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  #151  
Old August 19th 18, 03:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/14/2018 10:42 AM, jbeattie wrote:

One of the persons posting on that video indicates that he/she doesn't put in a tube but rather patches the tire with what look like a bacon strip. Mmmmmm. Bacon. https://shop.genuineinnovations.com/...ire-repair-kit Anyway, don't you need a special pump for tubeless to get that big burst of bead-setting air. Is a CO2 cartridge good enough? This is important to me because I want to make repairs as complex as possible being that I have nothing else to do in my life. Actually, though, I might go tubeless on the commuter if it means I can ride over spike strips, glass shards, hand-grenades, homeless, etc.


Here you go Jay: http://www.tannus.com/ctg_1404308681.html
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Old August 19th 18, 03:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/14/2018 11:17 AM, wrote:

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First I have to find the problem tubeless solves for me.


They are an answer to a question nobody asked.
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Old August 19th 18, 03:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/15/2018 5:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:

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If it were possible to make a proper tubeless bcycle tire with out goop,
we'd all ride them.


I doubt it. Unlike on most vehicles, you really don't want to carry a
spare wheel/tire.

A proper tubeless tire, able to operate at high pressure, would not be
easy to repair on the road. While sealant will seal small holes, you
need to put in the plugs to seal larger holes, and if you get a sidewall
hole that the sealant can't seal, and that's too big for a plug, you're
really out of luck.

The bottom line is that with tubeless you still need to carry a tube and
pump or CO2.
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Old August 19th 18, 03:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/15/2018 5:49 PM, jbeattie wrote:

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And why don't they make them with radial steel belts and a 40,000 mile warranty! I certainly don't have to fix flats on my car every few weeks or months, and I don't have to put goop in the tires either -- and when they get soft, a light goes off on my dashboard. Why isn't that standard equipment on bicycles! I'm outraged and have decided to protest in front of a bicycle shop. https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.07/ar...d13a8b45d1.jpg That was my last protest about poor road conditions in winter and traction loss on ice. Abolish ice! Right on! Stay strong my brothers!


You can buy an after-market TPMS system that connects via Bluetooth to
your phone. https://my-fobo.com/Product/FOBOBIKE.

But for the rest of what you want you're out of luck.

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Old August 19th 18, 10:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/17/2018 12:30 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 11:54:40 AM UTC-7, Mark J. wrote:
On 8/16/2018 10:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/16/2018 11:35 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 8:54:36 AM UTC-7, duane wrote:
On 16/08/2018 10:41 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 4:00:24 PM UTC+2, John B. Slocomb
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:04:48 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:25:54 PM UTC+2, John B. Slocomb
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 02:40:52 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 10:02:24 AM UTC+2, John B.
Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:18:27 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 2:16:32 AM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2018 6:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2018 1:39 PM,
wrote:
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:26:14 AM UTC-7, news18
wrote:
On 14/08/18 08:48,
wrote:
Obviously you like carrying around two tubes, a patch
kit, two CO2 cartridges and a filler and a mini-pump
because it seems romantic to you.

Speaking of weight, just how heavier are these tubeless
systems compared
to the old tyre and tube system.

You are perfectly free to feel that the same technology
used on every other rubber tired vehicle in the world is
not suited to bicycles but if you're going to argue,
don't use inadequate responses like "lock you in to
their products"
Â*Â*Â*Â* or "testing procedures are only for very narrow test
conditions." when this isn't the case at all. It is far
easier to test bicycle tire performance than those of a
motorcycles.
+++
How many of these "every other rubber tyred vehcicles"
are not driven by
an ICE or similar power plant. P.S. you can leave out
shopping trolleys.
.

Why are you arguing this? Tubeless tires are missing the
weight of a tube. What's more, because the sealant is so
reliable you can use lighter racing-style tires rather
than armored tires such as the Gatorskins or the others of
similar construction. The flat tests I presented earlier
was a guy riding Continental 4000's - a racing tire that
has minimal rolling resistance in the tests.

I don't understand what you want us to do, Tom. I've got six
personal bikes plus a tandem. Oh, plus another 1930s antique
stored in the garage attic. They have five different wheel
sizes. Surely you don't want me to run out and convert them
all to tubeless?

I have no current plans to buy another bike. If I start down
that path, I might look at the issue. But I'm not seeing a
compelling advantage.

Right now, my main issue is learning how to repair them if
there is a problem, because I do get recruited to help fix
bike problems. I'm not looking forward to dealing with the
goop.


If it were possible to make a proper tubeless bcycle tire
with out goop, we'd all ride them.

--
Andrew Muzi
Â*Â*Â* www.yellowjersey.org/
Â*Â*Â* Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Right. Goop is the reason I not even consider tubeless. Up to
the last tire test in TOUR magazine the best tubeless tires
had a higher RR compared to the best clincher tires. Now they
are on par. They are a bit heavier and harder to mount. That
would be all manageable for me but dealing with the goop not.

Lou

But from reading posts here it seemed like the anti-flat goop
was main
argument for using tubeless.

Without goop I think the chance of a pinchflat is much lower so
you can ride with lower pressures for traction reasons or
comfort. That is an advantage riding off road on a cross bike or
MTB. Pinchflats on a roadbike is a no issue for me. My flats on
the roadbike are almost exlusively caused by small glass pieces
or chips of rocks. For that you need the goop to make the
tubeless tire self sealant.

Lou

Why the furor about tubeless and no flats. After all they have been
making goop to inject into tire tubes and making them self
sealing for
about 30 years now. Strange that no one seems to be using that
although it is considerably cheaper - about 2.00 a wheel.

Why you ask me? Carl Fogel (how is he BTW) used that green stuff
and I didn't know anyone who patched more flats than him. I don't
think that green goop works for pinch flats. Tubeless does by
default; no tube to pinch. For road bikes pinch flats aren't a
problem at least not for me. Off road with a crossbike with 32-35
mm wide tires it is because you want to run them at low pressure
for traction. If I gonna try tubeless it will be on my crossbike
but without the goop.

Lou

I adjust the tire pressure to manage pinch flats.

It is a compromize between comfort, traction and vulnerablity for
pinchflats. Off road on a crossbike traction is more important. Do
you ride off road on a crossbike with 32 mm wide tires?

It is a little
optimistic, I think, to expect a tube/tire not develop leaks is you
smash it flat between two hard surfaces at high speeds.

I expect a tubeless tire with sturdier side walls to be more robust
for pinchflats. It is silly to ridicule someones choice. This
applies to you and to Tom. I think Andrew got it right. Sometimes
tubeless makes sense, sometimes it is a solution looking for a problem.

+1

I agree, except with the statement that "It is silly to ridicule
someones choice."Â* That is demonstrably untrue.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e9/0c...41635450a3.jpg


-- Jay Beattie.


ouch.
Can we just stay with cycling?
http://i.pinimg.com/236x/ca/ed/69/ca...2029075847.jpg


I'm astonished at the ubiquity and staying power of that image; I think
we've all seen it dozens of times on the interwebs. I doubt the guy had
any clue how famous he'd become.

Mark J.


It's so sad -- that's Fabio Baldato, who just couldn't lay off the cannolis after his retirement. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...8DaTqmF_u-F6O7 How quickly they fall. Next thing you know, he'll get busted with Jan Ulrich for smacking hookers.

-- Jay Beattie.


OMG, please tell me you're joking. I'm irony impaired and can't tell
anymore.

Mark J.
  #159  
Old August 19th 18, 10:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/19/2018 7:05 AM, sms wrote:
On 8/14/2018 9:07 AM, jbeattie wrote:

I boot casings with a dollar bill or a Cliff bar wrapper, held in
place by an inner tube.Â* What's the fix on a tubeless tire when you
cut a casing or get a hole that won't self-seal?


Spouse, friend, Uber, etc.


OK, but how do you get them into the tire casing?

Mark (maybe not so irony impaired after all) J.


  #160  
Old August 20th 18, 04:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 11:14:13 PM UTC-7, Andy wrote:
I had to repair a flat. Have some questions.

Is it best to apply patch to a completly flat tube?

I found a small copper wire in tire.

Is there something to minimize what can puncture tire?

Thanks


I posted three or four messages yesterday about SMS's ridiculous postings. I got emails saying that my messages weren't posted. I found that interesting since I didn't cuss him out or anything - I only posted youtube proof that even racing teams are changing to tubeless tires. That you can't get a flat on a road tubeless unless you totally destroy the tire which would render a tube tire useless as well. One of those videos even showed that rolling resistance went down with reductions of pressure as the pavement gets progressively bumpier. Oh well, I suppose sms can use his 20 mm tires at 8 bar on his commuter.
 




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