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On 7/15/2011 3:42 PM, Chalo wrote:
Ronsonic wrote: This whole conversation is absolutely bizarre to this Floridian. Here the greatest threat to our wildlands and their flora and fauna are wild / feral pigs. You can use an army of motorcycles to drive entire herds of horses each dragging a mountain bike through our forests and marshes and it wouldn't cause the damage these hogs do. Seriously. This is paper cuts to chainsaws. Too many kosher eaters relocated to Florida, I guess. Still seems to me that most of the destroyed habitat I have seen in Florida has been at the hands of some kind of peckerwood. Last time I was back to New Orleans the outlying areas had these wild boars running around. Seems like the storm messed up their habitat and pushed them near the humans where they found garbage to eat. Now they're all over. But I'm still thinking that the peckerwoods are worse. |
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On Jul 15, 10:01*am, "Ronsonic" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Jul 14, 7:48 am, SMS wrote: On 7/12/2011 5:08 PM, James wrote: This is a shame since if he could be educated to direct his efforts against the trail users that cause the most damage he would give up on mountain bikes and concentrate on equestrians. The trail users who cause the most damage, BY FAR, are mountain bikers. They travel much farther & faster than anyone else. What makes you think that "farther & faster" equals more damaging. Farther and faster means more efficient, less weight and less impact. BS. If you do X damage in one mile, then you do 10X damage in 10 miles. Did you flunk grade school math? Where you startled by a rude cyclist out on a trail and this is what it's all about? It's all explained on my website. Do your homework. ALL mountain biking is rude, whether it's in my presence or not. |
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On Jul 15, 10:03*am, "Ronsonic" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Jul 14, 1:02 pm, Peter Cole wrote: You obviously haven't studied the SCIENCE (REAL science, not the JUNK science created by mountain bikers). The SCIENCE shows that mountain bikers have greater impacts on erosion, plants, and animals, partly because they generally travel several times as FAR and as FAST as other trail users, multiplying their impacts. (Seehttp://mjvande/nfshost.com/scb7.htm.) Besides that, horses evolved in North America, and hence arguably have the right to go wherever they want to. BIKES, on the other hand, and inanimate OBJECTS, and have no rights whatsoever. And there is no right to mountain bike (seehttp://mjvande/nfshost.com/mtb10.htm). Horses were EXTINCT in North America and every single one of them is foreign. Can't you read? "horses evolved in North America, and hence arguably have the right to go wherever they want to". Did you flunk grade school English, as well? I agree with you on a philosophic basis, bikes are indeed inanimate and if I ever see one out on a trail on its own, I'll order it off the trail. There is no right to bring a bike onto a trail. |
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On Jul 15, 10:14*am, "Ronsonic" wrote:
"SMS" wrote in message ... On 7/14/2011 4:18 PM, Chalo wrote: And for every one of us in this discussion who has the integrity of the natural environment at heart, there are probably a crowd of folks whose idea of outdoors adventure involves gratuitously murdering wild animals for entertainment, or making a huge amount of motor noise and pollution. What's funny-sad is that MV probably does have the integrity of the natural environment at heart, but he lacks the knowledge and personal integrity to make a difference for it. This whole conversation is absolutely bizarre to this Floridian. Here the greatest threat to our wildlands and their flora and fauna are wild / feral pigs. You can use an army of motorcycles to drive entire herds of horses each dragging a mountain bike through our forests and marshes and it wouldn't cause the damage these hogs do. Seriously. This is paper cuts to chainsaws. BS. 99% of our parks have no pigs, but lots of erosion-causing mountain bikers. You are grasping at straws. |
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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Jul 15, 10:14 am, "Ronsonic" wrote: "SMS" wrote in message ... On 7/14/2011 4:18 PM, Chalo wrote: And for every one of us in this discussion who has the integrity of the natural environment at heart, there are probably a crowd of folks whose idea of outdoors adventure involves gratuitously murdering wild animals for entertainment, or making a huge amount of motor noise and pollution. What's funny-sad is that MV probably does have the integrity of the natural environment at heart, but he lacks the knowledge and personal integrity to make a difference for it. This whole conversation is absolutely bizarre to this Floridian. Here the greatest threat to our wildlands and their flora and fauna are wild / feral pigs. You can use an army of motorcycles to drive entire herds of horses each dragging a mountain bike through our forests and marshes and it wouldn't cause the damage these hogs do. Seriously. This is paper cuts to chainsaws. BS. 99% of our parks have no pigs, but lots of erosion-causing mountain bikers. You are grasping at straws. I'm not grasping at a damn thing. Your parks might be another matter. We have a pig problem. |
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words, words, words. What do they mean?
On 7/15/2011 2:19 AM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Jul 14, 7:25 pm, "T°m Sherm@n"""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI $southslope.net" wrote: On 7/14/2011 6:52 PM, Michael Press wrote: In article , Andre wrote: [...] Name the parole officer you claim supervises Michael Vandeman, or apologize for the lie you told. **** or get off the pot. You're scum bringing false witness, Tom Sherman. Unsigned out of contempt There is a difference between a probation officer and a parole officer. You are not doing your argument any good by confusing them. As a "prior offender", Michael J. Vandeman, Piled Higher and Deeper, needs to modify his behavior, if he wants to avoid having a parole officer in the future. So now you are admitting that you were wrong about me having a PO. I never wrote that Mr. Vandeman had a *parole* officer, so his contention is based on a false premise. (For Mikey V., this is nothing new.) Mr. Press is correct in pointing out that Mr. Jute either made an error or lied by writing "parole officer" instead of "probation officer". It's only something that MIGHT happen in the future.... You are one sick, dishonest person. How do you live with yourself? Do you throw up whenever you look into a mirror? Self-projection by Mr. Vandeman. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Solution to Bashed Chainrings?
On Jul 8, 3:58*am, Tºm Shermªn °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 7/8/2011 2:12 AM, Mike "Handsaw" Vandeman wrote: On Jul 6, 10:41 pm, T m Sherm n _ ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI $southslope.net" *wrote: On 7/7/2011 12:33 AM, Mike "Handsaw" Vandeman wrote: On Jul 6, 5:45 am, David * wrote: In rec.bicycles.tech Mike * wrote: :On Jul 5, 9:46 pm, T m Sherm n " * wrote: : * This should solve the problem, though I imagine the price will be high: : * http://www.seed-your-ideas.com/Triebwerk/en/index.html. : : * It would also make transporting and going through doors and/or up and : * down stairs more easy with a SWB 'bent or tadpole trike. : : * -- : * T m Sherm n - 42.435731,-83.985007 : * I am a vehicular cyclist. :A much better solution: stick to pavement, and stop destroying :wildlife habitat. Sheesh. Says the man who wonders around other people's property with a saw. Restoring habitat -- something you obviously know nothng about.. Is restoring habitat part of your court mandated public service work? Yes. How is a HANDSAW used while restoring habitat? Removing exotic species. And attacking mountain bikers. Liar. You are GUARANTEEING that no one will ever give you the time of day. Someone who can't even tell the truth is WORTHLESS. Is this the legacy you want? Yu are truly SICK. |
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Solution to Bashed Chainrings?
On Jul 16, 7:32 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Jul 8, 3:58 am, Tºm Shermªn °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI $southslope.net" wrote: On 7/8/2011 2:12 AM, Mike "Handsaw" Vandeman wrote: On Jul 6, 10:41 pm, T m Sherm n _ ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI $southslope.net" wrote: On 7/7/2011 12:33 AM, Mike "Handsaw" Vandeman wrote: On Jul 6, 5:45 am, David wrote: In rec.bicycles.tech Mike wrote: :On Jul 5, 9:46 pm, T m Sherm n " wrote: : This should solve the problem, though I imagine the price will be high: : http://www.seed-your-ideas.com/Triebwerk/en/index.html. : : It would also make transporting and going through doors and/or up and : down stairs more easy with a SWB 'bent or tadpole trike. : : -- : T m Sherm n - 42.435731,-83.985007 : I am a vehicular cyclist. :A much better solution: stick to pavement, and stop destroying :wildlife habitat. Sheesh. Says the man who wonders around other people's property with a saw.. Restoring habitat -- something you obviously know nothng about.. Is restoring habitat part of your court mandated public service work? Yes. How is a HANDSAW used while restoring habitat? Removing exotic species. And attacking mountain bikers. Liar. You are GUARANTEEING that no one will ever give you the time of day. Someone who can't even tell the truth is WORTHLESS. Is this the legacy you want? Yu are truly SICK. (tick, tick, tick... ) |
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Solution to Bashed Chainrings?
On 7/16/2011 11:42 AM, Dan O wrote:
On Jul 16, 7:32 am, Mike wrote: On Jul 8, 3:58 am, T�m Sherm�n �_�""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI $southslope.net" wrote: On 7/8/2011 2:12 AM, Mike "Handsaw" Vandeman wrote: On Jul 6, 10:41 pm, T m Sherm n _""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI $southslope.net" wrote: On 7/7/2011 12:33 AM, Mike "Handsaw" Vandeman wrote: On Jul 6, 5:45 am, David wrote: In rec.bicycles.tech Mike wrote: :On Jul 5, 9:46 pm, T m Sherm n " wrote: : This should solve the problem, though I imagine the price will be high: : http://www.seed-your-ideas.com/Triebwerk/en/index.html. : : It would also make transporting and going through doors and/or up and : down stairs more easy with a SWB 'bent or tadpole trike. : : -- : T m Sherm n - 42.435731,-83.985007 : I am a vehicular cyclist. :A much better solution: stick to pavement, and stop destroying :wildlife habitat. Sheesh. Says the man who wonders around other people's property with a saw. Restoring habitat -- something you obviously know nothng about.. Is restoring habitat part of your court mandated public service work? Yes. How is a HANDSAW used while restoring habitat? Removing exotic species. And attacking mountain bikers. Liar. You are GUARANTEEING that no one will ever give you the time of day. Someone who can't even tell the truth is WORTHLESS. Is this the legacy you want? Yu are truly SICK. (tick, tick, tick... ) Mikey V. does want a parole officer in his future? -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On 7/15/2011 10:14 AM, Ronsonic wrote:
This whole conversation is absolutely bizarre to this Floridian. Here the greatest threat to our wildlands and their flora and fauna are wild / feral pigs. You can use an army of motorcycles to drive entire herds of horses each dragging a mountain bike through our forests and marshes and it wouldn't cause the damage these hogs do. Seriously. This is paper cuts to chainsaws. Well in many states, including California, they definitely have problems with horses. It's not just the enormous trail damage (it's estimated that one horse does more damage than 50 mountain bikes or 50 hikers), but the mess, the smell, and the pollution. If we could buy each equestrian a mountain bike to ride our parks would be much better off. The problem with MV is that he hasn't studied any science because he knows that the actual science totally contradicts his position. It's called "argumentum ad ignorantiam" (argument from ignorance). Every study shows that the impact of mountain bikers on erosion, plants, and wildlife is less than or equal to the damage of hikers, and far less than the damage of horses. Mountain bikers move through an area quickly, minimizing the time that they are disrupting wildlife, compared to hikers. Here's a similar example: today we were kayaking in Elkhorn Slough near Monterey. One of the volunteer docents that travels around by kayak asked us to move more quickly through an area with sea otters (we were stopped watching them). She said that to minimize the disruption to their activities it's better to go through the area quickly. This is the same thing that mountain bikers do. |
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