Local purge on unsafe cars a rousing success

Nearly 1400 drivers caught in police campaign making the roads safer for
cyclists.

QUOTE:

HUNDREDS of cars were found to be defective during a police campaign.
Officers found 1,383 cars were faulty during a month of checks in East
Yorkshire.
It was part of a campaign to ensure motorists were ready to drive in wintry
weather.

PC Keith Ward, casualty reduction officer for Hull, said: "People sometimes
say the police stop people for no reason, but most of the motorists we
stopped gave us their time and were appreciative.

"They were getting a free check and many appreciated finding out any
problems they may not have known about otherwise.

"Doing a campaign like this and finding defects helps reduce accidents and
casualties."

PC Ward said insufficient tyre tread depth and broken lights were the most
common problems found by officers.

He said: "I put the problems with tyres down to the recession. People are
tightening their belts and getting their cars serviced less frequently.

"They are probably looking at their tyres and thinking they will last a bit
longer, but it is crucial that people check them.

"The tyre is the only thing between you and the road. It is what keeps your
car safely on the road."

Of those cars stopped, 413 were given vehicle defect forms, which means the
driver will face no penalty if the fault is repaired within two weeks.

If not, the motorist is summonsed to court.

Another 211 drivers were referred to courses run by Humberside Police,
including considerate driving and driver improvement courses.

However, 759 people were given a fixed penalty ticket, with some also being
given three points on their licence.

"Prosecution is only a last resort," said PC Ward.

"Education is a big part of what we do and the drivers we spoke to during
this campaign seemed to appreciate that.

"The majority of drivers have been dealt with by means of a defect
rectification notice that gives the driver the opportunity to rectify the
defect found, thus ensuring a road-legal vehicle.

"Others were offered a diversion scheme, which is an alternative to getting
three penalty points and a fine."

The campaign was carried out by traffic officers and police officers when
they were not responding to calls. No extra funding was put towards the
campaign to provide dedicated overtime staff, as has happened in previous
years.

Officers conducting the campaign also seized 17 cars in Hull and 12 in the
East Riding for not having any insurance.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ail/story.html

--
Simon Mason

"Simon Mason" wrote in message
. uk...
Nearly 1400 drivers caught in police campaign making the roads safer for
cyclists.

QUOTE:

HUNDREDS of cars were found to be defective during a police campaign.
Officers found 1,383 cars were faulty during a month of checks in East
Yorkshire.
It was part of a campaign to ensure motorists were ready to drive in
wintry
weather.

PC Keith Ward, casualty reduction officer for Hull, said: "People
sometimes
say the police stop people for no reason, but most of the motorists we
stopped gave us their time and were appreciative.

"They were getting a free check and many appreciated finding out any
problems they may not have known about otherwise.

"Doing a campaign like this and finding defects helps reduce accidents and
casualties."

PC Ward said insufficient tyre tread depth and broken lights were the most
common problems found by officers.

He said: "I put the problems with tyres down to the recession. People are
tightening their belts and getting their cars serviced less frequently.

"They are probably looking at their tyres and thinking they will last a
bit
longer, but it is crucial that people check them.

"The tyre is the only thing between you and the road. It is what keeps
your
car safely on the road."

Of those cars stopped, 413 were given vehicle defect forms, which means
the
driver will face no penalty if the fault is repaired within two weeks.

If not, the motorist is summonsed to court.

Another 211 drivers were referred to courses run by Humberside Police,
including considerate driving and driver improvement courses.

However, 759 people were given a fixed penalty ticket, with some also
being
given three points on their licence.

"Prosecution is only a last resort," said PC Ward.

"Education is a big part of what we do and the drivers we spoke to during
this campaign seemed to appreciate that.

"The majority of drivers have been dealt with by means of a defect
rectification notice that gives the driver the opportunity to rectify the
defect found, thus ensuring a road-legal vehicle.

"Others were offered a diversion scheme, which is an alternative to
getting
three penalty points and a fine."

The campaign was carried out by traffic officers and police officers when
they were not responding to calls. No extra funding was put towards the
campaign to provide dedicated overtime staff, as has happened in previous
years.

Officers conducting the campaign also seized 17 cars in Hull and 12 in the
East Riding for not having any insurance.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ail/story.html

--
Simon Mason

Do the local police check bikes?
If not, why not?

On 24/02/2012 19:18, Simon Mason wrote:

Nearly 1400 drivers caught in police campaign making the roads safer for
cyclists.

["safer for cyclists"? Hardly. As an attempt to try to make the subject
on-topic: fail.]

QUOTE:
HUNDREDS of cars were found to be defective during a police campaign.
Officers found 1,383 cars were faulty during a month of checks in East
Yorkshire.
It was part of a campaign to ensure motorists were ready to drive in wintry
weather.

PC Keith Ward, casualty reduction officer for Hull, said: "People sometimes
say the police stop people for no reason, but most of the motorists we
stopped gave us their time and were appreciative.

[Would he find similar reactions from cyclists stopped for checks on their
bicycles?]

"They were getting a free check and many appreciated finding out any
problems they may not have known about otherwise.
"Doing a campaign like this and finding defects helps reduce accidents and
casualties."
PC Ward said insufficient tyre tread depth and broken lights were the most
common problems found by officers.
He said: "I put the problems with tyres down to the recession. People are
tightening their belts and getting their cars serviced less frequently.

[That must be right. No-one ever heard of a conviction for a defective tyre
before Brown's Bust, did they?]

"They are probably looking at their tyres and thinking they will last a bit
longer, but it is crucial that people check them.
"The tyre is the only thing between you and the road. It is what keeps your
car safely on the road."

Of those cars stopped, 413 were given vehicle defect forms, which means the
driver will face no penalty if the fault is repaired within two weeks.
If not, the motorist is summonsed to court.
Another 211 drivers were referred to courses run by Humberside Police,
including considerate driving and driver improvement courses.
However, 759 people were given a fixed penalty ticket, with some also being
given three points on their licence.
"Prosecution is only a last resort," said PC Ward.

[Of course it is. With the police nowadays able to hand out stiff penalties
simply by acting as combined police, prosecutor, jury and judge, what need is
there for the reams of paperwork needed for proper justice?]

"Education is a big part of what we do and the drivers we spoke to during
this campaign seemed to appreciate that.
"The majority of drivers have been dealt with by means of a defect
rectification notice that gives the driver the opportunity to rectify the
defect found, thus ensuring a road-legal vehicle.
"Others were offered a diversion scheme, which is an alternative to getting
three penalty points and a fine."
The campaign was carried out by traffic officers and police officers when
they were not responding to calls. No extra funding was put towards the
campaign to provide dedicated overtime staff, as has happened in previous
years.
Officers conducting the campaign also seized 17 cars in Hull and 12 in the
East Riding for not having any insurance.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ail/story.html

On 24/02/2012 19:35, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Simon wrote in message
. uk...
Nearly 1400 drivers caught in police campaign making the roads safer for
cyclists.

QUOTE:

HUNDREDS of cars were found to be defective during a police campaign.
Officers found 1,383 cars were faulty during a month of checks in East
Yorkshire.
It was part of a campaign to ensure motorists were ready to drive in
wintry
weather.

PC Keith Ward, casualty reduction officer for Hull, said: "People
sometimes
say the police stop people for no reason, but most of the motorists we
stopped gave us their time and were appreciative.

"They were getting a free check and many appreciated finding out any
problems they may not have known about otherwise.

"Doing a campaign like this and finding defects helps reduce accidents and
casualties."

PC Ward said insufficient tyre tread depth and broken lights were the most
common problems found by officers.

He said: "I put the problems with tyres down to the recession. People are
tightening their belts and getting their cars serviced less frequently.

"They are probably looking at their tyres and thinking they will last a
bit
longer, but it is crucial that people check them.

"The tyre is the only thing between you and the road. It is what keeps
your
car safely on the road."

Of those cars stopped, 413 were given vehicle defect forms, which means
the
driver will face no penalty if the fault is repaired within two weeks.

If not, the motorist is summonsed to court.

Another 211 drivers were referred to courses run by Humberside Police,
including considerate driving and driver improvement courses.

However, 759 people were given a fixed penalty ticket, with some also
being
given three points on their licence.

"Prosecution is only a last resort," said PC Ward.

"Education is a big part of what we do and the drivers we spoke to during
this campaign seemed to appreciate that.

"The majority of drivers have been dealt with by means of a defect
rectification notice that gives the driver the opportunity to rectify the
defect found, thus ensuring a road-legal vehicle.

"Others were offered a diversion scheme, which is an alternative to
getting
three penalty points and a fine."

The campaign was carried out by traffic officers and police officers when
they were not responding to calls. No extra funding was put towards the
campaign to provide dedicated overtime staff, as has happened in previous
years.

Officers conducting the campaign also seized 17 cars in Hull and 12 in the
East Riding for not having any insurance.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ail/story.html

--
Simon Mason

Do the local police check bikes?
If not, why not?

Probably because they would not be able to stand the foul and obscene abuse
they'd get.

JNugent wrote:
On 24/02/2012 19:35, Mr Pounder wrote:
"Simon wrote in message
. uk...
Nearly 1400 drivers caught in police campaign making the roads
safer for cyclists.

QUOTE:

HUNDREDS of cars were found to be defective during a police
campaign. Officers found 1,383 cars were faulty during a month of
checks in East Yorkshire.
It was part of a campaign to ensure motorists were ready to drive in
wintry
weather.

PC Keith Ward, casualty reduction officer for Hull, said: "People
sometimes
say the police stop people for no reason, but most of the motorists
we stopped gave us their time and were appreciative.

"They were getting a free check and many appreciated finding out any
problems they may not have known about otherwise.

"Doing a campaign like this and finding defects helps reduce
accidents and casualties."

PC Ward said insufficient tyre tread depth and broken lights were
the most common problems found by officers.

He said: "I put the problems with tyres down to the recession.
People are tightening their belts and getting their cars serviced
less frequently. "They are probably looking at their tyres and thinking
they will
last a bit
longer, but it is crucial that people check them.

"The tyre is the only thing between you and the road. It is what
keeps your
car safely on the road."

Of those cars stopped, 413 were given vehicle defect forms, which
means the
driver will face no penalty if the fault is repaired within two
weeks. If not, the motorist is summonsed to court.

Another 211 drivers were referred to courses run by Humberside
Police, including considerate driving and driver improvement
courses. However, 759 people were given a fixed penalty ticket, with
some
also being
given three points on their licence.

"Prosecution is only a last resort," said PC Ward.

"Education is a big part of what we do and the drivers we spoke to
during this campaign seemed to appreciate that.

"The majority of drivers have been dealt with by means of a defect
rectification notice that gives the driver the opportunity to
rectify the defect found, thus ensuring a road-legal vehicle.

"Others were offered a diversion scheme, which is an alternative to
getting
three penalty points and a fine."

The campaign was carried out by traffic officers and police
officers when they were not responding to calls. No extra funding
was put towards the campaign to provide dedicated overtime staff,
as has happened in previous years.

Officers conducting the campaign also seized 17 cars in Hull and 12
in the East Riding for not having any insurance.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ail/story.html

--
Simon Mason

Do the local police check bikes?
If not, why not?

Probably because they would not be able to stand the foul and obscene
abuse they'd get.

and the lies about names and addresses.

On Feb 24, 7:35*pm, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:
"Simon Mason" wrote in message

. uk...





Nearly 1400 drivers caught in police campaign making the roads safer for
cyclists.

QUOTE:

HUNDREDS of cars were found to be defective during a police campaign.
Officers found 1,383 cars were faulty during a month of checks in East
Yorkshire.
It was part of a campaign to ensure motorists were ready to drive in
wintry
weather.

PC Keith Ward, casualty reduction officer for Hull, said: "People
sometimes
say the police stop people for no reason, but most of the motorists we
stopped gave us their time and were appreciative.

"They were getting a free check and many appreciated finding out any
problems they may not have known about otherwise.

"Doing a campaign like this and finding defects helps reduce accidents and
casualties."

PC Ward said insufficient tyre tread depth and broken lights were the most
common problems found by officers.

He said: "I put the problems with tyres down to the recession. People are
tightening their belts and getting their cars serviced less frequently.

"They are probably looking at their tyres and thinking they will last a
bit
longer, but it is crucial that people check them.

"The tyre is the only thing between you and the road. It is what keeps
your
car safely on the road."

Of those cars stopped, 413 were given vehicle defect forms, which means
the
driver will face no penalty if the fault is repaired within two weeks.

If not, the motorist is summonsed to court.

Another 211 drivers were referred to courses run by Humberside Police,
including considerate driving and driver improvement courses.

However, 759 people were given a fixed penalty ticket, with some also
being
given three points on their licence.

"Prosecution is only a last resort," said PC Ward.

"Education is a big part of what we do and the drivers we spoke to during
this campaign seemed to appreciate that.

"The majority of drivers have been dealt with by means of a defect
rectification notice that gives the driver the opportunity to rectify the
defect found, thus ensuring a road-legal vehicle.

"Others were offered a diversion scheme, which is an alternative to
getting
three penalty points and a fine."

The campaign was carried out by traffic officers and police officers when
they were not responding to calls. No extra funding was put towards the
campaign to provide dedicated overtime staff, as has happened in previous
years.

Officers conducting the campaign also seized 17 cars in Hull and 12 in the
East Riding for not having any insurance.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ecks-1-383-fau...

--
Simon Mason

Do the local police check bikes?
If not, why not?

Yes, they do check bikes, Mr P.
Usually for lighting issues, like the 1000's of cars that get pulled
for having faulty lighting.

--
Simon Mason

Some good comments to this piece - here are the top rated ones.

QUOTE:

by GarethC2010
Friday, February 24 2012, 10:57AM

“charleswelton...they are fighting crime. People who drive around in
bangers which are dangerous are usually the same imbeciles who can't
be bothered with insurance or are driving whilst disqualified, or off
their heads on drugs. They are the reason that everyone elses
insurance is so high. Get over it you clown.”

by Aquity
Friday, February 24 2012, 10:49AM

“No sympathy, if you own a motor vehicle you should be fully aware of
how to run and maintain your vehicle properly.

Not sure I understand people touting this as a money making exercise,
if the vehicles are defective then they deserve a fine. why should the
police be there to educate a motorist that they need to have tread on
their tyres?

Ignorance is no excuse. If I was fined for having something defective
on my car I certainly would't complain as its my duty to make sure my
vehicle is fit for purpose

by Aquity
Friday, February 24 2012, 10:53AM

“@charleswelton

Sarcasm? seriously? If somebody had a vehicle with less than legal
tread limit, couldn't brake in time and crashed into another vehicle
killing a family with young children in wet conditions, then it would
then be viewed as a crime wouldn't it?
prevention and all that...”


by David_Nivea
Friday, February 24 2012, 1:59PM

“Well done to the police. This just goes to show the scale of this
problem of poorly-maintained vehicles.

@perryfarrel: if people are having "...to cut corners to make ends
meet...", maybe they could start by getting rid of their cars. I
imagine that kid fodder will come out of child benefits, which all
parents receive for reproducing, for some reason.

I've long thought that many people simply cannot afford to keep and,
importantly, maintain a vehicle to the level that complies with legal
requirements: this simply proves it. Usual hilarious indignation from
'motorists' in some of the comments.”
by gary1232011

Friday, February 24 2012, 12:29PM
..
"another money making scheme from blunderside police, why dont they
try stop little toe rags like that kid on the front of the paper
yesterday rather then harrasing innocent motorists"

How can a driver who has a duff bulb or bald tyres be "innocent"?
They are breaking the law and that is what we pay the police for - to
uphold the law.

--
Simon Mason”


by Spineshank
Friday, February 24 2012, 5:30PM

“It always makes me laugh when people use the same old tiring
argument. Someone broke into your home/garage and stole your tv/tools.
The police did nothing, yet they want to harass motorists.

The obvious logical fallacy involved here is that when the police
catch someone committing a driving offence, the perpetrator is at the
scene. However when they want to solve a burglary, they rely on eye
witnesses and forensic evidence due to the perpetrator (in most cases)
being absent from the scene. It's not easy to solve a crime with no
forensic evidence, no witnesses and no leads to go on. They're police
officers, not magicians.

Secondly I love it when people complain about this type of police
work, calling it a money making scheme. It's the exact same people who
complain about speed cameras.

A) Speed cameras and schemes like this wouldn't make a profit IF
people didn't break the law. The ironic part is the very people who
complain about these things are the very people who are being given
the fines, thus making these schemes a viable business plan!

B) They're breaking the law. There's no defence for that.

--
Simon Mason

"Simon Mason" wrote in message
...
On Feb 24, 7:35 pm, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:
"Simon Mason" wrote in message

. uk...





Nearly 1400 drivers caught in police campaign making the roads safer for
cyclists.

QUOTE:

HUNDREDS of cars were found to be defective during a police campaign.
Officers found 1,383 cars were faulty during a month of checks in East
Yorkshire.
It was part of a campaign to ensure motorists were ready to drive in
wintry
weather.

PC Keith Ward, casualty reduction officer for Hull, said: "People
sometimes
say the police stop people for no reason, but most of the motorists we
stopped gave us their time and were appreciative.

"They were getting a free check and many appreciated finding out any
problems they may not have known about otherwise.

"Doing a campaign like this and finding defects helps reduce accidents
and
casualties."

PC Ward said insufficient tyre tread depth and broken lights were the
most
common problems found by officers.

He said: "I put the problems with tyres down to the recession. People
are
tightening their belts and getting their cars serviced less frequently.

"They are probably looking at their tyres and thinking they will last a
bit
longer, but it is crucial that people check them.

"The tyre is the only thing between you and the road. It is what keeps
your
car safely on the road."

Of those cars stopped, 413 were given vehicle defect forms, which means
the
driver will face no penalty if the fault is repaired within two weeks.

If not, the motorist is summonsed to court.

Another 211 drivers were referred to courses run by Humberside Police,
including considerate driving and driver improvement courses.

However, 759 people were given a fixed penalty ticket, with some also
being
given three points on their licence.

"Prosecution is only a last resort," said PC Ward.

"Education is a big part of what we do and the drivers we spoke to
during
this campaign seemed to appreciate that.

"The majority of drivers have been dealt with by means of a defect
rectification notice that gives the driver the opportunity to rectify
the
defect found, thus ensuring a road-legal vehicle.

"Others were offered a diversion scheme, which is an alternative to
getting
three penalty points and a fine."

The campaign was carried out by traffic officers and police officers
when
they were not responding to calls. No extra funding was put towards the
campaign to provide dedicated overtime staff, as has happened in
previous
years.

Officers conducting the campaign also seized 17 cars in Hull and 12 in
the
East Riding for not having any insurance.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ecks-1-383-fau...

--
Simon Mason

Do the local police check bikes?
If not, why not?

Yes, they do check bikes, Mr P.
Usually for lighting issues, like the 1000's of cars that get pulled
for having faulty lighting.

--
Simon Mason

Apart from the lights, do they check the roadworthiness of the bike?
As for cars with defective light, it does seem to be epidemic this year.

On Feb 25, 2:00 pm, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:
"Simon Mason" wrote in message

...
On Feb 24, 7:35 pm, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:





"Simon Mason" wrote in message

.uk...

Nearly 1400 drivers caught in police campaign making the roads safer for
cyclists.

QUOTE:

HUNDREDS of cars were found to be defective during a police campaign.
Officers found 1,383 cars were faulty during a month of checks in East
Yorkshire.
It was part of a campaign to ensure motorists were ready to drive in
wintry
weather.

PC Keith Ward, casualty reduction officer for Hull, said: "People
sometimes
say the police stop people for no reason, but most of the motorists we
stopped gave us their time and were appreciative.

"They were getting a free check and many appreciated finding out any
problems they may not have known about otherwise.

"Doing a campaign like this and finding defects helps reduce accidents
and
casualties."

PC Ward said insufficient tyre tread depth and broken lights were the
most
common problems found by officers.

He said: "I put the problems with tyres down to the recession. People
are
tightening their belts and getting their cars serviced less frequently.

"They are probably looking at their tyres and thinking they will last a
bit
longer, but it is crucial that people check them.

"The tyre is the only thing between you and the road. It is what keeps
your
car safely on the road."

Of those cars stopped, 413 were given vehicle defect forms, which means
the
driver will face no penalty if the fault is repaired within two weeks.

If not, the motorist is summonsed to court.

Another 211 drivers were referred to courses run by Humberside Police,
including considerate driving and driver improvement courses.

However, 759 people were given a fixed penalty ticket, with some also
being
given three points on their licence.

"Prosecution is only a last resort," said PC Ward.

"Education is a big part of what we do and the drivers we spoke to
during
this campaign seemed to appreciate that.

"The majority of drivers have been dealt with by means of a defect
rectification notice that gives the driver the opportunity to rectify
the
defect found, thus ensuring a road-legal vehicle.

"Others were offered a diversion scheme, which is an alternative to
getting
three penalty points and a fine."

The campaign was carried out by traffic officers and police officers
when
they were not responding to calls. No extra funding was put towards the
campaign to provide dedicated overtime staff, as has happened in
previous
years.

Officers conducting the campaign also seized 17 cars in Hull and 12 in
the
East Riding for not having any insurance.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ecks-1-383-fau...

--
Simon Mason

Do the local police check bikes?
If not, why not?

Yes, they do check bikes, Mr P.
Usually for lighting issues, like the 1000's of cars that get pulled
for having faulty lighting.

--
Simon Mason

Apart from the lights, do they check the roadworthiness of the bike?
As for cars with defective light, it does seem to be epidemic this year.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

An "epidemic", you say?
I would like to live in your neck of the woods then if there are so
many cyclists around - safety in numbers and all that.

--
Simon Mason

"Simon Mason" wrote in message
...
On Feb 25, 2:00 pm, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:
"Simon Mason" wrote in message

...
On Feb 24, 7:35 pm, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:





"Simon Mason" wrote in message

.uk...

Nearly 1400 drivers caught in police campaign making the roads safer
for
cyclists.

QUOTE:

HUNDREDS of cars were found to be defective during a police campaign.
Officers found 1,383 cars were faulty during a month of checks in
East
Yorkshire.
It was part of a campaign to ensure motorists were ready to drive in
wintry
weather.

PC Keith Ward, casualty reduction officer for Hull, said: "People
sometimes
say the police stop people for no reason, but most of the motorists
we
stopped gave us their time and were appreciative.

"They were getting a free check and many appreciated finding out any
problems they may not have known about otherwise.

"Doing a campaign like this and finding defects helps reduce
accidents
and
casualties."

PC Ward said insufficient tyre tread depth and broken lights were the
most
common problems found by officers.

He said: "I put the problems with tyres down to the recession. People
are
tightening their belts and getting their cars serviced less
frequently.

"They are probably looking at their tyres and thinking they will last
a
bit
longer, but it is crucial that people check them.

"The tyre is the only thing between you and the road. It is what
keeps
your
car safely on the road."

Of those cars stopped, 413 were given vehicle defect forms, which
means
the
driver will face no penalty if the fault is repaired within two
weeks.

If not, the motorist is summonsed to court.

Another 211 drivers were referred to courses run by Humberside
Police,
including considerate driving and driver improvement courses.

However, 759 people were given a fixed penalty ticket, with some also
being
given three points on their licence.

"Prosecution is only a last resort," said PC Ward.

"Education is a big part of what we do and the drivers we spoke to
during
this campaign seemed to appreciate that.

"The majority of drivers have been dealt with by means of a defect
rectification notice that gives the driver the opportunity to rectify
the
defect found, thus ensuring a road-legal vehicle.

"Others were offered a diversion scheme, which is an alternative to
getting
three penalty points and a fine."

The campaign was carried out by traffic officers and police officers
when
they were not responding to calls. No extra funding was put towards
the
campaign to provide dedicated overtime staff, as has happened in
previous
years.

Officers conducting the campaign also seized 17 cars in Hull and 12
in
the
East Riding for not having any insurance.

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ecks-1-383-fau...

--
Simon Mason

Do the local police check bikes?
If not, why not?

Yes, they do check bikes, Mr P.
Usually for lighting issues, like the 1000's of cars that get pulled
for having faulty lighting.

--
Simon Mason

Apart from the lights, do they check the roadworthiness of the bike?
As for cars with defective lights, it does seem to be epidemic this
year.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

An "epidemic", you say?
I would like to live in your neck of the woods then if there are so
many cyclists around - safety in numbers and all that.

--
Simon Mason

Eh?