Ride report after eating fruit

On Mar 23, 7:56*pm, thirty-six wrote:

The axe I ended up getting was a 3.5 lb head one at £30 from Homebase..

That seems to be a felling axe, maybe a bit heavy for what you want.
A forrester's axe is about 2_1/2 to 3lb IIRC but when delimbing it's
the length that matters and you may find the normal length forrester's
too short for safety. *One usually wants to be able to stand on a
fallen trunk and cut beneath one's feet. *Anyway, if it doesn't feel
safe, then it probably isn't and you should revert to the saw as it's
easier to sew back a severed thumb than a reconstruct a mangled
ankle. *When you are logging with a big axe, be careful of the chips
which will bounce around and back at your goolies. *A 18" or so square
of leather or heavy canvas can be used as an apron a strop and a wrap
for the tools.

I chopped up our old Hawthorn tree to go with the logs I collected out
at Spout Hill and now I have a tidy pile for the chiminera.
My daughter has used one before, so she can have first go on it with
some tandoori chicken later today - the local neighbours must be at it
as well as there was loads of wood smoke in the air last night.

That axe handle is plenty long enough though - it is about 3 feet long
and made of fibreglass.

--
Simon Mason

On Mar 24, 8:47*am, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 23, 7:56*pm, thirty-six wrote:



The axe I ended up getting was a 3.5 lb head one at £30 from Homebase.

That seems to be a felling axe, maybe a bit heavy for what you want.
A forrester's axe is about 2_1/2 to 3lb IIRC but when delimbing it's
the length that matters and you may find the normal length forrester's
too short for safety. *One usually wants to be able to stand on a
fallen trunk and cut beneath one's feet. *Anyway, if it doesn't feel
safe, then it probably isn't and you should revert to the saw as it's
easier to sew back a severed thumb than a reconstruct a mangled
ankle. *When you are logging with a big axe, be careful of the chips
which will bounce around and back at your goolies. *A 18" or so square
of leather or heavy canvas can be used as an apron a strop and a wrap
for the tools.

I chopped up our old Hawthorn tree to go with the logs I collected out
at Spout Hill and now I have a tidy pile for the chiminera.
My daughter has used one before, so she can have first go on it with
some tandoori chicken later today - the local neighbours must be at it
as well as there was loads of wood smoke in the air last night.

That axe handle is plenty long enough though - it is about 3 feet long
and made of fibreglass.

The only fibreglass "handled" axes I have held or used felt unbalanced
and slow to work. With a hatchet, the difference is night and day,
the hickory hafted are distinctly easier and quicker working. The use
of fibreglass is for those who dont look after their tools. When you
are working the tool yourself it's usual to choose hickory. The
wedges in wooden hafts are now generally secured with epoxy and a
tubular staple making for minimal maintenance.

On 23/03/2012 20:20, thirty-six wrote:
On Mar 23, 8:06 pm, Dave - Cyclists
wrote:
On 23/03/2012 12:11, Simon Mason wrote:











wrote in message
...
On Mar 23, 5:57 am, Simon wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:00 pm, wrote:

In good time - I have the chiminera coming today and the next
step is
to collect all of the countryside logs

I think you'd run out of space before you managed that.

to make a viable wood pile.

Just sort it into two or three different thicknesses so the little
stuff doesn't restrict the air flowing through the big stuff.
When you need, just pull what's dry, it'll dry at different rates
although you can help speed things by removing any bark. Some barks
are good for firelighting once bone dry.

Good advice - I need to invest in an axe and I have just cleared away
an area designated for the wood.

There's expensive stuff that should be precisely ground and leave the
factory with a hard edge which will likely cost £25 up for a hatchet.
Or you may get something for less than £10 which will have a slightly
soft edge to start and will require a little working and grinding back
with a stone. An aluminium oxide boat or coffin (shaped) stone is the
easiest to use to get the convex edge to the axe. You'll want gloves
on to protect you from the metal and grit loaded oil or water slurry
when sharpening.

I have a budget for about £50 for the axe and I get safety glasses and
gloves from work for free.

Are you going to steal them from BP Chemicals, Saltend?


BP reckons it owns Simon's eyes and hands so Simon is doing them a
favour by protecting their investment. As long as he is not selling
them on or otherwise distributing them I think BP are getting the
better deal.

Theft is theft.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Mar 24, 10:11*am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 23/03/2012 20:20, thirty-six wrote:









On Mar 23, 8:06 pm, Dave - Cyclists
wrote:
On 23/03/2012 12:11, Simon Mason wrote:

*wrote in message
....
On Mar 23, 5:57 am, Simon *wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:00 pm, *wrote:

In good time - I have the chiminera coming today and the next
step is
to collect all of the countryside logs

I think you'd run out of space before you managed that.

to make a viable wood pile.

Just sort it into two or three different thicknesses so the little
stuff doesn't restrict the air flowing through the big stuff.
When you need, just pull what's dry, it'll dry at different rates
although you can help speed things by removing any bark. Some barks
are good for firelighting once bone dry.

Good advice - I need to invest in an axe and I have just cleared away
an area designated for the wood.

There's expensive stuff that should be precisely ground and leave the
factory with a hard edge which will likely cost £25 up for a hatchet.
Or you may get something for less than £10 which will have a slightly
soft edge to start and will require a little working and grinding back
with a stone. An aluminium oxide boat or coffin (shaped) stone is the
easiest to use to get the convex edge to the axe. You'll want gloves
on to protect you from the metal and grit loaded oil or water slurry
when sharpening.

I have a budget for about £50 for the axe and I get safety glasses and
gloves from work for free.

Are you going to steal them from BP Chemicals, Saltend?

BP reckons it owns Simon's eyes and hands so Simon is doing them a
favour by protecting their investment. *As long as he is not selling
them on or otherwise distributing them I think BP are getting the
better deal.

Theft is theft.

It's not theft. He is doing unpaid extra work to protect BPs
investment, it is only just and right that at least BP should pay for
the protective gear if not the time that Simon spends in donning the
protective equipment. The term "Human resource" is explicit in that
the labour force is a valuable asset and while inherently capable of
productive work, should be protected and maintained. To not be fully
protective of its primary workforce a company could be thought of, at
least, as negligent in their duty of care.

On 24/03/2012 11:03, thirty-six wrote:
On Mar 24, 10:11 am, Dave - Cyclists
wrote:
On 23/03/2012 20:20, thirty-six wrote:









On Mar 23, 8:06 pm, Dave - Cyclists
wrote:
On 23/03/2012 12:11, Simon Mason wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mar 23, 5:57 am, Simon wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:00 pm, wrote:

In good time - I have the chiminera coming today and the next
step is
to collect all of the countryside logs

I think you'd run out of space before you managed that.

to make a viable wood pile.

Just sort it into two or three different thicknesses so the little
stuff doesn't restrict the air flowing through the big stuff.
When you need, just pull what's dry, it'll dry at different rates
although you can help speed things by removing any bark. Some barks
are good for firelighting once bone dry.

Good advice - I need to invest in an axe and I have just cleared away
an area designated for the wood.

There's expensive stuff that should be precisely ground and leave the
factory with a hard edge which will likely cost £25 up for a hatchet.
Or you may get something for less than £10 which will have a slightly
soft edge to start and will require a little working and grinding back
with a stone. An aluminium oxide boat or coffin (shaped) stone is the
easiest to use to get the convex edge to the axe. You'll want gloves
on to protect you from the metal and grit loaded oil or water slurry
when sharpening.

I have a budget for about £50 for the axe and I get safety glasses and
gloves from work for free.

Are you going to steal them from BP Chemicals, Saltend?

BP reckons it owns Simon's eyes and hands so Simon is doing them a
favour by protecting their investment. As long as he is not selling
them on or otherwise distributing them I think BP are getting the
better deal.

Theft is theft.

It's not theft. He is doing unpaid extra work to protect BPs
investment, it is only just and right that at least BP should pay for
the protective gear if not the time that Simon spends in donning the
protective equipment. The term "Human resource" is explicit in that
the labour force is a valuable asset and while inherently capable of
productive work, should be protected and maintained. To not be fully
protective of its primary workforce a company could be thought of, at
least, as negligent in their duty of care.

Its theft you ****, pure & simple.


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Mar 24, 11:39*am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 24/03/2012 11:03, thirty-six wrote:









On Mar 24, 10:11 am, Dave - Cyclists
wrote:
On 23/03/2012 20:20, thirty-six wrote:

On Mar 23, 8:06 pm, Dave - Cyclists
wrote:
On 23/03/2012 12:11, Simon Mason wrote:

* *wrote in message
...
On Mar 23, 5:57 am, Simon * *wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:00 pm, * *wrote:

In good time - I have the chiminera coming today and the next
step is
to collect all of the countryside logs

I think you'd run out of space before you managed that.

to make a viable wood pile.

Just sort it into two or three different thicknesses so the little
stuff doesn't restrict the air flowing through the big stuff.
When you need, just pull what's dry, it'll dry at different rates
although you can help speed things by removing any bark. Some barks
are good for firelighting once bone dry.

Good advice - I need to invest in an axe and I have just cleared away
an area designated for the wood.

There's expensive stuff that should be precisely ground and leave the
factory with a hard edge which will likely cost £25 up for a hatchet.
Or you may get something for less than £10 which will have a slightly
soft edge to start and will require a little working and grinding back
with a stone. An aluminium oxide boat or coffin (shaped) stone is the
easiest to use to get the convex edge to the axe. You'll want gloves
on to protect you from the metal and grit loaded oil or water slurry
when sharpening.

I have a budget for about £50 for the axe and I get safety glasses and
gloves from work for free.

Are you going to steal them from BP Chemicals, Saltend?

BP reckons it owns Simon's eyes and hands so Simon is doing them a
favour by protecting their investment. *As long as he is not selling
them on or otherwise distributing them I think BP are getting the
better deal.

Theft is theft.

It's not theft. *He is doing unpaid extra work to protect BPs
investment, it is only just and right that at least BP should pay for
the protective gear if not the time that Simon spends in donning the
protective equipment. *The term "Human resource" is explicit in that
the labour force is a valuable asset and while inherently capable of
productive work, should be protected and maintained. *To not be fully
protective of its primary workforce a company could be thought of, at
least, as negligent in their duty of care.

Its theft you ****, pure & simple.


No wonder you can't get any permanent help.

On Mar 24, 11:57*am, thirty-six wrote:
On Mar 24, 11:39*am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:









On 24/03/2012 11:03, thirty-six wrote:

On Mar 24, 10:11 am, Dave - Cyclists
wrote:
On 23/03/2012 20:20, thirty-six wrote:

On Mar 23, 8:06 pm, Dave - Cyclists
wrote:
On 23/03/2012 12:11, Simon Mason wrote:

* *wrote in message
...
On Mar 23, 5:57 am, Simon * *wrote:
On Mar 22, 1:00 pm, * *wrote:

In good time - I have the chiminera coming today and the next
step is
to collect all of the countryside logs

I think you'd run out of space before you managed that.

to make a viable wood pile.

Just sort it into two or three different thicknesses so the little
stuff doesn't restrict the air flowing through the big stuff.
When you need, just pull what's dry, it'll dry at different rates
although you can help speed things by removing any bark. Some barks
are good for firelighting once bone dry.

Good advice - I need to invest in an axe and I have just cleared away
an area designated for the wood.

There's expensive stuff that should be precisely ground and leave the
factory with a hard edge which will likely cost £25 up for a hatchet.
Or you may get something for less than £10 which will have a slightly
soft edge to start and will require a little working and grinding back
with a stone. An aluminium oxide boat or coffin (shaped) stone is the
easiest to use to get the convex edge to the axe. You'll want gloves
on to protect you from the metal and grit loaded oil or water slurry
when sharpening.

I have a budget for about £50 for the axe and I get safety glasses and
gloves from work for free.

Are you going to steal them from BP Chemicals, Saltend?

BP reckons it owns Simon's eyes and hands so Simon is doing them a
favour by protecting their investment. *As long as he is not selling
them on or otherwise distributing them I think BP are getting the
better deal.

Theft is theft.

It's not theft. *He is doing unpaid extra work to protect BPs
investment, it is only just and right that at least BP should pay for
the protective gear if not the time that Simon spends in donning the
protective equipment. *The term "Human resource" is explicit in that
the labour force is a valuable asset and while inherently capable of
productive work, should be protected and maintained. *To not be fully
protective of its primary workforce a company could be thought of, at
least, as negligent in their duty of care.

Its theft you ****, pure & simple.

No wonder you can't get any permanent help.

What did you do, cut the poor lad's finger off for stealing a pair of
30p cotton gloves?

On Mar 24, 11:03*am, thirty-six wrote:
It's not theft. *He is doing unpaid extra work to protect BPs
investment, it is only just and right that at least BP should pay for
the protective gear if not the time that Simon spends in donning the
protective equipment. *The term "Human resource" is explicit in that
the labour force is a valuable asset and while inherently capable of
productive work, should be protected and maintained. *To not be fully
protective of its primary workforce a company could be thought of, at
least, as negligent in their duty of care.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

We get bollocked if they find out we are doing jobs around the home
and garden WITHOUT full PPE.
And they give us everything from free tyre pump and gauges to £80
winter driving safety kits.

--
Simon Mason

On 24/03/2012 13:02, wrote:
On Mar 24, 11:03 am, wrote:
It's not theft. He is doing unpaid extra work to protect BPs
investment, it is only just and right that at least BP should pay for
the protective gear if not the time that Simon spends in donning the
protective equipment. The term "Human resource" is explicit in that
the labour force is a valuable asset and while inherently capable of
productive work, should be protected and maintained. To not be fully
protective of its primary workforce a company could be thought of, at
least, as negligent in their duty of care.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

We get bollocked if they find out we are doing jobs around the home
and garden WITHOUT full PPE.

Do they condone stealing it?

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Mar 24, 1:02*pm, wrote:
On Mar 24, 11:03*am, thirty-six wrote:

It's not theft. *He is doing unpaid extra work to protect BPs
investment, it is only just and right that at least BP should pay for
the protective gear if not the time that Simon spends in donning the
protective equipment. *The term "Human resource" is explicit in that
the labour force is a valuable asset and while inherently capable of
productive work, should be protected and maintained. *To not be fully
protective of its primary workforce a company could be thought of, at
least, as negligent in their duty of care.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

We get bollocked if they find out we are doing jobs around the home
and garden WITHOUT full PPE.
And they give us everything from free tyre pump and gauges to £80
winter driving safety kits.


Sound business practice to keep your workers healthy, they were
principles used in the establishment of Bournville and Port Sunlight.