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  #91  
Old November 18th 08, 08:33 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Peter Clinch
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Default I am convinced bicycling is not safe

KingOfTheApes wrote:

Anyway, this assessment about Holland seems to support my idea TRAFFIC
TAMING, BIKE ROUTES AND BIKE LANES. Thank you!


Or rather, the above assessment shows you didn't read what I wrote very
carefully, so take back your tanks and read it again.

I said that what makes the real difference isn't the bike paths but the
typical cycle-awareness of the drivers. Think how cycle-aware the
average driver where you are is, and now think how he might improve if
rather than confronting him with more bikes, you confront him with
/less/, by moving the traffic off the road for most of the time (but
crucially *not* the time at junctions where there is most danger).

As I pointed out, there's plenty of shared road space in NL, and it is
shared relatively civilly because, AFAICT, of the awareness of the
typical motorist for cyclists. That awareness does not come about by
removing cyclists from the roads.

The key to be safe isn't putting up physical barriers between cars and
bikes, it's making sure motorists are properly aware of cyclists and
share the road with them as equals. In much the same way that users of
Smart cars share as equals with 18 wheeler trucks that /could/ squash
them like bugs.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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  #92  
Old November 18th 08, 09:10 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Edward Dolan
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"KingOfTheApes" wrote in message
...
[...]
Well, I knew the UK was a smarter place, not only because they have
tamed traffic to a higher degree, but also because they don't have a
Republican party.


The UK is one of the most ****ed up places on earth. Only France is more
****ed up. The last good prime minister they had was Margaret Thatcher who
at least had sense enough to know how to kick Argentine butt. I think the
Brits are still dumb enough to revere the late Winston Churchill when all he
ever did was preside over the demise of the British Empire. Great Britain is
no longer Great. It has now become a tiny kingdom by the sea.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



  #93  
Old November 18th 08, 09:17 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Edward Dolan
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"Peter Clinch" wrote in message
...
KingOfTheApes wrote:

Anyway, this assessment about Holland seems to support my idea TRAFFIC
TAMING, BIKE ROUTES AND BIKE LANES. Thank you!


Or rather, the above assessment shows you didn't read what I wrote very
carefully, so take back your tanks and read it again.

I said that what makes the real difference isn't the bike paths but the
typical cycle-awareness of the drivers. Think how cycle-aware the
average driver where you are is, and now think how he might improve if
rather than confronting him with more bikes, you confront him with
/less/, by moving the traffic off the road for most of the time (but
crucially *not* the time at junctions where there is most danger).

As I pointed out, there's plenty of shared road space in NL, and it is
shared relatively civilly because, AFAICT, of the awareness of the
typical motorist for cyclists. That awareness does not come about by
removing cyclists from the roads.

The key to be safe isn't putting up physical barriers between cars and
bikes, it's making sure motorists are properly aware of cyclists and
share the road with them as equals. In much the same way that users of
Smart cars share as equals with 18 wheeler trucks that /could/ squash
them like bugs.

Pete.

Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/


Peter Clinch of Dundee, Scotland is as always out to lunch when it come to
bicycle safety. It is a wonder he has not been run over and killed by now.
He is an idiot and you listen to anything he has to say at your peril. For
God's sakes, just look at his signature above and you will know everything
you will ever have to know about him. He has absolutely got the worst
signature of anyone on Usenet. Why can't he get a modest and humble
signature like mine!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #94  
Old November 18th 08, 09:48 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
Edward Dolan
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"KingOfTheApes" wrote in message
...
[...]
I don't know if Canada is a jungle, but here it is. And probably true

for most of the South.

Well, Los Angeles is kind of civilized, but then again it is a Blue

state, which happens to have a Republican governor who stands for the
Red issues.

You are a slubbering, barefoot, bearded lewdster. You quackling,
ill-shapen, nonviable eel-eater. You are a nitrifying, middling,
cringing hagfish. You fuddling, ill-bred, elf-skinned bottom feeder. You
dizzying, sneaking, raffish pavement princess. You are an obfuscating,
tempest-swept, suborbital hog. You are a perambulating, harassed,
hillbilly arsewipe. You sprouting, ****-smelling, crack-headed
fat-mouth. You are a scabbing, salt-cured, teapot-shaped gnat. You are
less than a hopping, snuffly, postmenopausal xylophage. You twittering,
cacodaemonic, stock-still fibber. You spitting, shivering, trembling
ribagitationist. You are an ulcerating, emancipated, stereophonic
goldfish. You leg-lifting, tedious, fool-born harridan. You rotating,
lacteal, psychotic heroin addict. You sniveling, knotted, crusty
harridan. You are an infecting, sick-minded, phlegmy hippopotamus. You
are less than a perambulating, tuberculoid, misanthropical xylophone
player. You are less than a staring, self-contradictory, one-eyed
heckler. You are a flouncing, snoring, smoldering greaseball. You are an
idolatrising, worrying, small-time kleptomaniac. You are a bewildering,
two-way, la-di-da lackey. You drolling, fist-****ed, squeaky kidney. You
are a belaboring, baying, dried-out chippy chaser. You spangling,
self-winding, run-down ****blister.


****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. You are an infecting, sick-minded, phlegmy hippopotamus.



  #95  
Old November 18th 08, 06:42 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
KingOfTheApes
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On Nov 18, 3:33*am, Peter Clinch wrote:
KingOfTheApes wrote:
Anyway, this assessment about Holland seems to support my idea TRAFFIC
TAMING, BIKE ROUTES AND BIKE LANES. Thank you!


Or rather, the above assessment shows you didn't read what I wrote very
carefully, so take back your tanks and read it again.

I said that what makes the real difference isn't the bike paths but the
typical cycle-awareness of the drivers. *Think how cycle-aware the
average driver where you are is, and now think how he might improve if
rather than confronting him with more bikes, you confront him with
/less/, by moving the traffic off the road for most of the time (but
crucially *not* the time at junctions where there is most danger).

As I pointed out, there's plenty of shared road space in NL, and it is
shared relatively civilly because, AFAICT, of the awareness of the
typical motorist for cyclists. *That awareness does not come about by
removing cyclists from the roads.

The key to be safe isn't putting up physical barriers between cars and
bikes, it's making sure motorists are properly aware of cyclists and
share the road with them as equals. *In much the same way that users of
Smart cars share as equals with 18 wheeler trucks that /could/ squash
them like bugs.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch * * * * * * * * * *Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 * Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 * * * * * * *Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net * *http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/


I may be excused from not interpreting your long answer but are not
from not interpreting my short worded solutions...

BIKE FACILITIES (bike lanes and bike facilities) AND/OR TRAFFIC
TAMING.

This side of the Atlantic we are sort of in the Wild West when it
comes to traffic safety: NO LANE DISCIPLINE, NO CONTROL OVER CELL
PHONES, UNREGULATED VEHICLES (SUV'S with deadly bumpers)... and LOTS
OF SPEEDING TICKETS.

You think Obama will change that?
  #96  
Old November 18th 08, 06:46 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
KingOfTheApes
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On Nov 18, 4:10*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"KingOfTheApes" wrote in message

...
[...]

Well, I knew the UK was a smarter place, not only because they have
tamed traffic to a higher degree, but also because they don't have a
Republican party.


The UK is one of the most ****ed up places on earth. Only France is more
****ed up. The last good prime minister they had was Margaret Thatcher who
at least had sense enough to know how to kick Argentine butt. I think the
Brits are still dumb enough to revere the late Winston Churchill when all he
ever did was preside over the demise of the British Empire. Great Britain is
no longer Great. It has now become a tiny kingdom by the sea.


And yet their worst error was to discover America. If it had been the
French, we would at least have good food.

  #97  
Old November 18th 08, 06:48 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
KingOfTheApes
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On Nov 18, 4:17*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Peter Clinch" wrote in message

...





KingOfTheApes wrote:


Anyway, this assessment about Holland seems to support my idea TRAFFIC
TAMING, BIKE ROUTES AND BIKE LANES. Thank you!


Or rather, the above assessment shows you didn't read what I wrote very
carefully, so take back your tanks and read it again.


I said that what makes the real difference isn't the bike paths but the
typical cycle-awareness of the drivers. *Think how cycle-aware the
average driver where you are is, and now think how he might improve if
rather than confronting him with more bikes, you confront him with
/less/, by moving the traffic off the road for most of the time (but
crucially *not* the time at junctions where there is most danger).


As I pointed out, there's plenty of shared road space in NL, and it is
shared relatively civilly because, AFAICT, of the awareness of the
typical motorist for cyclists. *That awareness does not come about by
removing cyclists from the roads.


The key to be safe isn't putting up physical barriers between cars and
bikes, it's making sure motorists are properly aware of cyclists and
share the road with them as equals. *In much the same way that users of
Smart cars share as equals with 18 wheeler trucks that /could/ squash
them like bugs.


Pete.


Peter Clinch * * * * * * * * * *Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 * Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 * * * * * * *Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net * *http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/


Peter Clinch of Dundee, Scotland is as always out to lunch when it come to
bicycle safety. It is a wonder he has not been run over and killed by now..
He is an idiot and you listen to anything he has to say at your peril. For
God's sakes, just look at his signature above and you will know everything
you will ever have to know about him. He has absolutely got the worst
signature of anyone on Usenet. Why can't he get a modest and humble
signature like mine!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You are Napoleonic...

http://geschichte.surfbrett.at/napol...n_waterloo.jpg

and your destiny is to rule over the roaches of the world after you
finish with humanity, Dr. Evil.
  #98  
Old November 18th 08, 07:00 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
KingOfTheApes
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Default Is your place walkable, bikeable or just a hole?

(This guy introduces the subject of walkable, which I adapt for this
forum to bikeable, so you can actually find out if you live in
something called in the old times a "community" or just a hole)

Doug wrote:
I was surprised that my old neighborhood in New Orleans was a
“walker’s paradise” at 100%, while my South Beach apartment was only
“very walkable” at 86%. I’m only somewhat walkable now at 51% in
DeLand.

Walkscore.com apparently gauges its rating by the proximity of things
like grocery stores, parks, movie theatres, schools, libraries,
bookstores, bars, drug stores, etc. However, that doesn’t necessarily
mean the streets are that friendly to cross! And it also leaves out a
lot of businesses and mentions others that no longer exist.
Nonetheless, assuming the margin of error is equal, it should give you
a rough idea of how pedestrian-friendly your community is.

Enter your address into this gizmo and see how walkable your
neighborhood is!

(enter address here)
http://walkscore.com/

***

My place is highly walkable, but hardly bikeable…

Should I be happy or sad about it?

NOTE: I correct myself, my place only scored a 54… I can indeed walk
in safety and without barking mastiffs (something unheard of in Miami)
but it’s quite far. If you like long walks though (like a mile) then
you should be happy with it. The only thing that doesn’t make me happy
is that I rather bike a mile than walk a mile.


  #99  
Old November 18th 08, 08:59 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.rides,uk.rec.cycling
KingOfTheApes
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Default You expect Obama to change America, or just waiting for Jesus?

On Nov 18, 1:42*pm, KingOfTheApes wrote:
On Nov 18, 3:33*am, Peter Clinch wrote:





KingOfTheApes wrote:
Anyway, this assessment about Holland seems to support my idea TRAFFIC
TAMING, BIKE ROUTES AND BIKE LANES. Thank you!


Or rather, the above assessment shows you didn't read what I wrote very
carefully, so take back your tanks and read it again.


I said that what makes the real difference isn't the bike paths but the
typical cycle-awareness of the drivers. *Think how cycle-aware the
average driver where you are is, and now think how he might improve if
rather than confronting him with more bikes, you confront him with
/less/, by moving the traffic off the road for most of the time (but
crucially *not* the time at junctions where there is most danger).


As I pointed out, there's plenty of shared road space in NL, and it is
shared relatively civilly because, AFAICT, of the awareness of the
typical motorist for cyclists. *That awareness does not come about by
removing cyclists from the roads.


The key to be safe isn't putting up physical barriers between cars and
bikes, it's making sure motorists are properly aware of cyclists and
share the road with them as equals. *In much the same way that users of
Smart cars share as equals with 18 wheeler trucks that /could/ squash
them like bugs.


Pete.
--
Peter Clinch * * * * * * * * * *Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 * Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 * * * * * * *Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net * *http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/


I may be excused from not interpreting your long answer but are not
from not interpreting my short worded solutions...

BIKE FACILITIES (bike lanes and bike facilities) AND/OR TRAFFIC
TAMING.

This side of the Atlantic we are sort of in the Wild West when it
comes to traffic safety: NO LANE DISCIPLINE, NO CONTROL OVER CELL
PHONES, UNREGULATED VEHICLES (SUV'S with deadly bumpers)... and LOTS
OF SPEEDING TICKETS.

You think Obama will change that?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


OK, I'll pick on my own question...

You expect Obama to change America, or just waiting for Jesus?

Sometimes too much expection can lead to disillusion, and disillusion
can lead to the Republican Party, so we better become realistic as to
what the real chances are of this brand-new President changing
America.

An unsurmountable debt, two wars, global rising temperatures as well
as tough budgets can make his good performance more of a miracle, and
we know how's the only only that can do miracles...

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/im...us-Posters.jpg

So who's going to fix America?


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Coming soon to a theater near you...

http://atom.smasher.org/streetparty/...ution%21& l4=
  #100  
Old November 19th 08, 12:33 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,uk.rec.cycling
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In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Sherman wrote:
Dane Buson wrote:

Hello again, I took a wee hiatus when I couldn't be arsed to reconfigure
my leafnode server after a HD change and OS upgrade. I've been more
than slightly busy with life, but decided to come back and poke around
the newsgroups some.

PLEASE! Usenet is more important than life!


Unforunately neither my boss nor bill collectors would be much inclined
to agree I'm thinking. And I'm not quite as fond of pig-wrestling as
you are. Still, I've been posting to the rb.* hierarchy for seven
years, I probably should stick around a little longer.

--
Dane Buson -
It is well known that *things* from undesirable universes are always seeking
an entrance into this one, which is the psychic equivalent of handy for the
buses and closer to the shops.
-- Terry Pratchett, "The Light Fantastic"
 




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