly, It would be
perfectly ok to say something like "You are a complete and utter asshole"
as long as I format the message correctly and properly quote the section
of your message that made me draw that conclusion.

YES! You have finally got it. Now we are starting to get somewhere! Form is
equally as important as content. It is an indication of fair play and
respect for your correspondent and for the unknown readers of the message.
The latter is always upper most in my mind. Usenet is NOT email!

Y'know I've never really been good at following rules that appear to put
form over function. I hate black tie weddings (I only threw that in
because I have to go to one this summer). I love stream of consciousness
(hence the reference to my summer schedule in the middle of a bicycle
newsgroup).

A formal wedding is something you will remember all your life. I sometimes
think the formalties matter more than anything else in the end. It is what
gives some dignity to the human condition.

Well I'm not going to look at the Google rules because I know myself well
enough to know I won't be following them anyway. I guess you'll just have
to figure out what I'm talking about if I don't do the quote thing
correctly.

The rules are very simple and can be learned in 15 minutes. They are just
based on good manners and common sense.

Y'know I'll bet there's a ton of newsgroup readers out there who have put
me on their blocked senders list for using bad form. What can I say. Form
has never been my strong suit (with the exception of Haiku which I really
like. There I go free-associating again).

It is an honor to be placed on many kill file lists since newsgroups are
just chock full of idiots and scoundrels. I am an expert on this subject.

Finally coming back to something relevant to what I quoted above, Progress
is an illusion. When you say that I'm making progress, you assume that I
am actually trying to get somewhere that you think it would be valuable
for me to get to. Nothing could be further from the truth. But if it helps
you to feel that you are molding this individual into a proper poster then
feel free. From my point of view, I am doing on this newsgroup what I do
on my bike, which is what I do in my life, spinning my wheels.

It is not fair to me when you do not quote my message to which you are
responding. Moreover, it is not fair to the reader either. Form is extremely
important in the interest of fairness if nothing else.

Note how I have always treated you fair. I bottom post and I leave your
messages complete. That way I leave it to the reader to draw his own
conclusions about what is being said without any bias. I am not just writing
to you, I am writing to a universe of unknown readers which I respect. You
should do the same. That is what good form is all about.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

"Jeff Grippe" wrote in message
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"Peter Clinch" wrote in message
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a.r.b.r is a Usenet newsgroup, it doesn't have any connection to Google.
Google can be used to access it, but like all web front ends to Usenet
it's pretty well braindead. Get yourself access through a service
provider's News service (news.individual.net is a good one), and a proper
newsreader. Aside from anything else it's far more configurable, so very
easy to put Ed on a Bozo Bin list where he clearly belongs.

I know its a usenet group. I access groups using supernews as a provider
and I use outlook express as a client. It isn't the best news reader but
since I use it for email as well it leaves me one few app to run.

Why not just use the Outlook Express newsreader? What do you need supernews
for?

I don't want Ed on the Bozo Bin. I already understand that he is both
opinionated and rude (at times). I can simply ignore his posts where he is
just ranting. I just figured I'd take a shot at turning him into some with
manners. It didn't work. Oh well, that's life. Thanks for trying to help.

Jeff

You might want to think twice before you hook up with Peter Clinch of
Dundee, Scotland. He is a nasty customer for sure and is always advising
others to kill file me, as if they can't make up their own minds. I never
give Peter any respect at all because of his idiotic signature. He is a
typical subject of the UK, a dunderhead who is as thick as they come. You
will find him about as interesting as a dead skunk - and about as helpful
too.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

"Slugger" wrote in message
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In article , Jeff Grippe
wrote:
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I don't want Ed on the Bozo Bin. I already understand that he is both
opinionated and rude (at times). I can simply ignore his posts where he
is
just ranting. I just figured I'd take a shot at turning him into some
with
manners. It didn't work. Oh well, that's life. Thanks for trying to help.

Jeff



I think he was bullied as a kid and is now making up for it by trolling
on this board.

Content over form. Jeff could teach dolan a thing or two.

dolan should be Dolan.

I would a thousand times rather read an interesting and amusing troll than a
dullard like Slugger. He has never yet said a single thing that has
interested me (except for once about computers). All he knows how to do is
to call names and cast aspersions. It is a good thing I am not easily
offended or I would have to retaliate by calling him a few choice names. But
I am also a Saint in addition to being a smart troll and so am above all
that low brow stuff. A redneck I never was.

Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows (formerly Order of the
Perpetual Miseries) - Minnesota

On 06/16/2005 08:34:09 "Edward Dolan" wrote:


dolan should be Dolan.

Ed is Parsifal

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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Why not just use the Outlook Express newsreader? What do you need
supernews for?

Sheesh and you call me a newbie!

I said supernews is my provider and oe is my newsreader. My ISP doesn't
provide a news feed so I have to pay supernews a fee to give me access to
you. Something doesn't seem right about this. I'm paying for this? Now who's
the idiot (hint, its me). Anyway I do use oe as my news reader as I said in
my post but without paying supernews each month I wouldn't have the ability
to tell you so.

Jeff

"Jeff Grippe" jeff@door7 wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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Why not just use the Outlook Express newsreader? What do you need
supernews for?

Sheesh and you call me a newbie!

I said supernews is my provider and oe is my newsreader. My ISP doesn't
provide a news feed so I have to pay supernews a fee to give me access to
you. Something doesn't seem right about this. I'm paying for this? Now
who's the idiot (hint, its me). Anyway I do use oe as my news reader as I
said in my post but without paying supernews each month I wouldn't have
the ability to tell you so.

Jeff

I guess the difference then is that my ISP is providing me with the ability
to post to newsgroups. I thought OE worked in both directions, but
apparently not. As far as I know there is no extra charge for this service.
It is just part of my ISP hook up, same as email.

I don't believe I would ever want to pay anything extra just so I could
post. I wonder - do most folks have to pay extra to post? Or are there news
feed providers that are free to use? I think some here on ARBR are using a
free service from the University of Berlin. Why pay if you can get one for
free?

Slugger, who is a computer guru, would know the answers to all these
esoteric queries of mine, but I have alienated him and he will no longer
speak to me except to insult me and cast aspersions on my character. The lot
of a troll is not a happy one.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Buck" wrote in message
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On 06/16/2005 08:34:09 "Edward Dolan" wrote:


dolan should be Dolan.

Ed is Parsifal

Wagner's Parsifal represents the very worst of the German character. It is
long winded and self important in the extreme. I would rather sit though the
entire Der Ring des Nibelungen and put up with the Gods of Valhalla than to
have to sit through Parsifal and put up with all that nonsense about the
Holy Grail. Wagner was a genius, but a very long winded one. I sometimes
think you have to be German to truly appreciate him.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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I don't believe I would ever want to pay anything extra just so I could
post. I wonder - do most folks have to pay extra to post? Or are there
news feed providers that are free to use? I think some here on ARBR are
using a free service from the University of Berlin. Why pay if you can get
one for free?


Many, but not all ISP's provide a newsfeed. If your ISP doesn't and if you
want usenet then you must pay someone to provide it for you. Either that or
switch ISPs.

Edward Dolan wrote:


I don't believe I would ever want to pay anything extra just so I
could post. I wonder - do most folks have to pay extra to post? Or
are there news feed providers that are free to use? I think some
here on ARBR are using a free service from the University of Berlin.
Why pay if you can get one for free?

news.individual.net - aka the Berlin server - is no longer free, but as they
now only charge ten Euros a year, most people I know who have been using
them have stayed. A handful have switched to a free one in Poland, whose
name escapes me.

A Several are listed he

url: http://www.newsservers.net/FreeNewsServers.htm though as that doesn't
mention that news.individual.net is now charging, it may be a touch out of
date.

--
Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
They came for Eamonn Holmes; I think I'm right in saying that I
applauded.

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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YES! You have finally got it. Now we are starting to get somewhere! Form
is equally as important as content.

Eddie baby this is a topic I can really sink my teeth into. It doesn't
belong on a cycling group but here we are so I'll go with it.

Generally things are context dependent. Sometimes form is less important
than content, sometimes equal, and sometimes form is more important.

I think you are tending to see things a little to black and white. No rule
applies in all cases (such as "Form is equally as important as content")

Rudeness and ethnic slurs have no place here regardless of how correct your
form is. In this context form is somewhat less important. People who have
been following a thread can generally figure out what you are talking about.
It isn't really necessary to quote everything everytime.

You are seeing rules as too absolute and applying to all contexts.

When you say nasty things about people it doesn't matter (to me) that you
said it using correct form.


A formal wedding is something you will remember all your life. I sometimes
think the formalties matter more than anything else in the end. It is what
gives some dignity to the human condition.


I think this is a decision I am capable of making for myself thank you very
much. I come from a family that loves black tie wedding so I've been to many
and can look forward to more. I hate them. Give me a pool party any day.
Dignity is a made up concept. If formal events make you feel dignified then
enjoy them. To me it feels like lipstick on a pig (yes I know I just called
myself a pig but I'm not really bothered by it. Its just another made up
concept.)


It is not fair to me when you do not quote my message to which you are
responding. Moreover, it is not fair to the reader either. Form is
extremely important in the interest of fairness if nothing else.

Note how I have always treated you fair. I bottom post and I leave your
messages complete.

Well you say that fairness is in the form and I say it is in the content.
The last thing I would label you is fair. You have a set of fixed and rather
rigid opinions that aren't open for discussion. If I present you correctly
then I would say it isn't fair for you to be posting here at all. Why engage
in a discussion when you don't really want to discuss? If all you want to do
is present the "Ed Dolan Guide to Cycling and Life" then put up a website
and those who are interested can go there and read all about it. If on the
other hand you are going to participate in an online discussion then you
should (I think) be open to being moved by what others are saying. Under no
circumstances (IMHO) should you answer with insults or ethnic slurs. You do
this a bit too often to just write it off as being witty.

I'm Polish and I love Pollack jokes. I tell them and hear them with abandon.
It is clear that they are jokes and nobody ever feels insulted. You, on the
other hand, resort to insults and rudeness too often to just call it wit.
Nobody (with the possible exception of you) finds it witty.

So we have some quite far from "Hit gravel, broke leg" but here we are.

Regards,
Jeff