Motorists who cause serious injury to face longer in jail

Can't come soon enough.

"A WOMAN who drove her car into a mother-of-one on a pedestrian crossing has
been fined £500 and banned from driving by Brent magistrates.

Pia Jessika Hessellund Ovesen failed to stop on Uxbridge Road, Pinner, in
July and caused substantial injuries to Emma Berg, a 32-year-old mother, the
court heard.

Ms Ovesen, who lives in Wales, was ordered to pay £300 plus costs of £200
and was disqualified from driving for two years.

The court was told how Ms Berg, from Aldenham, suffered bruising on her face
and body after the incident and spent three days in hospital recovering.

The driver was arrested at the scene and charged with driving without due
care and attention and failing to stop at a pedestrian crossing. "

http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west...6451-29596725/


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Simon Mason wrote:
Can't come soon enough.

"A WOMAN who drove her car into a mother-of-one on a pedestrian
crossing has been fined £500 and banned from driving by Brent
magistrates.
Pia Jessika Hessellund Ovesen failed to stop on Uxbridge Road,
Pinner, in July and caused substantial injuries to Emma Berg, a
32-year-old mother, the court heard.

Ms Ovesen, who lives in Wales, was ordered to pay £300 plus costs of
£200 and was disqualified from driving for two years.

The court was told how Ms Berg, from Aldenham, suffered bruising on
her face and body after the incident and spent three days in hospital
recovering.
The driver was arrested at the scene and charged with driving without
due care and attention and failing to stop at a pedestrian crossing. "

http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west...6451-29596725/

will it also apply to cyclists?

On 16/10/2011 09:23, Mrcheerful wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:
Can't come soon enough.

"A WOMAN who drove her car into a mother-of-one on a pedestrian
crossing has been fined £500 and banned from driving by Brent
magistrates.
Pia Jessika Hessellund Ovesen failed to stop on Uxbridge Road,
Pinner, in July and caused substantial injuries to Emma Berg, a
32-year-old mother, the court heard.

Ms Ovesen, who lives in Wales, was ordered to pay £300 plus costs of
£200 and was disqualified from driving for two years.

The court was told how Ms Berg, from Aldenham, suffered bruising on
her face and body after the incident and spent three days in hospital
recovering.
The driver was arrested at the scene and charged with driving without
due care and attention and failing to stop at a pedestrian crossing. "

http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west...6451-29596725/

will it also apply to cyclists?



What? Driving a car into someone on a pedestrian crossing? I would hope
so. Can’t see how cyclists should be exempt.

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Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
On 16/10/2011 09:23, Mrcheerful wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:
Can't come soon enough.

"A WOMAN who drove her car into a mother-of-one on a pedestrian
crossing has been fined £500 and banned from driving by Brent
magistrates.
Pia Jessika Hessellund Ovesen failed to stop on Uxbridge Road,
Pinner, in July and caused substantial injuries to Emma Berg, a
32-year-old mother, the court heard.

Ms Ovesen, who lives in Wales, was ordered to pay £300 plus costs of
£200 and was disqualified from driving for two years.

The court was told how Ms Berg, from Aldenham, suffered bruising on
her face and body after the incident and spent three days in
hospital recovering.
The driver was arrested at the scene and charged with driving
without due care and attention and failing to stop at a pedestrian
crossing. "
http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west...6451-29596725/

will it also apply to cyclists?



What? Driving a car into someone on a pedestrian crossing? I would
hope so. Can’t see how cyclists should be exempt.

Will riding your bicycle into someone and causing their injury , such as in
a similar way to the case reported above, carry the same sort of punishment
as a car driver would receive?

INCLUDING banning from the road.

On 16/10/2011 11:53, Mrcheerful wrote:
Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
On 16/10/2011 09:23, Mrcheerful wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:
Can't come soon enough.

"A WOMAN who drove her car into a mother-of-one on a pedestrian
crossing has been fined £500 and banned from driving by Brent
magistrates.
Pia Jessika Hessellund Ovesen failed to stop on Uxbridge Road,
Pinner, in July and caused substantial injuries to Emma Berg, a
32-year-old mother, the court heard.

Ms Ovesen, who lives in Wales, was ordered to pay £300 plus costs of
£200 and was disqualified from driving for two years.

The court was told how Ms Berg, from Aldenham, suffered bruising on
her face and body after the incident and spent three days in
hospital recovering.
The driver was arrested at the scene and charged with driving
without due care and attention and failing to stop at a pedestrian
crossing. "
http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west...6451-29596725/

will it also apply to cyclists?



What? Driving a car into someone on a pedestrian crossing? I would
hope so. Can’t see how cyclists should be exempt.

Will riding your bicycle into someone and causing their injury , such as in
a similar way to the case reported above, carry the same sort of punishment
as a car driver would receive?

Don't know, overall I think these punishments for causing bodily harm
are far too low anyway.

INCLUDING banning from the road.

Unlikely. However this person was not banned from the road, she was
"disqualified from driving for two years." I would take that to mean
that her licence was revoked for 2 years making her unable to legally
drive any form of motorised vehicle which needs a licence to drive - on
the road.

A pedal bike rider does not need a licensed. Therefore no such licence
can be revoked.

Or are you suggesting that if a pedal bike rider were to do this they
should have their driving licence revoked? That might actually be a good
idea.

If someone is irresponsible on a bike, there is a fairly good chance
they will be irresponsible in a car.

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For personal replies, please use my reply-to address.

Phil W Lee wrote:
"Mrcheerful" considered Sun, 16 Oct 2011
09:23:18 +0100 the perfect time to write:

Simon Mason wrote:
Can't come soon enough.

"A WOMAN who drove her car into a mother-of-one on a pedestrian
crossing has been fined £500 and banned from driving by Brent
magistrates.
Pia Jessika Hessellund Ovesen failed to stop on Uxbridge Road,
Pinner, in July and caused substantial injuries to Emma Berg, a
32-year-old mother, the court heard.

Ms Ovesen, who lives in Wales, was ordered to pay £300 plus costs of
£200 and was disqualified from driving for two years.

The court was told how Ms Berg, from Aldenham, suffered bruising on
her face and body after the incident and spent three days in
hospital recovering.
The driver was arrested at the scene and charged with driving
without due care and attention and failing to stop at a pedestrian
crossing. "

http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west...6451-29596725/

will it also apply to cyclists?

There are proposals that cyclists should be allowed to use pedestrian
crossings, so this protection from errant motorists would extend to
them as well.

AFAICS, that rule will only apply where the crossing is part of a cycle
path, and would presumably be a light controlled crossing in such a case.

The question I was attempting to ask is: will cyclists that injure
pedestrians, also get the same higher penalties that motorists are to face?
If not, why not?

On 16-Oct-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
On 16/10/2011 09:23, Mrcheerful wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:
Can't come soon enough.

"A WOMAN who drove her car into a mother-of-one on a pedestrian
crossing has been fined £500 and banned from driving by Brent
magistrates.
Pia Jessika Hessellund Ovesen failed to stop on Uxbridge Road,
Pinner, in July and caused substantial injuries to Emma Berg, a
32-year-old mother, the court heard.

Ms Ovesen, who lives in Wales, was ordered to pay £300 plus costs of
£200 and was disqualified from driving for two years.

The court was told how Ms Berg, from Aldenham, suffered bruising on
her face and body after the incident and spent three days in
hospital recovering.
The driver was arrested at the scene and charged with driving
without due care and attention and failing to stop at a pedestrian
crossing. "
http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west...6451-29596725/

will it also apply to cyclists?



What? Driving a car into someone on a pedestrian crossing? I would
hope so. Can’t see how cyclists should be exempt.

Will riding your bicycle into someone and causing their injury , such as
in
a similar way to the case reported above, carry the same sort of
punishment
as a car driver would receive?

INCLUDING banning from the road.

Well riding a bicycle into a car cannot cause death or injury to the driver
but driving a car into a cyclist can. From that I would assume that
penalties for riding a bicycle into a car would be zero. The only people at
risk from cyclists are pedestrians and other cyclists, both vulnerable road
users who cannot kill motorists during a collision but can be killed by
motorists. From this I would deduce that motorists are much more dangerous
than cyclists, they also have a much more dangerous crash momentum, and
therefore motorists who cause death or injury deserve stiffer penalties than
cyclists, if the law is to be a suitable deterrent. Because of the extra
danger from their vehicles, motorists must exercise extra special driving
care and when they don't they should receive a suitable punishment.
Unfortunately, because we live in a car-culture dominated society and
justice system, punishments for motorists are often derisory and decided by
fellow motorists. So, increasing those punishments is a matter long overdue
and still not nearly enough. Where else, apart from a road or pavement, are
people allowed to kill other people in such a fashion?

The fact that cyclists do not have to have licences and insurance says a
great deal about how the lawmakers in the past have perceived the risk from
them, such as it is.

-- .
RoadPeace.
http://www.roadpeace.org/
For road crash victims.

On 17/10/2011 07:22, Doug wrote:

Well riding a bicycle into a car cannot cause death or injury to the driver
but driving a car into a cyclist can. From that I would assume that
penalties for riding a bicycle into a car would be zero.

Sit down a minute.

I don't know quite how to break this this to your in your delusional state...

....but you're wrong.

See whether you can work out why.

On Oct 16, 1:27*pm, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote:


Unlikely. However this person was not banned from the road, she was
"disqualified from driving for two years." I would take that to mean
that her licence was revoked for 2 years making her unable to legally
drive any form of motorised vehicle which needs a licence to drive - on
the road.

A pedal bike rider does not need a licensed. Therefore no such licence
can be revoked.


This has yet to sink in so it seems.

Cheerless seems to believe that cyclists can be banned from the roads.

--
Simon Mason

On 17/10/2011 07:22, Doug wrote:
On 16-Oct-2011, wrote:

Simon Weaseltemper wrote:
On 16/10/2011 09:23, Mrcheerful wrote:
Simon Mason wrote:
Can't come soon enough.

"A WOMAN who drove her car into a mother-of-one on a pedestrian
crossing has been fined £500 and banned from driving by Brent
magistrates.
Pia Jessika Hessellund Ovesen failed to stop on Uxbridge Road,
Pinner, in July and caused substantial injuries to Emma Berg, a
32-year-old mother, the court heard.

Ms Ovesen, who lives in Wales, was ordered to pay £300 plus costs of
£200 and was disqualified from driving for two years.

The court was told how Ms Berg, from Aldenham, suffered bruising on
her face and body after the incident and spent three days in
hospital recovering.
The driver was arrested at the scene and charged with driving
without due care and attention and failing to stop at a pedestrian
crossing. "
http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west...6451-29596725/

will it also apply to cyclists?



What? Driving a car into someone on a pedestrian crossing? I would
hope so. Can’t see how cyclists should be exempt.

Will riding your bicycle into someone and causing their injury , such as
in
a similar way to the case reported above, carry the same sort of
punishment
as a car driver would receive?

INCLUDING banning from the road.

Well riding a bicycle into a car cannot cause death or injury to the driver


Oh yes it can

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090821/155878305.html


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Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University