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Any "insulated" bottles that actually work?
Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote:
In theory, a bottle kept wet should help, as evaporation would cool the contents. I'm not sure how much of the capacity would get used for cooling, and how much left for the rider. Less of a problem if you have access to replacements as needed though. I guess it depends on what kind of material is used for the porous evaporative cover. For quite a while I've carried a small towel with me on long, hot rides. At stops I wet it and drape it over my head. With the evaporative effect (I live in a dry climate), it feels heavenly. Next time I'm out maybe I'll try wetting the towel and wrapping it around a water bottle. Can't hurt... Bill (Frumious) --------------------------------------------------------------- | An animal will leave a carcus after he gets his belly full, | | but you never see a banker do that sort of thing. | | --Butch Cassidy | --------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On May 17, 11:20*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote: Just curious if anyone's come across an insulated water bottle that actually keeps your drink cold for more than 1/2 hour or so. I frankly see little difference between the Polar insulated bottles and a standard one (putting both to the test yet again on today's 95 degree ride, and still finding the so-called "insulated" bottle to be of little benefit). Obviously, what we need is a water bottle with a styrofoam shell. As a bonus, it would soon accumulate a lot of dents. Each one would prove its life had been saved! ;-) - Frank Krygowski |
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SMS wrote:
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: I have no doubt a thermal vacuum bottle would work; that's "technology" that's been around for ages and used in many lunchboxes. But even if there was still such a bottle that would fit in a standard bottle cage, that's not good enough for me. I would also want it to be easy to drink from, which pretty much requires squeezability. Well I've had no problem drinking from the stainless steel bottles while riding, and mine fit into a standard cage (well certain models of standard cages). Here's a photo of my commute bike with the stainless steel bottle. "http://nordicgroup.us/s78/images/img_0280.jpg" Note the lugged steel, non-compact, frame with a threaded headset and the classic Zefal HPX pump, and of course the Flickstand. The cage is a Profile Design nylon/fiberglass model that sells for $3.49 "http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/11136-055_PROBC2-2-Accessories-415-Bottles/Cages/Profile-Kage-Water-Bottle-Cage.htm" but a lot of carbon fiber cages would also work. You don't really want a standard steel or aluminum cage as it would scratch the bottle and the diameter of the bottle is a bit greater than a standard water bottle. |
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On May 18, 1:28*am, "Leo Lichtman" wrote:
This brings back images of the Grapes of Wrath days, when canvas bags of water were hung on the front bumper, and where evaporation cooled the water. Those continued to be sold in the area of Needles, CA, into the late 1960s at least. (Nothing to do with bike drink bottles, just me remembering those things and also remembering I wasn't around during the "Grapes of Wrath" days. More like the Grape Boycott days.) |
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On May 18, 8:32*pm, Brian Huntley wrote:
On May 18, 1:28*am, "Leo Lichtman" wrote: This brings back images of the Grapes of Wrath days, when canvas bags of water were hung on the front bumper, and where evaporation cooled the water. Those continued to be sold in the area of Needles, CA, into the late 1960s at least. (Nothing to do with bike drink bottles, just me remembering those things and also remembering I wasn't around during the "Grapes of Wrath" days. *More like the Grape Boycott days.) And in the early 1970s, I recall driving through the southwest for the first time in the heat of summer. My buddy and I saw many cars with what looked like large cans hanging out the passenger window. We eventually learned they were evaporative air conditioners. And apparently you can still buy the old ones on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/r5kaxa - Frank Krygowski |
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Brian Huntley writes: On May 18, 1:28*am, "Leo Lichtman" wrote: This brings back images of the Grapes of Wrath days, when canvas bags of water were hung on the front bumper, and where evaporation cooled the water. Those continued to be sold in the area of Needles, CA, into the late 1960s at least. (Nothing to do with bike drink bottles, just me remembering those things and also remembering I wasn't around during the "Grapes of Wrath" days. More like the Grape Boycott days.) My father used to sling those bags onto the front bumper for road trips to the British Columbia interior during the '50s and '60s. They were for when the car's radiator boiled over. I even recall that the brand of the bags was Pioneer, and they had on them a picture of some guy wearing a peak hat. cheers, Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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On May 18, 9:33*pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On May 18, 8:32*pm, Brian Huntley wrote: On May 18, 1:28*am, "Leo Lichtman" wrote: This brings back images of the Grapes of Wrath days, when canvas bags of water were hung on the front bumper, and where evaporation cooled the water. Those continued to be sold in the area of Needles, CA, into the late 1960s at least. (Nothing to do with bike drink bottles, just me remembering those things and also remembering I wasn't around during the "Grapes of Wrath" days. *More like the Grape Boycott days.) And in the early 1970s, I recall driving through the southwest for the first time in the heat of summer. *My buddy and I saw many cars with what looked like large cans hanging out the passenger window. *We eventually learned they were evaporative air conditioners. And apparently you can still buy the old ones on Ebay:http://tinyurl.com/r5kaxa - Frank Krygowski Yeah, Dad borrowed one of those for a desert trip once, too. It looked for all the world like a hammertone Electrolux "sled" vacuum hanging off the side of a Pontiac. Whistled like an idling jet engine, too. A set of soft cooler bags with freezer packs and cans of 7up worked better at keeping the car livable. |
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"Peter Cole" wrote in message ... Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: Just curious if anyone's come across an insulated water bottle that actually keeps your drink cold for more than 1/2 hour or so. I frankly see little difference between the Polar insulated bottles and a standard one (putting both to the test yet again on today's 95 degree ride, and still finding the so-called "insulated" bottle to be of little benefit). http://www.polarbottle.com/features/chill-factor/ Nowhere near as good as a real thermos bottle, but a lot better than a plain bottle. I beg to differ. The Polar might be good at keeping something warm warm, but it's not very good at all at keeping something cold cold. The chart they show is simply... wrong. I literally froze a Cytomax mixture in a pair of Polar "insulated" bottles and stored them in an ice chest during the hour drive to the start of the ride. They remained frozen in the ice chest, but within one hour they were not only completely thawed out but indistinguishable from the temp of the non-insulated bottle (which had been prepared and stored the same way). I'll accept the idea that I might not be able to detect a small difference in temperature between one bottle and the next... I'll even give you 10 degrees if you want. But according to that chart, there should be a continuous nearly 20 degree difference between the two. I don't buy it. Not even half of it. If the Polar folk read this, I don't think they're going to be very happy with me as a retailer. :-) --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com |
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On 2009-05-17 20:20:39 -0700, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
said: Just curious if anyone's come across an insulated water bottle that actually keeps your drink cold for more than 1/2 hour or so. I frankly see little difference between the Polar insulated bottles and a standard one (putting both to the test yet again on today's 95 degree ride, and still finding the so-called "insulated" bottle to be of little benefit). What makes it frustrating is that I accidentally discovered how easily you can accomplish the task on your own. At the '06 TdF it was quite hot for a couple of the stages, so I did my usual thing of filling the bottles mostly with ice. But because I was carrying them in a rack trunk bag, along with camera equipment, I wrapped the two bottles in paper towels (to absorb any moisture that might occur) and put the two of them into a freezer ziplock baggie. 7 hours later and there was still ice in the bottles! Extremely low-tech but effective. Of course, in the rack trunk bag, they had no stream of air around them to suck away their coldness. So perhaps there's no practical way to accomplish this with a bottle in an exposed cage; perhaps the Polar might work just as well in a rack truck bag as my unintentional version. Not that any of this would come to mind while climbing Mtn. Charlie in the Santa Cruz Mountains on the first hot day of the year... --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com I guess I have had different results than you have. I went out yesterday late morning on a training ride and the temps topped out at 101*F by the time I got home at 3 pm. I had 2 bottles with me and 2 planned stops to refill my water/ice. The bottles were a new 21 oz camelback w/chill jacket and a 16oz polar-insulated. Both were topped with ice and water at the last stop and made it over 1 hr 15 min with small ice chips still left in the polar bottle. Unfortunately, I do not have room to fit one of the BIG polar bottles....so I'll continue to use this combo for the best of capacity and insulating ability. Obviously this was NOT scientific, and would love to find something more efficient. Then again, on a hot day, I should be going through 1 bottle per hour (minimum) anyway, so I can always get more ice when I stop to refill. YMMV. Bruce in Redding, CA |
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
"Peter Cole" wrote in message ... Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: Just curious if anyone's come across an insulated water bottle that actually keeps your drink cold for more than 1/2 hour or so. I frankly see little difference between the Polar insulated bottles and a standard one (putting both to the test yet again on today's 95 degree ride, and still finding the so-called "insulated" bottle to be of little benefit). http://www.polarbottle.com/features/chill-factor/ Nowhere near as good as a real thermos bottle, but a lot better than a plain bottle. I beg to differ. The Polar might be good at keeping something warm warm, but it's not very good at all at keeping something cold cold. The chart they show is simply... wrong. I literally froze a Cytomax mixture in a pair of Polar "insulated" bottles and stored them in an ice chest during the hour drive to the start of the ride. They remained frozen in the ice chest, but within one hour they were not only completely thawed out but indistinguishable from the temp of the non-insulated bottle (which had been prepared and stored the same way). I'll accept the idea that I might not be able to detect a small difference in temperature between one bottle and the next... I'll even give you 10 degrees if you want. But according to that chart, there should be a continuous nearly 20 degree difference between the two. I don't buy it. Not even half of it. If the Polar folk read this, I don't think they're going to be very happy with me as a retailer. :-) --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com Well, I can't explain your experience, or I should say, the difference in our experiences. Keeping cold cold or hot hot should be the same thermodynamically. I don't put hot stuff in the Polars, just find they keep water from freezing (longer) on very cold winter rides. I finally had to buy 4 Polars, because my kids & wife (after seeing the difference) wouldn't use plain bottles any more on our hot weather MTB rides. That's what I get for sharing... |
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