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Do you see a connection b/ the generation gap and bikes?
(Hey, this is getting political, but anyway the solution lies in
politics) This is a statement I put in my webpage. I saw it all from the inside, both in the presidential campaigns of 2000 and 2004, living close to an older community, where the issues were Elian Gonzalez (remember him?), Cuba and terrorism... And I argued with them, "Are you crazy? We need other issues: Peace, Global Warming, BIKE FACILITIES, so the younger generations can have a chance!" But the elderly, on cue from the radio, which made up the issues, and influenced by some hotdogs, voted for the "tough candidates." People as old as 90 plus! And when I pressed them hard, they would often shrug their shoulders and reply, "I'm gonna die tomorrow, so who cares!" So, would a younger voter care about bicycling for peace and the environment? "I'm fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in." -George McGovern A REVOLUTION FOR THE YOUNG? Sorry, guys, but this revolution is for the young --or at least for the young at heart-- who care about the future, and about a quality of life surrounding their needs. Regrettably, they are not being enticed into politics. Important issues like TRAFFIC SAFETY and BIKE FACILITIES are kept out of the political discourse. Simply, cunning politicians lure the elderly, who are easily duped with the politics of fear. Remember the 2000 elections in Miami-Dade County. In other words: the Banana Republic relies on the old and ignorant, while the Banana Revolution appeals to the young and hopeful... FACT: 80% of the young who don't vote do not live in democracy. WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? (because the lion is hungry) http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution |
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Do you see a connection b/ the generation gap and bikes?
ComandanteBanana wrote:
(Hey, this is getting political, but anyway the solution lies in politics) But your posts are less and less relevant to the UK where we're quite happy to get involved with pushing the case for cycling without you, so I've trimmed uk.rec.cycling form the x-post list. Lesson #1 for successful revolutions: don't **** off the people you want to do the fighting. Rhetorical question #1: ever noticed how heavy cross posting with less than scrupulous attention paid to which groups are included ****es a lot of folk off on Usenet? -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Do you see a connection b/ the generation gap and bikes?
On May 23, 6:54 am, Peter Clinch wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote: (Hey, this is getting political, but anyway the solution lies in politics) But your posts are less and less relevant to the UK where we're quite happy to get involved with pushing the case for cycling without you, so I've trimmed uk.rec.cycling form the x-post list. Lesson #1 for successful revolutions: don't **** off the people you want to do the fighting. Well, first you have to start by telling me that you want to do the fighting, then I stop the posting. But when you listen to the radio, you hear the same lies at least 100 times. By the way, did I ever say George Orwell was my inspiration? The little animals launch the revolution, but never trust the pigs. So they are organized around a political platform instead. Something like... COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1 Forget about Marx, Lenin, Che or Mao. The next Revolution will be led by the sardines with no complicated theories and without any need for big fishes who betray the revolution. "If there was hope, it must lie in the SARDINES, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five per cent of the population... could the force to destroy the SHARK ever be generated. ...the SARDINES, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the SHARK to pieces tomorrow morning." -George Orwell, "1984" Well, it's not literally what Orwell said (put the words PROLES and PARTY in it), but you get the point: THE SARDINES SURE CAN CHALLENGE THE SHARK! "The hope lies in the proles," he said in the same book. |
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Do you see a connection b/ the generation gap and bikes?
ComandanteBanana wrote:
But your posts are less and less relevant to the UK where we're quite happy to get involved with pushing the case for cycling without you, so I've trimmed uk.rec.cycling form the x-post list. Lesson #1 for successful revolutions: don't **** off the people you want to do the fighting. Well, first you have to start by telling me that you want to do the fighting, then I stop the posting. Okay, re-read what I said: "where we're quite happy to get involved with pushing the case for cycling without you", so now I've told you (twice in fact) so it's time for your half of the bargain. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Do you see a connection b/ the generation gap and bikes?
On May 23, 9:55*am, Peter Clinch wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote: But your posts are less and less relevant to the UK where we're quite happy to get involved with pushing the case for cycling without you, so I've trimmed uk.rec.cycling form the x-post list. Lesson #1 for successful revolutions: don't **** off the people you want to do the fighting. Well, first you have to start by telling me that you want to do the fighting, then I stop the posting. Okay, re-read what I said: "where we're quite happy to get involved with pushing the case for cycling without you", so now I've told you (twice in fact) so it's time for your half of the bargain. I guess then I would to take my revolution to Haiti or Zimbabwe, where everything is possible. I think the First World is too fat for it. Anyway, this is the question I'd put to they young Haitian and Zimbabweans... Originally Posted by gcottay "Uh, what particular voting question do you have in mind?" My point is that if I were to put biking among the presidential issues, the younger voters would go for it, while the older ones would be indifferent to it, and since they represent the overwhelming majority... I saw a movie (whose name I regrettably forgot) in which, depending how you phrase a poll, it's the answer you get. So if I were to ask, "Would you like to give priority to bikes on the right lane of multiple-lane roads, and limit vehicle speed to 20MPH?" Then you emphasize the fun and sexy factor in bicycling, not the environmental ones, I bet it would be a big "YES" among young voters. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The revolution starts when you ride a bike. You think of it as a kinder, gentler vehicle that will help keep Peace as well as save the Environment, and make you Sexy." http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution |
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Do you see a connection b/ the generation gap and bikes?
ComandanteBanana wrote:
On May 23, 9:55 am, Peter Clinch wrote: Okay, re-read what I said: "where we're quite happy to get involved with pushing the case for cycling without you", so now I've told you (twice in fact) so it's time for your half of the bargain. I guess then I would to take my revolution to Haiti or Zimbabwe, where everything is possible. I think the First World is too fat for it. Well, off you go then. But before you go (either anyway, or just into my killfile), you may wish to consider that your modus operandi of being much better at telling than listening has actively /alienated/ someone who has been a frequent correspondent with various organisations and politicians regarding cycle safety, who has been interviewed on live radio concerning cycle safety, has been invited to peer review an article on cycling safety for a transport safety journal, who is a qualified cycle trainer, who leads local cycle rides for the UK's biggest cyclists' organisation and who has served on work place committees to improve cycle facilities. So if you've managed to **** off someone with that list of pro-cycling brownie points by failing to recognise that folk in the UK have an entirely different political system which renders a lot of what you say irrelevant, how do you think you're doing with anyone else on urc? Anyway, this is the question I'd put to they young Haitian and Zimbabweans... snip Again, showing yourself to be amazingly out of touch with anyone beyond your own back yard. Do you really think they don't have more important things to worry about than how sexy bikes are? Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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THE BICYCLE IS THE VEHICLE OF FREEDOM
On May 23, 10:54*am, Peter Clinch wrote:
ComandanteBanana wrote: On May 23, 9:55 am, Peter Clinch wrote: Okay, re-read what I said: "where we're quite happy to get involved with pushing the case for cycling without you", so now I've told you (twice in fact) so it's time for your half of the bargain. I guess then I would to take my revolution to Haiti or Zimbabwe, where everything is possible. I think the First World is too fat for it. Well, off you go then. But before you go (either anyway, or just into my killfile), you may wish to consider that your modus operandi of being much better at telling than listening has actively /alienated/ someone who has been a frequent correspondent with various organisations and politicians regarding cycle safety, who has been interviewed on live radio concerning cycle safety, has been invited to peer review an article on cycling safety for a transport safety journal, who is a qualified cycle trainer, who leads local cycle rides for the UK's biggest cyclists' organisation and who has served on work place committees to improve cycle facilities. So if you've managed to **** off someone with that list of pro-cycling brownie points by failing to recognise that folk in the UK have an entirely different political system which renders a lot of what you say irrelevant, how do you think you're doing with anyone else on urc? Well, we promise to accomplish in one year what you could accomplish in fifty, so our jobs are complementary. But the UK also swims in the sea of globalization, and not as a sardine... Anyway, this is the question I'd put to they young Haitian and Zimbabweans... snip Again, showing yourself to be amazingly out of touch with anyone beyond your own back yard. *Do you really think they don't have more important things to worry about than how sexy bikes are? Well, in the Third World they have one priority: SURVIVAL. Basic food and basic transportation, ie the bike. Their elites, though, carefully groomed by the First World, drive SUVs... So we can emphasize there that they won't have to work as hard as in the First World, or that THE BICYCLE IS THE VEHICLE OF FREEDOM. Let me recycle this post (one last time)... Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike "An easy call on the OP and his "Banana Revolution" fantasy and imbecilic generalizing/stereotyping." The Banana Revolution has to do with the survival of the small fish (read bikes) in a sea of globalization. And the old people are used by the sharks to vote for their Darwinistic agenda, get it? Well I'm glad somebody else besides me noticed the connection between bananas and revolution... Bananas and the Revolution Peter Schata There is a long political history behind bananas becoming the fifth most important food commodity in the world. They were one of the first products where no expense was spared to create world markets for this unmistakeable fruit, turning whole countries over to banana production, with stooge dictators controlled by the USA, in what aptly became known as 'the banana republics'. Half a century after the big Hollywood-style banana campaigns, the banana reflects ever more clearly a world economic system concerned only with the kind of 'growth' that means control of the markets and massive profits. What happens to the environment or to the people, who produce and consume the fruit of such intentions, appears to be irrelevant. In our democracies there is little self-determination, and we only need to look at poverty and unemployment in Europe as well, to raise doubts as to what is meant by 'free trade'. Such distortions of language that hoodwink millions of people into accepting their lot, need to be challenged and overturned. New language means new ideas, new concepts. This is the revolution. We are this revolution! Such a revolution is especially important if we are to find ways to shift from the current forms of egocentric globalisation to a global society that recognises the actual interrelatedness of all human beings as well as our interconnectedness with the planet that supports us. |
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Do you see a connection b/ the generation gap and bikes?
From a global perspective the best numbers I can come up with are a
good twenty years old: 400,000,000 automobiles (roughly half in the USofA) 1,200,000,000 bicycles Even if you incorrectly assume that all the motoring people have not also a bike (which seems very unlikely to someone that owns several of both) There is still about 3.5.billion people that ain't got no wheels what so ever. No wonder peoples are starving, they ain't got no means with which to haul their ass to the office at all. Well I guess they ain't got to office to which to have their ass hauled to anyway - but there is still significant hauling that could be accomplished by a bloke with a bike that isn't happening due to lack of wheels. IF they had bikes in E.Africa they wouldn't be 'walking to Johhny' and dieing on the way, they'd be pedaling there and some of 'em might actually make there - So I guess the inhabitants of Johannesburg may have a vested interest in keeping bikes out of those impoverished places to their north. I can't really see the motivation for the rest of the world. It seems the best interest of the global economy is served by building more bikes and fewer cars - just the opposite of the trend in China... We must nuke China for the good of the planet and the planet's inhabitants. Or maybe we could just mail our old Huffys and what not to Haiti and Zimbabwe, uh would you settle for JAMAICA and MOLDOVA instead? This outfit: Pedals for Progress: http://www.p4p.org/index.html , might be just the ticket for ya. They're not the only game in town, well I guess it matters what town you're in. From the city with broad shoulders: http://workingbikes.org. Hey you can google fer yourself can't you? Just be careful that your old cycle doesn't end up in Latin America where in might become a mechanism to promote illegal emigration, dang... I sound like them fat cats in Johannesburg don't I? |
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BIKES OR WWIII!
On May 23, 1:43*pm, DennisTheBald wrote:
From a global perspective the best numbers I can come up with are a good twenty years old: * *400,000,000 automobiles (roughly half in the USofA) 1,200,000,000 bicycles Even if you incorrectly assume that all the motoring people have not also a bike (which seems very unlikely to someone that owns several of both) There is still about 3.5.billion people that ain't got no wheels what so ever. *No wonder peoples are starving, they ain't got no means with which to haul their ass to the office at all. *Well I guess they ain't got to office to which to have their ass hauled to anyway - but there is still significant hauling that could be accomplished by a bloke with a bike that isn't happening due to lack of wheels. All of this makes so much sense. But I guess the Harvard and Oxford educated Third World leaders don't know about it. Somehow they think SUVs helps more globalization than biking. Afterall, like you correctly say, China is moving away from bikes and getting into the SUV fever... IF they had bikes in E.Africa they wouldn't be 'walking to Johhny' and dieing on the way, they'd be pedaling there and some of 'em might actually make there - So I guess the inhabitants of Johannesburg may have a vested interest in keeping bikes out of those impoverished places to their north. *I can't really see the motivation for the rest of the world. *It seems the best interest of the global economy is served by building more bikes and fewer cars - just the opposite of the trend in China... We must nuke China for the good of the planet and the planet's inhabitants. China is a big player in the game, though not necessarily bad... See, they just follow America, and their hunger for oil is driving prices up, and making bikes more desirable in the West. And, when things get real bad with oil, they may become America's enemy in WWIII, and then the two models that promote the Law of the Jungle will annihalate each other. Of course, there's going to be a nuclear fallout all over the world, but nothing's perfect. Or maybe we could just mail our old Huffys and what not to Haiti and Zimbabwe, uh would you settle for JAMAICA and MOLDOVA instead? This outfit: Pedals for Progress:http://www.p4p.org/index.html, might be just the ticket for ya. They're not the only game in town, well I guess it matters what town you're in. *From the city with broad shoulders:http://workingbikes.org. Hey you can google fer yourself can't you? Just be careful that your old cycle doesn't end up in Latin America where in might become a mechanism to promote illegal emigration, dang... I sound like them fat cats in Johannesburg don't I? It sounds funny, but the dilemma is BIKES OR WWIII! But I'm optimistic today... I just went for a ride on my bike along the beach, and everything beautiful out there. Life's a beach! |
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BIKES OR WWIII!
Originally Posted by wahoonc
"Actually in some ways what he is posting makes some sense...When Cuba was hit with the loss of oil when the Soviet Union collapsed, they imported a large number of bicycles from China to keep people moving, they became healthier due to increased exercise and still had a form of transport, they WERE headed down the same road as many other countries with the automobile. In Vietnam the US was constantly having problems stopping the supply line from the north, millions of pounds of amunition and supplies was being hauled down the Ho Chi Minh trail...by bicycle! And the US with all of it sophisticated equipment and weaponry was almost powerless to stop it." Aaron I was watching a fictional documentary about the day oil runs out. Well, America doesn't have an oil policy! Zero, zilch, nada... America would have to invade Venezuela, making China do some move in the Middle East, so they can keep going in their voracious journey toward destruction. It would be so easy to practice some prevention, starting with the magic word: save! Our president has to tell Americans to save gas, electricity, bottles, etc. But the way we work reminds me of these words written 100 years ago... "In a society dominated by the fact of commercial competition, money is necessarily the test of prowess, and wastefulness the sole criterion of power." -Upton Sinclair, book 'The Jungle' |
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