Real Election Reform

No Rocketman needs some time off at this place

http://www.bocanews.com/index.php?sr...20New s%20%20

Tom Sherman claims it worked wonders

"skip" wrote in message
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"Eric Jorgensen" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:52:33 GMT
"Rocketman" wrote:
A chimpanzee was able to
sucessfully hack a Diebold voting machine. That's how bad it is.

Rocketman


But, you know, it's gonna be alright.

Right. All Rocketman needs is a liberal minded
chimpanzee to handle this little voting problem he seems to have.

"Rocketman" wrote in message
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Absolutely! The fact that the US doesn't have *any* secure balloting
systems proves that our voting system is corrupt. It's not a matter of
*if* the vote will be corrupted, but *when* and *by whom*. You can take
that to mean "real democracy is dead." If the vote can be stolen, you
might as well let a corrupt dictatorial junta take power by judicial coup
and steal two consecutive elections. Oh yeah...that has already happened.

Our voting systems are *designed* to be corrupted by any unscrupulous
person who wishes to do so, with little or no recourse offered. Poll
workers have always been at liberty to toss out ballots they didn't want
to count, calling them "spoiled." Electronic machines have no security
whatsoever, as has been proven repeatedly. A chimpanzee was able to
sucessfully hack a Diebold voting machine. That's how bad it is.

Rocketman

"D Flint" wrote in message
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What do you think about this and have you seen this popular site before?

This was taken from a web site
http://www.afvr.org

How can we safeguard the integrity of each vote?
Today we have technology that protects our financial systems, military
weapon systems and national intelligent organizations. These proven
systems
can be combined in a way to issue serialized equipment to authorize
personnel for the dates and hours needed. Each would have their own level
of
clearance to perform the tasks they are responsible for. Each action
would
be recorded and verified with a higher levels of network authority and
again, only available during the hours and dates needed. Ballots would
only
be printed after the voter has cast their vote but before they leave the
booth. If the voter made a mistake he could put the printed ballot into
the
booth's scanner for correction. All ballots scanned at the booth would go
into a shredder and the voter could then correct his ballot on the screen
and reprint his ballots. Once the voter accepts the printed ballot he
submits his vote on the screen and takes the two ballots to the
depository.
So two computer generated, serialized and scanner perfect receipts of the
completed ballot are printed.* One for the voter and one for the public
record. This would eliminate all the extra ballots that could be used for
unauthorized voting as well as any question of voter intent. Each piece
of
equipment involved in the issuing of the receipt would be linked to the
serial# of that ballot and an electronic document would be generated that
exactly matched the two printed receipts. So the voter themselves has
validate the printed ballots, keeping one for themselves, while the other
electronic time-stamped document is deposited into an optical scanner
used
as a secure depository. This second scanned count which should always
match
the electronic count. This paper ballot could also be used for recounts
if
needed. The voter could use the receipt to inquire about their vote in
the
future. The stuffing of the ballot box or "finding ballots" would be
eliminated. With this system, if you find a ballot, you have to find the
voter that cast that ballot too. This is not so in any of the current
systems in place today nor have we ever heard such a system ever
proposed.
http://www.afvr.org

All of the above was posted no doubt for the delectation of Mr. Tom Sherman
who continues to believe that elections are stolen in this country. Without
getting into the nuts and bolts of this post, let me say that those who
cannot figure out how to vote correctly are too stupid to be voting in the
first place. Unfortunately for liberals like Mr. Sherman and Rocketman most
of these type voters just happen to be Democrats. Too bad for them, but that
is what comes of being ignorant and stupid. Why should the rest of us bend
over backwards to accommodate the most stupid among us.

Frankly, I am relieved whenever I hear that almost 50% of the electorate
does not vote. Thank God for that! The only folks I want voting are those
who have bothered to inform themselves on the issues and have at least
enough brains to figure out how to cast a vote correctly.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Mark Leuck" wrote in message
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"Rocketman" wrote in message
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"Eric Jorgensen" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:52:33 GMT
"Rocketman" wrote:
A chimpanzee was able to
sucessfully hack a Diebold voting machine. That's how bad it is.

Rocketman


But, you know, it's gonna be alright.


I keep telling myself "there's only so much damage that a president can
do
in four years." That was *before* Bush got re-selected.

Arrrgh.

Rocketman

He won, get over it already


Mission Accomplished.

R

Skip:

Good comeback. I may be really naive, but it's my impression that VPNs or
dedicated networks aren't very vulnerable to hacking no mater how vulnerable
the software happens to be. That said, a 12-year-old could probably come up
with a better election system. But it turns out that the only really
irrefutable evidence of fraud took place in King County, WA where there were
a few thousand more votes than registered voters in the most heavily
Democratic county in the state, and where the Democratic candidate won by
under 200 votes statewide. I don't care what your party happens to be, if
you care about valid elections this would be the first case study you'd
bring up. Nasty, nasty, nasty. (Did I say "nasty?") And it appears that
there's more than enough evidence to hold another election, so it's not over
yet....

Me, I'm getting ready to support my HS marching contingent in the Inaugural
next week. They've been in nearly every Inaugural since Kennedy's, and a
lot of them before that. I doubt that many of those kids care very much who
the heck they're inaugurating. I sure didn't when I marched in LBJ's parade
in 1964. The thing is, to BE THERE. When you're not there, when you've
taken a powder, you're not even a footnote in history. You're an
afterthought.

And here's a little wisdom from Victor Davis Hanson about short term versus
long term perspective:

" But never mind all this: The long-term prospects are still as bright as
things seem gloomy in the short-term — but only if we emulate our
grandfathers and press on with the third Middle East election in the last
six months. "

Let's see, that's three more than zero isn't it?

--
--Scott
"skip" wrote in message
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"Eric Jorgensen" wrote in message
news:20050111212758.4e256529@wafer...
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:52:33 GMT
"Rocketman" wrote:
A chimpanzee was able to
sucessfully hack a Diebold voting machine. That's how bad it is.

Rocketman


But, you know, it's gonna be alright.

Right. All Rocketman needs is a liberal minded
chimpanzee to handle this little voting problem he seems to have.

"Freewheeling" wrote in message
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Skip:

Good comeback. I may be really naive, but it's my impression that VPNs or
dedicated networks aren't very vulnerable to hacking no mater how
vulnerable the software happens to be. That said, a 12-year-old could
probably come up with a better election system. But it turns out that the
only really irrefutable evidence of fraud took place in King County, WA
where there were a few thousand more votes than registered voters in the
most heavily Democratic county in the state, and where the Democratic
candidate won by under 200 votes statewide. I don't care what your party
happens to be, if you care about valid elections this would be the first
case study you'd bring up. Nasty, nasty, nasty. (Did I say "nasty?")
And it appears that there's more than enough evidence to hold another
election, so it's not over yet....

Me, I'm getting ready to support my HS marching contingent in the
Inaugural next week. They've been in nearly every Inaugural since
Kennedy's, and a lot of them before that. I doubt that many of those kids
care very much who the heck they're inaugurating. I sure didn't when I
marched in LBJ's parade in 1964. The thing is, to BE THERE. When you're
not there, when you've taken a powder, you're not even a footnote in
history. You're an afterthought.

And here's a little wisdom from Victor Davis Hanson about short term
versus long term perspective:

" But never mind all this: The long-term prospects are still as bright as
things seem gloomy in the short-term - but only if we emulate our
grandfathers and press on with the third Middle East election in the last
six months. "

Let's see, that's three more than zero isn't it?

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--Scott

Over the years I've lost interest in Super Bowls and especially in those
half-time freak shows they put on. I yearn for the days when the half-time
shows featured marching bands such as the Florida A&M Rattlers Marching 100.
Man could those guys put on a show.

If anyone is interested in a super bowl they might want to look towards
Foxboro this weekend.

The ultimate voter intimidation has to be voter assassination. Tremendous
courage is required just to show up at the polls. Voting under the threat
of death is beyond my imagination. It is truly "pressing on" in the
defiance of terror. I salute every voter and every vote cast in the Middle
East along with every person who provides security to protect those voters.

It's discouraging to say the least, but unlike some others I know, I'm
hoping for the best.

skip

skip wrote:
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It's discouraging to say the least, but unlike some others I know, I'm
hoping for the best.

Everyone is hoping for the best. There is however, severe disagreement
over what the "best" is.

The English language can be a tricky thing.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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skip wrote:
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It's discouraging to say the least, but unlike some others I know, I'm
hoping for the best.

Everyone is hoping for the best. There is however, severe disagreement
over what the "best" is.

The English language can be a tricky thing.

--
Tom Sherman

I suppose it could be said that in the minds of some the indiscriminate,
merciless large scale slaughter of those attempting to vote would be "for
the best".

skip

Edward Dolan wrote:

... The g.d. French, always a nation of whores, were in bed with Sadaam. Anyone here
still think the French are on our side?

Here is a useful article for dealing with things French:
http://snipurl.com/c1x9.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:

... The g.d. French, always a nation of whores, were in bed with Sadaam.
Anyone here still think the French are on our side?

Here is a useful article for dealing with things French:
http://snipurl.com/c1x9.

--
Tom Sherman - Near Rock Island


Dispite it all there will always be gratitude in my heart for those who
produced the Nervex lugged PX-10. Mechanical art transcends political
thought.

skip

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:

... The g.d. French, always a nation of whores, were in bed with Sadaam.
Anyone here still think the French are on our side?

Here is a useful article for dealing with things French:
http://snipurl.com/c1x9.

"French bicycles are often of very high quality, but they have their own
idiosyncracies and interchangeability problems. This article tries to point
out the pitfalls that you may run into in maintaining or upgrading a French
bicycle, and offers solutions to common problems.

In the great bike boom of the early-mid '70's, French bicycles were sold in
the U.S. in very large numbers, mostly low-end ten speeds with mild steel
frames, steel rims and cottered cranks. These low-end models are generally
not worth putting any money into, unless you have a strong sentimental
attachment to one. Such a bike can be suitable for use as a "beater" to ride
short distances, perhaps to the train station where you can lock it up
without worrying about theft.

Higher quality French bicycles, with cotterless cranks and aluminum rims are
usually worth restoring or upgrading. They are also often a good choice for
conversion for fixed-gear use. Unfortunately, some of the dimensions and
thread standards used on older French bicycles can make it difficult to find
suitable parts for repair or upgrading."

The above is from the Sheldon Brown web site page on French bicycles.
My first bicycle was a Gitane, a lower end model with the cottered cranks
and mostly steel components. I got it back in the 70's for $139. and it was
my only bike for quite a few years. In the course of owning it I gradually
began to replace every part on it because I wanted a lighter and faster
bike. In the process of doing this I learned all about French
"idiosyncracies and interchangeability problems", much to my dismay. But I
really loved that bike and I still have it.

The French are preeminent in the visual arts and so can often design very
good things indeed. However, this does not excuse them in the political
realm where they prove over and over again what dunces they are. The French
should copy the Italians more and forget about trying to emulate the
Americans, the English and the Germans. The French are more Latin than
Northern and it shows every time they attempt to reach for glory in the
political sphere. They should confine themselves to the arts like the
Italians do.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota