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Stop NY's Anti-Bicycling Bill
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... Sheldon Brown wrote: An anonymous poster wrote: Let me play devil's advocate he 1) Bicycles are used on public streets, just like cars. So are shoes and baby carriages and wheelbarrows and rolling suitcases and roller skates and shopping carts and skateboards. Should these be registered too? 2) I have to register my car each year, and make sure I have proof of registration when I drive. Is the registration requirement for motorized vehicles "anti-car"? Given the similar requirements for motorized vehicles, how is a bicycle registration requirement "anti-bicycling"? Citizens have a common-law _right_ to use the public thoroughfares to travel under their own power. This right has existed from time immemorial. When automobiles first appeared, it soon became clear that they were unusually dangerous, and so a special licensing/registration procedures were developed to deal with this particularly hazardous device. Operating a motorized vehicle on the public streets is a _priviledge_, not a right, that's why they need licenses, registration and insurance. Baloney. The state tells you it's a privilege, that's for sure. Any why is it? Aren't you guaranteed the right to travel on public roads? You can walk, jog, run, wear boots, shoes, sandals, go barefoot, ride a bicycle, roller skate, ride a tractor, skateboard, ride a motor bike of under 48cc' (in most states) without a license, registration, or insurance on public roads, without any interference with the law.. Why is a car a "privilege?" I wouldn't try any of those activities on most interstate highways. Even though they have wide shoulders that are perfectly safe, pedestrians, bike, etc. are all banned from using them. Many other roadways have similar use restrictions. GG -- -TTFN -Steven |
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"GaryG" wrote I wouldn't try any of those activities on most interstate highways. Even though they have wide shoulders that are perfectly safe, pedestrians, bike, etc. are all banned from using them. Not always. Many interstates and other restricted access roadways allow cycling. Pete |
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"Pete" wrote in message
... "GaryG" wrote I wouldn't try any of those activities on most interstate highways. Even though they have wide shoulders that are perfectly safe, pedestrians, bike, etc. are all banned from using them. Not always. Many interstates and other restricted access roadways allow cycling. Pete That's why I said "most". Here in California, you are permitted to ride only on certain segments, where no reasonable alternative exists (e.g., I-5 through the Sacramento River canyon north of Redding). But, that is clearly the exception, not the rule. GG |
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:17:37 GMT, "Pete" wrote: Many interstates and other restricted access roadways allow cycling. Many? Where? Ok...I revise that. Some. New Jersey http://www.state.nj.us/njcommuter/html/hwyrestr.htm Note: In New Jersey, interstate roadways are currently closed to bicyclists; however, most sections are open by special permit issued by NJDOT. For a permit to ride on these sections write to: California Parts of I-5 Colorado Parts of I-25 I'm sure there are others. And why are they called restricted access? The design of the road. Access only by the on and off ramps. i.e. no driveways, parking lots, cross streets. Pete |
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:17:37 GMT, "Pete"
wrote: Many interstates and other restricted access roadways allow cycling. Many? Where? And why are they called restricted access? JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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"GaryG" wrote That's why I said "most". Here in California, you are permitted to ride only on certain segments, where no reasonable alternative exists (e.g., I-5 through the Sacramento River canyon north of Redding). But, that is clearly the exception, not the rule. I misread your "all" as "banned from all interstates" Pete |
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"Hunrobe" wrote in message
... Steven Bornfeld asked: Is there an explicit right in the Constitution for any particular mode of transportation? As you probably already know, the US Constitution does not acknowledge any "explicit right" to any particular mode of transportation. It does however acknowledge that any powers not specifically granted to the Federal government resides with the several States and the people. IOW, the State of New York could conceivably require every bicycle in the State to be registered. The City of New York however has no legal authority to require non-residents to register their bikes. In any event and all legalistic arguments aside, the proposed legislation as quoted by the OP fails all three key tests of any proposed law: 1- Is it necessary? 2- If not necessary, does it at least offer some meaningful advantage over the status quo? 3- Is it enforceable? Regards, Bob Hunt And you, sir, are hereby awarded the "Most Cogent Argument Against" medal for this evening. The medal is awarded with the optional "Succinct", "Respectful", and "Spell-checked" clusters. Which raises the question...what are you doing hanging out in rbr?? GG |
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In rec.bicycles.misc Pete wrote:
Ok...I revise that. Some. New Jersey http://www.state.nj.us/njcommuter/html/hwyrestr.htm Note: In New Jersey, interstate roadways are currently closed to bicyclists; however, most sections are open by special permit issued by NJDOT. For a permit to ride on these sections write to: California Parts of I-5 Colorado Parts of I-25 I'm sure there are others. oregon, washington, idaho, montana, wyoming, south dakota, north dakota, colorado and reportedly (i haven't done it) arizona, new mexico, utah and nevada. in a lot of these states it's only allowed outside of cities. not so in idaho (where i'm at) .. i can legally get on the connector i-184 and race rush hour traffic out of boise if i want to. mostly i don't. -- david reuteler |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:17:37 GMT, "Pete" wrote: Many interstates and other restricted access roadways allow cycling. Many? Where? Ok...I revise that. Some. New Jersey http://www.state.nj.us/njcommuter/html/hwyrestr.htm Note: In New Jersey, interstate roadways are currently closed to bicyclists; however, most sections are open by special permit issued by NJDOT. For a permit to ride on these sections write to: California Parts of I-5 Colorado Parts of I-25 I'm sure there are others. And why are they called restricted access? The design of the road. Access only by the on and off ramps. i.e. no driveways, parking lots, cross streets. Pete All this brings to mind one time when I saw a stagecoach with a team of horses riding down highway 41 between Fresno and Yosemite. Ohhhh.... You talk about steamed motorists who were backed up for miles by a bunch of hicks that didn't have the sense to pull off. I have never seen such rage by motorists, not sure what happened to the stagecoach doing some kind of western mockup, but I was glad to slip past that mess. 41 is blood alley anyway for cyclists, not sure about stagecoaches. B- |
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