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I cracked up at mile 45 of a 65 mile ride and spent the last 20 miles
granny gearing up the foothills of the Allegheny Mountains. My legs were completely gone and my knees felt like they were going to blow out. Long story, rode too fast early, ate too little, planned wrong, and it was only supposed to be a 50 mile ride. Blah, blah, blah.... Ok, whoopee, who cares. Well, after that I was off the bike for 3 weeks due to work, vacation, family, etc... other than tooling around an island on a junky fixed gear rental. Now back on the bike I'm all fked up. What the hell is this? My threshold for suffering is WAY WAY WAY down. I can't keep the same pace or heart rate going for the same amount of suffering. I wouldn't think 3 weeks off would explain that. And I have NO injuries at all. It's like my brain starts subconciously remembering the traumatic event and is amplifying the pain. I don't think it's physical because I can get out of the saddle and crank away with little more pain. But if I conservatively ride up a 5% grade for more than half a mile it's like I'm about to crack. I'm hoping this is somewhat common and that I can be enlightened as to what's the best thing to do. Thanks, D |
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Cracked up.
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:15:38 -0400, D. Ferguson
wrote: I cracked up at mile 45 of a 65 mile ride and spent the last 20 miles granny gearing up the foothills of the Allegheny Mountains. My legs were completely gone and my knees felt like they were going to blow out. Long story, rode too fast early, ate too little, planned wrong, and it was only supposed to be a 50 mile ride. Blah, blah, blah.... Ok, whoopee, who cares. Well, after that I was off the bike for 3 weeks due to work, vacation, family, etc... other than tooling around an island on a junky fixed gear rental. Now back on the bike I'm all fked up. What the hell is this? My threshold for suffering is WAY WAY WAY down. I can't keep the same pace or heart rate going for the same amount of suffering. I wouldn't think 3 weeks off would explain that. And I have NO injuries at all. It's like my brain starts subconciously remembering the traumatic event and is amplifying the pain. I don't think it's physical because I can get out of the saddle and crank away with little more pain. But if I conservatively ride up a 5% grade for more than half a mile it's like I'm about to crack. I'm hoping this is somewhat common and that I can be enlightened as to what's the best thing to do. You hurt yourself and didn't build on it. Now your body thinks this is something it can hide from. It happens. Just build back up. Pretend it's February or March or something and go through the motions of getting dialed back into the bike. It'll be faster than after a winter off, but it'll be the same process. Get some nice happy miles and hours in and get your body back into relaxing and rolling with the bike. You'll get your mojo back. Ron |
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D. Ferguson wrote:
Now back on the bike I'm all fked up. What the hell is this? My threshold for suffering is WAY WAY WAY down. I can't keep the same pace or heart rate going for the same amount of suffering. I wouldn't think 3 weeks off would explain that. And I have NO injuries at all. 3 weeks is enough to hit your fitness base. If you stop training after a terrific week or month, finish it strong, and come back after three weeks of relative inactivity, you simply won't be as strong. It's possible the "bad ride" affected you psychologically, but I'm not aware of a physical component. It'll be interesting if someone points one out. Just build it back up. -- -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall Conservative dictionary: Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes. |
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On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:38:49 GMT, RonSonic
wrote: I'm hoping this is somewhat common and that I can be enlightened as to what's the best thing to do. You hurt yourself and didn't build on it. Now your body thinks this is something it can hide from. It happens. Just build back up. Pretend it's February or March or something and go through the motions of getting dialed back into the bike. It'll be faster than after a winter off, but it'll be the same process. Get some nice happy miles and hours in and get your body back into relaxing and rolling with the bike. You'll get your mojo back. Ron This is an interesting post. I'm wondering, Ron, if you've had experience in something like this or if you're just offering good will. I'd like to know the physiological basis for something like this. It sounds to me like there was some kind of injury, perhaps related to glycogen depletion and possibly liver damage, or other organ damage and not just something psychological. jj |
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"Jet" wrote in message
... On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:38:49 GMT, RonSonic wrote: I'm hoping this is somewhat common and that I can be enlightened as to what's the best thing to do. You hurt yourself and didn't build on it. Now your body thinks this is something it can hide from. It happens. Just build back up. Pretend it's February or March or something and go through the motions of getting dialed back into the bike. It'll be faster than after a winter off, but it'll be the same process. Get some nice happy miles and hours in and get your body back into relaxing and rolling with the bike. You'll get your mojo back. Ron This is an interesting post. I'm wondering, Ron, if you've had experience in something like this or if you're just offering good will. I'd like to know the physiological basis for something like this. It sounds to me like there was some kind of injury, perhaps related to glycogen depletion and possibly liver damage, or other organ damage and not just something psychological. The book "Consistent Winning" is something I've been recommending a lot lately - applies most to endurance activities like the bike but also works for things like lifting weight. The theory, in a nutshell, is that most people don't take enough time off then get forced to take time off because they've overtrained. It points to a number of examples, Joan Benoit's Olympic Marathon is but one, where people returning after an extended layoff perform better than they did before. The trouble with overtraining is that the time off tends to be time completely off, and that's not best - what's needed is "active recovery", usually light to moderate activity and a few more days off than usual. Anyway, it's a good book, out of print now but still worth finding, IMHO. -S- jj |
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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:35:57 -0400, "Steve Freides"
wrote: "Jet" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:38:49 GMT, RonSonic wrote: I'm hoping this is somewhat common and that I can be enlightened as to what's the best thing to do. You hurt yourself and didn't build on it. Now your body thinks this is something it can hide from. It happens. Just build back up. Pretend it's February or March or something and go through the motions of getting dialed back into the bike. It'll be faster than after a winter off, but it'll be the same process. Get some nice happy miles and hours in and get your body back into relaxing and rolling with the bike. You'll get your mojo back. Ron This is an interesting post. I'm wondering, Ron, if you've had experience in something like this or if you're just offering good will. I'd like to know the physiological basis for something like this. It sounds to me like there was some kind of injury, perhaps related to glycogen depletion and possibly liver damage, or other organ damage and not just something psychological. The book "Consistent Winning" is something I've been recommending a lot lately - applies most to endurance activities like the bike but also works for things like lifting weight. The theory, in a nutshell, is that most people don't take enough time off then get forced to take time off because they've overtrained. It points to a number of examples, Joan Benoit's Olympic Marathon is but one, where people returning after an extended layoff perform better than they did before. The trouble with overtraining is that the time off tends to be time completely off, and that's not best - what's needed is "active recovery", usually light to moderate activity and a few more days off than usual. Anyway, it's a good book, out of print now but still worth finding, IMHO. -S- Huh? I don't see what this has to do with the topic. The guy didn't overtrain, he overstressed his system. I definitely agree with the concept of active recovery, and I think a lot of people overtrain because they don't train consistently - not because they train too hard - they try to cram all their training into the weekend. Among those that do ride consistently the biggest problem seems to be getting stale. jj |
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On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:00:43 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 02:38:49 GMT, RonSonic wrote: I'm hoping this is somewhat common and that I can be enlightened as to what's the best thing to do. You hurt yourself and didn't build on it. Now your body thinks this is something it can hide from. It happens. Just build back up. Pretend it's February or March or something and go through the motions of getting dialed back into the bike. It'll be faster than after a winter off, but it'll be the same process. Get some nice happy miles and hours in and get your body back into relaxing and rolling with the bike. You'll get your mojo back. Ron This is an interesting post. I'm wondering, Ron, if you've had experience in something like this or if you're just offering good will. I'd like to know the physiological basis for something like this. It sounds to me like there was some kind of injury, perhaps related to glycogen depletion and possibly liver damage, or other organ damage and not just something psychological. I've been there, just a couple months ago. For me it was a couple of "epic" mountain bike rides that went bad followed by a medical crisis in the family that kept me off any bike for awhile. As for the rides I'd done over two hard hours on Saturday finishing in a thunderstorm and about three on Sunday that ended in many more miles of driving rain and hail. Normally, if I beat myself up on a bike I'll treat it like a race or other super high intensity day and follow up with a rest day and then use it as a building block. Unfortunately, I ended up checking my dad into a hospital two days later and life preempts cycling. Anyway. It took a few weeks of "starting over" to get back to where I was before. Replicating base mileage worked for me. Then started working in high intensity stuff after a few weeks. That just "felt" like what I needed to do. There may be better, faster, easier ways to recover. After nearly a month off I was also just as interested in having fun on a bike again, anyway. Got a mechanism for it? I don't know squat about biochemistry, really. I do feel that you can exhaust your metabolism and that ramping efforts up and down is necessary to maintaining health. I know after a cruel effort returning can come with the same sort of feelings that go with coming off an injury. I would like to hear more myself from anyone who's met this. Ron |
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D. Ferguson says...
I'm hoping this is somewhat common and that I can be enlightened as to what's the best thing to do. I'm afraid you're all washed up. Time to hang up your cleats. |
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Jet says...
Huh? I don't see what this has to do with the topic. The guy didn't overtrain, he overstressed his system. You don't think that overstressing your system is a component of overtraining? |
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Cracked up.
D. Ferguson wrote: Ok, whoopee, who cares. Dumbass - You are correct. No one cares. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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