lame fattie masters

(Bret Wade) wrote in message . com...

I once saw a woman who is a many time world champion cheat in a small
local time trial in Colorado by drafting one of the cat 1 men. She did
this despite the fact that she was going to take 2 minutes out of her
closest competition anyway. I figured that there were several possible
explanations:

1. still a little unclear about the rules after two decades of elite
racing
2. winning by less than 2 minutes would have been embarrassing
3. needed practice cheating for when it might actually be useful
4. curious about whether the officials were brave enough to do
anything
5. for some, cheating is a compulsive behavior with no logical
explanation

Bret

I hate to use his name in a thread titled "lame fattie masters", but
I'm reminded of an incident a few years ago that my friend Lindsay
Blount had with Jeannie Longo. He was off the front in the Masters 40+
at the Visalia Road Race (R.I.P.) and he overtook the P12 women's
field. He went right through on the climb but Jeannie latched on and
got away from her field. Apparently she pulled really fast on the flat
part and the two of them got a big gap. Soon the moto official came up
and told them to separate. According to Lindsay, after talking it over
in broken English/French, they decided to continue on together anyway.
Lindsay was pretty sure he'd be DQ'ed but he thought the opportunity
to ride with Jeannie was worth it. One can only wonder why Jeannie
went along with it, considering she would have won a few hundred
dollars easily. (BTW, they did stay away.)

Mark

Mark Fennell wrote:
I hate to use his name in a thread titled "lame fattie masters", but I'm
reminded of an incident a few years ago that my friend Lindsay Blount
had with Jeannie Longo. He was off the front in the Masters 40+ at the
Visalia Road Race (R.I.P.) and he overtook the P12 women's field. He
went right through on the climb but Jeannie latched on and got away from
her field. Apparently she pulled really fast on the flat part and the
two of them got a big gap. Soon the moto official came up and told them
to separate. According to Lindsay, after talking it over in broken
English/French, they decided to continue on together anyway. Lindsay was
pretty sure he'd be DQ'ed but he thought the opportunity to ride with
Jeannie was worth it. One can only wonder why Jeannie went along with
it, considering she would have won a few hundred dollars easily. (BTW,
they did stay away.)



It's possible that the women's race was not challenging enough for her,
and like like your buddy, it was worth a possible DQ to get in the
effort she felt she needed for the day.



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(Ilan Vardi) wrote in message . com...
"Andy Coggan" wrote in message k.net...
Not long before I flatted during the TT at master nationals on Monday, I
found myself rolling up on a couple of riders who looked like they were
doing a 2-up TTT. I swear, the guy sitting on was no more than a wheel's
length directly behind the other rider, and stayed there for at least a
minute - it could have been for even longer, but that's about as long as I
had them in sight before a state police car passed me and then tucked in
behind them, causing the 2nd rider to drop back a little (but still not the
required distance). My question is, what would motivate some lame fattie
master to attempt to cheat during an ITT? It's not like the guy had any hope
of making the podium...

Sign up on Yahoo Games and you will learn all about cheating. What I
find interesting are the rationalisations for cheating, like, "you're
not nice, etc." As for Masters racing, more intriguing is the drug
question, as there is probably not too much doubt that a large percentage
of the riders are high on all kinds of stuff, including the backmarkers.

As for you question regarding the fact that the guy had no hope
of making podium, it might be because master's racing is mostly
about being the best you can be, even if it means cheating... As I
said, people will come up with all kinds of rationalisations when under
stress.

You're pretty much full of **** on this one Ilan.
Talking out your ass without any way to back it up;
being completely removed (academic) from the subject.

-Ken


-ilan

P.S. "lame fattie master" = redundant twice over.

"warren" wrote in message
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Yeah, that Larry Nolan weighs 210 lbs! How can he be one of the best
45-year old racers in the country and weigh that much?




That's easy. Because his weight is very close to the mean in that group.

"Mark Fennell" wrote in message
om...

I hate to use his name in a thread titled "lame fattie masters", but
I'm reminded of an incident a few years ago that my friend Lindsay
Blount

Why? It's a good title.

had with Jeannie Longo. He was off the front in the Masters 40+
at the Visalia Road Race (R.I.P.) and he overtook the P12 women's
field. He went right through on the climb but Jeannie latched on and
got away from her field. Apparently she pulled really fast on the flat
part and the two of them got a big gap. Soon the moto official came up
and told them to separate. According to Lindsay, after talking it over
in broken English/French, they decided to continue on together anyway.
Lindsay was pretty sure he'd be DQ'ed but he thought the opportunity
to ride with Jeannie was worth it. One can only wonder why Jeannie
went along with it, considering she would have won a few hundred
dollars easily.


Some things are better than money.


(BTW, they did stay away.)



Like that.


As much as some Masters Fatties would like to imagine they are only one step
away from professional status with their winnings, what we really take with
us from cycling in the long run are the memories. Props to your friend
Lindsay.

Bret Wade wrote in message ink.net...
Ilan Vardi wrote:

As for Masters racing, more intriguing is the drug
question, as there is probably not too much doubt that a large percentage
of the riders are high on all kinds of stuff, including the backmarkers.

What makes you think you know anything about this? I'm right in the
middle of it and I'm only certain about one guy, and that's based on
circumstantial and 2nd hand evidence. There are a handful of guys I
suspect, but I don't even have a good rumor to base that on. Are there
expatriate fattie masters meeting you for rides at Vincennes, feeding
you the inside scoop?

I'm not so naive as to think there is no drug use in masters racing, but
I believe the majority are clean. I've never seen any first hand
evidence of drug use.

-ilan

P.S. "lame fattie master" = redundant twice over.

What makes you think you know anything about this? Were you constantly
dropping the USPS Masters guys on the morning ride while you were at
Stanford? Did they suffer badly on your wheel until you popped them? If
not, what makes you think you know anything about this?

At least Kurgan has some experience upon which to base his odd notions.

Bret


does tequila count as a performance enhancer?

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"warren" wrote in message
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Yeah, that Larry Nolan weighs 210 lbs! How can he be one of the best
45-year old racers in the country and weigh that much?

That's easy. Because his weight is very close to the mean in that group.

Perhaps his weight is indeed "high" -- I suppose I'll take Warren's word for it. But he isn't the
prototypical fat guy you are thinking of. The dude is very muscular and powerfully built. You don't win
Nevada City if you have a poor power-to-weight ratio; no, not even in the 45+ group.


Nevada City Classic
Nevada City, CA, 6/15/2003

Master 45+, Field 22
1 Lawrence Nolan US Postal Service Masters Cycling Team
2 Wayne Stetina US Postal Service Masters Cycling Team
3 Paul Wolfe
4 Glen Winkel US Postal Service Masters Cycling Team
5 Brian McGuire
6 Mark Caldwell
7 Roger Marquis
8 Kent Bostick
9 Stan Urban
10 David Covington crc/travelocity

"Suz" wrote in message ...
"Andy Coggan" wrote in message
nk.net...
"PedalChick" wrote in message
om...
I heard the same thing about the 40-44 group - apparently there was a
smooth rotating paceline going on in that TT... when you look at the
results, there's probably a group of guys significantly faster than
everyone else, but 30 seconds apart, or thereabouts.

Ya know, there are several guys who are close to 30 seconds apart! :-)

Aside from road guards at one
T-intersection and people at the turnaround, that was the only official
presence I saw on the whole course.


I think I saw 2 moto officials. I don't get the cheating thing either.
It's not like the stakes are SO high, even if you win, all you get is a
gold-colored medal and a jersey that will probably be on sale at Performance
next year. (Still, it's nice to have, even though it's too big... :-)

What did you guys think of the guy who brought his BIKE to the podium, and
then proceeded to hold up the ceremonies while he got several extra pictures
taken of him and his BIKE on the PODIUM. He didn't even win, I think he was
3rd. The winner had to step around the guy's BIKE to get to his spot on the
podium. What a hoser. Hope that wasn't any of you guys.

Suz

Suz - where's the pic of YOU with the jersey on? The only pics I see
on NWRaceReport are of you getting ready to start, then some old guy
getting a jersey who I don't even know. Get Eric on it.

-a

"K. J. Papai" wrote

You're pretty much full of **** on this one Ilan.
Talking out your ass without any way to back it up;
being completely removed (academic) from the subject.


Dumbass -


The Tour is over.
Get back to your closets before I lose my patience.

Thanks,

Ronde Gringioni

Davey Crockett wrote in message ...

Some wannabee, no-hoper, neverwozzer ****** that thinks Bobet
was on Coppi's squad, and tries to con the RBR crowd into
thinking he knows it all, wouldn't know Sh!t about Sh!t.

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Speaking of which, what does "le vent a Dos" mean?

-ilan