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On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:01:53 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 04:57:26 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:35:18 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: Seems it's easy to modify an e-bike to travel up to about 45 kph. http://cphpost.dk/news/souped-up-ele...tial-accident- waiting-to-happen-authority-says.html Unskilled newbies blasting through traffic at 30 mph? Sure! What could go wrong? Given the amount of plastic in modern cars, it might redress the bicyclist/motorist injury ratios. A 250 watt motor is max legal here,but its possible to buy a 1,000 watt overseas and ship it in. All it requires is wheel buldng skills and deep pockets for the battery. OTOH, we can all hope self immolation is a feature of such activities. Professional cyclist can develop peak power of about 1200 watts in a sprint and can reach a speed of about 66 mph. Perhaps just an exercise program is cheaper than a souped-up e-bike :-) Work, sweat, you jest. The buyers would be people who want a "motor cycle" but are banned because they don't have a riders license. usually for past misdemeanors. At one stage, ICE add ons for bicycles were popular, until they were out lawed. E-bikes only now. |
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On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 4:54:52 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/13/2019 6:27 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 4:15:13 PM UTC-4, Zen Cycle wrote: On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 9:13:46 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: I think it was John Allen (author of the excellent Street Smarts booklet) who pointed out that until now, there's been at least a rough correlation between a rider's average speed and his skill on the bike.. E-bikes destroy that correlation. "Chipped" ones will be worse. I'd suggest these are Darwin Awards candidates, except that such people careening on a e-bike could kill innocent bystanders as well. Or cause innocent bicyclists to crash trying to avoid those darn e-bikes. I've seen that happen a number of times on rail-trails around here which is another reason I avoid those rail-trails a lot of times. Some e-bike users seem to think that any off road path or trail is there for them to speed along at the top speed of their e-bike. They seem to EVER consider that maybe someone else is using the trail from the opposite direction. Speed is weirdly addictive when you've got a motor. I remember an incident back in the 1970s. I had been riding my motorcycle and lost something I had strapped to the bike. (I can't now recall what it was.) Anyway, I took the motorcycle back out and rode the same streets and country roads at low speed, maybe 29 - 25 mph, to look for the lost item. And I remember thinking "This is really pleasant." At low speed, there was very little noise from wind or from the engine. I had much more time to look all around and appreciate my surroundings. It felt like there was less risk of crashing. It was quite relaxing. But ever since, with rare exceptions, when riding a motorcycle I've chosen the highest speeds the law would allow. -- - Frank Krygowski I watch something cars doing that you do one bikes for a reason but cars really have no reason - drafting. I watch cars drive 100 mph to catch the group in front of them that is blocking the entire freeway. I even see them doing this in cities when you can SEE a red light up the road that will force you to stop. If they did a more moderate speed they could drive right through these lights all green for them. Instead it is STOP-GO LIKE HELL-STOP et al. I have a real problem drafting anymore. I have to watch the road and the horizon since I don't have any balance. That means that I often cannot watch the person I'm drafting close enough and they will slow down and I end up half-wheeling them. So now I either ride alone of ride pretty far off the back. |
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On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 4:54:52 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/13/2019 6:27 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 4:15:13 PM UTC-4, Zen Cycle wrote: On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 9:13:46 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: I think it was John Allen (author of the excellent Street Smarts booklet) who pointed out that until now, there's been at least a rough correlation between a rider's average speed and his skill on the bike.. E-bikes destroy that correlation. "Chipped" ones will be worse. I'd suggest these are Darwin Awards candidates, except that such people careening on a e-bike could kill innocent bystanders as well. Or cause innocent bicyclists to crash trying to avoid those darn e-bikes. I've seen that happen a number of times on rail-trails around here which is another reason I avoid those rail-trails a lot of times. Some e-bike users seem to think that any off road path or trail is there for them to speed along at the top speed of their e-bike. They seem to EVER consider that maybe someone else is using the trail from the opposite direction. Speed is weirdly addictive when you've got a motor. I remember an incident back in the 1970s. I had been riding my motorcycle and lost something I had strapped to the bike. (I can't now recall what it was.) Anyway, I took the motorcycle back out and rode the same streets and country roads at low speed, maybe 29 - 25 mph, to look for the lost item. And I remember thinking "This is really pleasant." At low speed, there was very little noise from wind or from the engine. I had much more time to look all around and appreciate my surroundings. It felt like there was less risk of crashing. It was quite relaxing. But ever since, with rare exceptions, when riding a motorcycle I've chosen the highest speeds the law would allow. -- - Frank Krygowski Because I raced motorcycles I always had had more speed than I ever wanted on the tracks. Riding on the streets I would go slow or at most keep level with traffic. |
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On 6/17/2019 1:10 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 4:54:52 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2019 6:27 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 4:15:13 PM UTC-4, Zen Cycle wrote: On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 9:13:46 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: I think it was John Allen (author of the excellent Street Smarts booklet) who pointed out that until now, there's been at least a rough correlation between a rider's average speed and his skill on the bike. E-bikes destroy that correlation. "Chipped" ones will be worse. I'd suggest these are Darwin Awards candidates, except that such people careening on a e-bike could kill innocent bystanders as well. Or cause innocent bicyclists to crash trying to avoid those darn e-bikes. I've seen that happen a number of times on rail-trails around here which is another reason I avoid those rail-trails a lot of times. Some e-bike users seem to think that any off road path or trail is there for them to speed along at the top speed of their e-bike. They seem to EVER consider that maybe someone else is using the trail from the opposite direction. Speed is weirdly addictive when you've got a motor. I remember an incident back in the 1970s. I had been riding my motorcycle and lost something I had strapped to the bike. (I can't now recall what it was.) Anyway, I took the motorcycle back out and rode the same streets and country roads at low speed, maybe 29 - 25 mph, to look for the lost item. And I remember thinking "This is really pleasant." At low speed, there was very little noise from wind or from the engine. I had much more time to look all around and appreciate my surroundings. It felt like there was less risk of crashing. It was quite relaxing. But ever since, with rare exceptions, when riding a motorcycle I've chosen the highest speeds the law would allow. -- - Frank Krygowski I watch something cars doing that you do one bikes for a reason but cars really have no reason - drafting. I watch cars drive 100 mph to catch the group in front of them that is blocking the entire freeway. I even see them doing this in cities when you can SEE a red light up the road that will force you to stop. If they did a more moderate speed they could drive right through these lights all green for them. Instead it is STOP-GO LIKE HELL-STOP et al. I have a real problem drafting anymore. I have to watch the road and the horizon since I don't have any balance. That means that I often cannot watch the person I'm drafting close enough and they will slow down and I end up half-wheeling them. So now I either ride alone of ride pretty far off the back. While I don't get to do it very often, I still enjoy drafting. On a club ride last week, a strong rider and I enjoyed sailing in the last few miles at well over 20 mph. I was enjoying it because my front wheel was about six inches behind his back wheel. For a long time, I was the draftee in that situation. When my wife and I are on the tandem, that's still sometimes the case. But that day I was the drafter, barely hanging on - but having a great time. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:25:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 6/17/2019 1:10 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 4:54:52 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2019 6:27 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 4:15:13 PM UTC-4, Zen Cycle wrote: On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 9:13:46 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: I think it was John Allen (author of the excellent Street Smarts booklet) who pointed out that until now, there's been at least a rough correlation between a rider's average speed and his skill on the bike. E-bikes destroy that correlation. "Chipped" ones will be worse. I'd suggest these are Darwin Awards candidates, except that such people careening on a e-bike could kill innocent bystanders as well. Or cause innocent bicyclists to crash trying to avoid those darn e-bikes. I've seen that happen a number of times on rail-trails around here which is another reason I avoid those rail-trails a lot of times. Some e-bike users seem to think that any off road path or trail is there for them to speed along at the top speed of their e-bike. They seem to EVER consider that maybe someone else is using the trail from the opposite direction. Speed is weirdly addictive when you've got a motor. I remember an incident back in the 1970s. I had been riding my motorcycle and lost something I had strapped to the bike. (I can't now recall what it was.) Anyway, I took the motorcycle back out and rode the same streets and country roads at low speed, maybe 29 - 25 mph, to look for the lost item. And I remember thinking "This is really pleasant." At low speed, there was very little noise from wind or from the engine. I had much more time to look all around and appreciate my surroundings. It felt like there was less risk of crashing. It was quite relaxing. But ever since, with rare exceptions, when riding a motorcycle I've chosen the highest speeds the law would allow. -- - Frank Krygowski I watch something cars doing that you do one bikes for a reason but cars really have no reason - drafting. I watch cars drive 100 mph to catch the group in front of them that is blocking the entire freeway. I even see them doing this in cities when you can SEE a red light up the road that will force you to stop. If they did a more moderate speed they could drive right through these lights all green for them. Instead it is STOP-GO LIKE HELL-STOP et al. I have a real problem drafting anymore. I have to watch the road and the horizon since I don't have any balance. That means that I often cannot watch the person I'm drafting close enough and they will slow down and I end up half-wheeling them. So now I either ride alone of ride pretty far off the back. While I don't get to do it very often, I still enjoy drafting. On a club ride last week, a strong rider and I enjoyed sailing in the last few miles at well over 20 mph. I was enjoying it because my front wheel was about six inches behind his back wheel. For a long time, I was the draftee in that situation. When my wife and I are on the tandem, that's still sometimes the case. But that day I was the drafter, barely hanging on - but having a great time. I once drafted a small motorcycle with a sidecar for about 25 kilos, coming back from a Sunday ride, at a steady 35 kph. When we got to where I turned off the highway to my little village I almost didn't stop as I was having such a good time :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:25:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/17/2019 1:10 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 4:54:52 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/13/2019 6:27 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 4:15:13 PM UTC-4, Zen Cycle wrote: On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 9:13:46 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote: I think it was John Allen (author of the excellent Street Smarts booklet) who pointed out that until now, there's been at least a rough correlation between a rider's average speed and his skill on the bike. E-bikes destroy that correlation. "Chipped" ones will be worse. I'd suggest these are Darwin Awards candidates, except that such people careening on a e-bike could kill innocent bystanders as well. Or cause innocent bicyclists to crash trying to avoid those darn e-bikes. I've seen that happen a number of times on rail-trails around here which is another reason I avoid those rail-trails a lot of times. Some e-bike users seem to think that any off road path or trail is there for them to speed along at the top speed of their e-bike. They seem to EVER consider that maybe someone else is using the trail from the opposite direction. Speed is weirdly addictive when you've got a motor. I remember an incident back in the 1970s. I had been riding my motorcycle and lost something I had strapped to the bike. (I can't now recall what it was.) Anyway, I took the motorcycle back out and rode the same streets and country roads at low speed, maybe 29 - 25 mph, to look for the lost item. And I remember thinking "This is really pleasant." At low speed, there was very little noise from wind or from the engine. I had much more time to look all around and appreciate my surroundings. It felt like there was less risk of crashing. It was quite relaxing. But ever since, with rare exceptions, when riding a motorcycle I've chosen the highest speeds the law would allow. -- - Frank Krygowski I watch something cars doing that you do one bikes for a reason but cars really have no reason - drafting. I watch cars drive 100 mph to catch the group in front of them that is blocking the entire freeway. I even see them doing this in cities when you can SEE a red light up the road that will force you to stop. If they did a more moderate speed they could drive right through these lights all green for them. Instead it is STOP-GO LIKE HELL-STOP et al. I have a real problem drafting anymore. I have to watch the road and the horizon since I don't have any balance. That means that I often cannot watch the person I'm drafting close enough and they will slow down and I end up half-wheeling them. So now I either ride alone of ride pretty far off the back. While I don't get to do it very often, I still enjoy drafting. On a club ride last week, a strong rider and I enjoyed sailing in the last few miles at well over 20 mph. I was enjoying it because my front wheel was about six inches behind his back wheel. For a long time, I was the draftee in that situation. When my wife and I are on the tandem, that's still sometimes the case. But that day I was the drafter, barely hanging on - but having a great time. I once drafted a small motorcycle with a sidecar for about 25 kilos, coming back from a Sunday ride, at a steady 35 kph. When we got to where I turned off the highway to my little village I almost didn't stop as I was having such a good time :-) Motor-pacing is part of most training programs. I rode with some juniors, and the father of one built a motor-pacing motorcycle with a little roller wheel on the back. It was pretty slick. His son, Don Myhra, was later a pro and more recently a world champ masters CX rider. https://www.cxmagazine.com/don-myrah...ment-interview Gads. The last time I saw him, he was a kid. Makes a guy feel old. Motor pacing on a bike is illegal on the road since it is "following too closely." Many years ago, a bunch of us got busted for drafting a team car around a local island. No tickets. Just warnings from the sheriff. Twice. They don't seem to mind if you draft other cyclists which technically is also following too closely. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 10:21:25 AM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
Motor pacing on a bike is illegal on the road since it is "following too closely." Not in massachusetts. The 'following too closely' statute applies exclusively to motorized vehicles here. I've been lectured by more than a few cops from various towns here over the (many) years, but that's it. One said "I'd ticket you if I could". |
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On 6/18/2019 12:33 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 10:21:25 AM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote: Motor pacing on a bike is illegal on the road since it is "following too closely." Not in massachusetts. The 'following too closely' statute applies exclusively to motorized vehicles here. I've been lectured by more than a few cops from various towns here over the (many) years, but that's it. One said "I'd ticket you if I could". I knew one local rider who got a "following too closely" ticket. The judge and his staff laughed about it, and the judge threw it out. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 9:53:07 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/18/2019 12:33 PM, Zen Cycle wrote: On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 10:21:25 AM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote: Motor pacing on a bike is illegal on the road since it is "following too closely." Not in massachusetts. The 'following too closely' statute applies exclusively to motorized vehicles here. I've been lectured by more than a few cops from various towns here over the (many) years, but that's it. One said "I'd ticket you if I could". I knew one local rider who got a "following too closely" ticket. The judge and his staff laughed about it, and the judge threw it out. Following a car too closely is probably an offense here because of our case law and the statute making the rules of the road that apply to "motor vehicles" equally applicable to bicycles with exceptions: ORS 814.400 (1) Every person riding a bicycle upon a public way is subject to the provisions applicable to and has the same rights and duties as the driver of any other vehicle concerning operating on highways, vehicle equipment and abandoned vehicles, except: (a) Those provisions which by their very nature can have no application. (b) When otherwise specifically provided under the vehicle code. (2) Subject to the provisions of subsection (1) of this section: (a) A bicycle is a vehicle for purposes of the vehicle code; and (b) When the term “vehicle” is used the term shall be deemed to be applicable to bicycles. (3) The provisions of the vehicle code relating to the operation of bicycles do not relieve a bicyclist or motorist from the duty to exercise due care.. The fact that a rule of the road expressly references "motor vehicles" is not enough to exempt bicycles -- according to our CA. The "following too closely" statute is also pretty vague, leaving open the question of what is "reasonably prudent." With two consenting cyclists, a few inches may be reasonably prudent. Note that the statute also differentiates between "motor vehicle" and vehicle, making it clear that following a bicycle in a car too closely is also an offense. ORS 811.485 (1) A person commits the offense of following too closely if the person does any of the following: (a) Drives a motor vehicle so as to follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of the vehicles and the traffic upon, and condition of, the highway. * * * * * -- Jay Beattie. |
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