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Bill Sorni writes:
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227 "So we have an obligation of enormous consequence, an obligation to guarantee that Saddam Hussein cannot ignore the United Nations. He cannot be permitted to go unobserved and unimpeded toward his horrific objective of amassing a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. This is not a matter about which there should be any debate whatsoever in the Security Council, or, certainly, in this Nation." John Kerry on Senate floor, 11/9/97. Yes??? And this was in respect to what? This was not a call to invade Iraq as you can see from the text. It was a call for the UN intervention and inspections. Jobst Brandt |
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Kevan Smith writes:
It has occurred to me, as it should to you, that the intelligence reports which John Kerry was receiving were not of the same quality that George Bush was receiving. Indeed, many if not all of his reports were filtered down through the present administration. Therefore, how can you believe that the remarks of the two men should be considered equally when one is the sitting president and the other is not privy to all of the same information? It's not like it matters. Both men are committed to continuing the illegal occupation of Iraq, heaping more misery on a country which should by rights be getting reparations payments instead. Bush shouldn't be President; he should be in the dock for war crimes. This Iraq War is a great national shame. A recent political cartoon made that clear showing a burned out auto wreck, labeled Iraq, with a US soldier giving the keys to an Iraqi saying "OK, you can drive now." The USA cannot easily extricate itself from the debacle and there are no easy solutions to the matter of solving the enormous problems the willful destruction of that nation has caused. Well known military documents state that policing a nation after it capitulates in battle is a task nearly as great as winning the battle. Under commanders who knew what lay before them our forces sat idly by as looting and destruction, as great as that caused by our weapons, went on for weeks, pretending that this was a great surprise. This occurred under Donald Rumsfeld who, as I, learned about this the role of military policing and combat in officer's training and subsequent service: http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/rumsfeld.html Iraqis did not come running out to welcome their liberators as our nation was told would occur. Those who predicted the actual outcome were put down as enemy sympathizers and the like... the whole mess is such a sordid story as we lost the support of all the nations who came to our cause after 9/11... freedom fries and the like. Fortunately the American people still have friends in the world even though our administration is universally hated. However we could change that too in the upcoming election. Jobst Brandt |
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Scott Johnson writes:
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227 Wow, maybe I should start posting press releases from the RNC. What is it that irritates you so about factual reporting. Maybe you could point out where there are errors in this report. Facts contrary to ones beliefs are often so disconcerting that they are suppressed. Welcome to my killfile. That is so you won't see what others are saying, I take it. You need to kill the subject and follow-ups. Jobst Brandt |
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Bill Sorni writes:
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227 "So we have an obligation of enormous consequence, an obligation to guarantee that Saddam Hussein cannot ignore the United Nations. He cannot be permitted to go unobserved and unimpeded toward his horrific objective of amassing a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. This is not a matter about which there should be any debate whatsoever in the Security Council, or, certainly, in this Nation." John Kerry on Senate floor, 11/9/97. Yes??? And this was in respect to what? This was not a call to invade Iraq as you can see from the text. It was a call for the UN intervention and inspections. Jobst Brandt |
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Scott Johnson writes:
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227 Wow, maybe I should start posting press releases from the RNC. What is it that irritates you so about factual reporting. Maybe you could point out where there are errors in this report. Facts contrary to ones beliefs are often so disconcerting that they are suppressed. Welcome to my killfile. That is so you won't see what others are saying, I take it. You need to kill the subject and follow-ups. Jobst Brandt |
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Mark Hickey wrote in message . ..
For example, when Russian President Vladimir Putin recently told the press how Russia warned us repeatedly that they had solid evidence that Iraq was planning to attack the US and US interests abroad after the 9/11 attacks... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3819057.stm Yes, I'm going to take the word of an ex-KGB officer who is trying to help Bush get re-elected lest someone else get in there who disapproves of the Russian death squads in Chechnya. Guess how the major networks in the US handled it? NOT A FRIGGIN' WORD. The NY Times and other liberal papers buried the story at the bottom of an inside page. The thing that I'm surprised about is that various Bush admin hacks didn't get all over the Sunday morning news shows with this. On the contrary, someone, CIA official I believe, said they didn't know what Putin was referring to. My guess is that if Putin did tell Bush something, the *whole* story is actually embarassing so Bush can't use it- maybe something like, Putin told Bush that Iraq was making plans to attack the US with terrorists if we invaded Iraq. If you'd rather form an opinion unencumbered by the facts, by all means follow the links to the propaganda that Jobst posted. You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you in the face. Jobst's post references the St. Petersburg Times and San Francisco Chronicle, and they reference a response by Tampa International Airport to the 9/11 Commission. Jobst's article is thoroughly footnoted. There are no holes in it. The flight happened. So stop lying and trying to say it didn't. If you'd rather actually know what's going on, I'd suggest starting with an unbiased compilation like the Drudge Report (recently determined to be by far less biased than any other news source that was analyzed). That becomes pretty obvious when you see it... www.drudgereport.com Amazing. Drudge is a rumor-monger. Some times he is right, often he is wrong. JP |
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Luigi de Guzman writes:
What is it that irritates you so about factual reporting. I'm not irritated about factual reporting. I am mildly irritated that rbm is going to be turned into yet another front for the US Presidential election. This like other topics we might choose not to read is each reader's prerogative to skip or not. Off topic trouble arises when within a thread someone takes advantage of folks who are following the subject by introducing another agenda such as helmets under tire problems. That is not what is happening here. You've been around on the rec.bicycles.* hierarchy much longer than I have, so I know you won't take kindly to a n00b like me reproaching you for posting something so blatantly off-topic as this. But perhaps there are regular NG readers who want to talk about bicycles and wish not to have the ugliness of the present electoral campaign intrude upon that discussion? Those people who disagree with exposing the lies of this administration failed to read Orwell's 1984 and do not recognize Newspeak when the see it. http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns_frames.html They believe the American way is so perfect that if our leader says it, it must be the truth. Even Dan Quayle was saved by that axiom. http://www.xmission.com/~mwalker/DQ/ Just remember that GWB had no comment when he was told Ronald Reagan had died. It took him six hours to get a script from his mentors before he could give an official statement at midnight from his trip in Europe. All this stuff is scripted and filtered. Discussing this in any and all newsgroups is an urgent matter for the survival of our nation as a democracy as the hatchet man John Ashcroft hacks away at civil liberties and international law. The ugly brutality of our administration is a huge blot on the nation. If you follow foreign news you could see haw bad we look in the eyes of the world. BBC news is mild compared to other continental news sources. I don't know what is being said in Asia. Jobst Brandt |
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Luigi de Guzman writes:
What is it that irritates you so about factual reporting. I'm not irritated about factual reporting. I am mildly irritated that rbm is going to be turned into yet another front for the US Presidential election. This like other topics we might choose not to read is each reader's prerogative to skip or not. Off topic trouble arises when within a thread someone takes advantage of folks who are following the subject by introducing another agenda such as helmets under tire problems. That is not what is happening here. You've been around on the rec.bicycles.* hierarchy much longer than I have, so I know you won't take kindly to a n00b like me reproaching you for posting something so blatantly off-topic as this. But perhaps there are regular NG readers who want to talk about bicycles and wish not to have the ugliness of the present electoral campaign intrude upon that discussion? Those people who disagree with exposing the lies of this administration failed to read Orwell's 1984 and do not recognize Newspeak when the see it. http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns_frames.html They believe the American way is so perfect that if our leader says it, it must be the truth. Even Dan Quayle was saved by that axiom. http://www.xmission.com/~mwalker/DQ/ Just remember that GWB had no comment when he was told Ronald Reagan had died. It took him six hours to get a script from his mentors before he could give an official statement at midnight from his trip in Europe. All this stuff is scripted and filtered. Discussing this in any and all newsgroups is an urgent matter for the survival of our nation as a democracy as the hatchet man John Ashcroft hacks away at civil liberties and international law. The ugly brutality of our administration is a huge blot on the nation. If you follow foreign news you could see haw bad we look in the eyes of the world. BBC news is mild compared to other continental news sources. I don't know what is being said in Asia. Jobst Brandt |
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"Kevan Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:37:23 GMT, "Pete" from Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com wrote: "Kevan Smith" wrote It's not like it matters. Both men are comitted to continuing the illegal occupation of Iraq, heaping more misery on a country which should by rights be getting reparations payments instead. Bush shouldn't be President; he should be in the dock for war crimes. This Iraq War is a great national shame. You mean the UN sanctioned "illegal occupation" put in place after GW I? Do not mislead people. The war was never "UN Sanctioned," and there wasn't an occupation until after the war. Pete, I'm ashamed for you. I know you know better than to lie like that to cover for Bush. The comment was on the 'continuing the illegal occupation' part. Which 'occupation' are we talking about continuing? Pete |
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