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  #51  
Old September 7th 17, 12:34 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Mr.Tuffy liner for road bikes ok? Or 2nd tube?

The complete tube n sidewall cutting device is square one for your design problem n you're too stupid to build it.
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  #52  
Old September 7th 17, 05:23 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Mr.Tuffy liner for road bikes ok? Or 2nd tube?

On 9/6/2017 4:45 PM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 9:20:12 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-05 23:22, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2017 16:20:54 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-09-05 14:06, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 11:29:18 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-05 10:29, Doug Landau wrote:
On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-31 17:38, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 11:55:06 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
Yesterday I had another two (!) sidewall punctures. Long story
short I will definitely not recommend CST Conquistare tires.
Wore out in less than 1200mi and then weakened which is just
unacceptable. So thumbs down from me.

This brings up two questions:

1. The Mr.Tuffy orange liners for 700c narrow tires. They must
be laid in with a wee overlap. Will that overlap cause a 700c
25mm tire at 110psi to run bumpy? Like whop .. whop .. whop
every time the overlap comes around?

2. What about taking a second (otherwise discarded)
thorn-resistant tube, slit it open on the inside and slide it
over the real thorn-resistant as a 2nd layer?

The problem is that Kenda seems to have discontinued selling
thorn-resistant tubes with good and most of all same thickness
all around but now the thickness tapers off towards the
sidewalls. That's where they fail. Same for Sunlite which I had
to re-order yesterday because those things are essentially
unfixable with those thin REMA patches.

Any words of wisdom? As usual, weight absolutely does not
matter.

In case anyone knows: I read somewhere that smugglers "inflate"
their vehicle tires with some sort of hardening sealant
(Silicone? Construction foam?) that makes the tires
bullet-proof. What material is it and how do they get it in
there thoroughly enough? Would it be good for a couple of
thousand miles?
Those who are serious about not getting flats make their own mr
tuffys from old tires

How do you do the overlap? It has to be cut because the radius
inside is a smidgen smaller than normal.

I was thinking about making my own Mr.Tuffy from a 2nd
thorn-resistant tube that is slit open lengthwise on the rim side.
I'll see when the new tube gets here next week. There should be
enough compliance in the rubber so there won;t be any wrinkles.
Hopefully. The othe issue is that the smallest these tubes come is
700 x 23/25mm and even 23mm is a bit large if there is a another
thick tube in there.
Fraid I either did not ask or don't remember. I remember the part
about removing the bead, but that's obvious. Mostly I remember the
conclusion, made simply with no effort to convince: "... and I don't
get flats".
Check it out. This guy rides 28s, and makes liners out of old 27s, so there is no cutting or overlapping necessary.
http://forums.bicycletutor.com/thread-4387.html

Good idea, though I wouldn't know anyone who still uses 27" wheels. Some
27" tires are still sold on EBay. But first I'll try the Mr.Tuffy which
should be here in a week. Until then the MTB will be pressed into
service despite an ailing BB. Carrying a spritz of turbine oil along in
case it starts screeching.
https://www.biketiresdirect.com/sear...-tires?ppp=ALL


Amazing that there still is a market. Must be a lot of older guys like
us tooling around on their teenager bikes :-)

Now that is the stupidest thing I've heard in...
I ride a bike with 27" wheels, a beautiful cherry Fuji S12-S, and lemme tell you, 27" tires are $8.99 on sale, including Conti Gatorskins at REI, and brand still-in-plastic 27" wheels with bearings and skewers are $20-$30.

Riding 27" wheels chops your roadbike tire and wheel expenses in half.


Where can you get 27" wheels for $20-$30, I need a set... A while back I
took a bike in to get serviced at small bike shop and my wheels got
stolen so I was told. I think he sold them for drug money. He told me
insurance was supposed to replace them for me, that never happened then
then all of a sudden the shop closes and everything was gone. It was my
first real road bike from back in the 70's Raleigh - Record. For the
time it was a nice bike.

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  #53  
Old September 7th 17, 07:52 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Mr.Tuffy liner for road bikes ok? Or 2nd tube?

If handy, change over for $400+ online after xmass use adapter plates for new brake mechanisms.

The tire/tube choice movs into the 21C n sway from the 19th C...

A big shift...the contact patch is our grip on reality.

Riders boasting abt great deals on cheap tires are out of it ...
  #54  
Old September 7th 17, 07:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Mr.Tuffy liner for road bikes ok? Or 2nd tube?

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 9:23:13 PM UTC-7, JQ wrote:
On 9/6/2017 4:45 PM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 9:20:12 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-05 23:22, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2017 16:20:54 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2017-09-05 14:06, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 11:29:18 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-05 10:29, Doug Landau wrote:
On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-31 17:38, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 11:55:06 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
Yesterday I had another two (!) sidewall punctures. Long story
short I will definitely not recommend CST Conquistare tires.
Wore out in less than 1200mi and then weakened which is just
unacceptable. So thumbs down from me.

This brings up two questions:

1. The Mr.Tuffy orange liners for 700c narrow tires. They must
be laid in with a wee overlap. Will that overlap cause a 700c
25mm tire at 110psi to run bumpy? Like whop .. whop .. whop
every time the overlap comes around?

2. What about taking a second (otherwise discarded)
thorn-resistant tube, slit it open on the inside and slide it
over the real thorn-resistant as a 2nd layer?

The problem is that Kenda seems to have discontinued selling
thorn-resistant tubes with good and most of all same thickness
all around but now the thickness tapers off towards the
sidewalls. That's where they fail. Same for Sunlite which I had
to re-order yesterday because those things are essentially
unfixable with those thin REMA patches.

Any words of wisdom? As usual, weight absolutely does not
matter.

In case anyone knows: I read somewhere that smugglers "inflate"
their vehicle tires with some sort of hardening sealant
(Silicone? Construction foam?) that makes the tires
bullet-proof. What material is it and how do they get it in
there thoroughly enough? Would it be good for a couple of
thousand miles?
Those who are serious about not getting flats make their own mr
tuffys from old tires

How do you do the overlap? It has to be cut because the radius
inside is a smidgen smaller than normal.

I was thinking about making my own Mr.Tuffy from a 2nd
thorn-resistant tube that is slit open lengthwise on the rim side.
I'll see when the new tube gets here next week. There should be
enough compliance in the rubber so there won;t be any wrinkles.
Hopefully. The othe issue is that the smallest these tubes come is
700 x 23/25mm and even 23mm is a bit large if there is a another
thick tube in there.
Fraid I either did not ask or don't remember. I remember the part
about removing the bead, but that's obvious. Mostly I remember the
conclusion, made simply with no effort to convince: "... and I don't
get flats".
Check it out. This guy rides 28s, and makes liners out of old 27s, so there is no cutting or overlapping necessary.
http://forums.bicycletutor.com/thread-4387.html

Good idea, though I wouldn't know anyone who still uses 27" wheels. Some
27" tires are still sold on EBay. But first I'll try the Mr.Tuffy which
should be here in a week. Until then the MTB will be pressed into
service despite an ailing BB. Carrying a spritz of turbine oil along in
case it starts screeching.
https://www.biketiresdirect.com/sear...-tires?ppp=ALL

Amazing that there still is a market. Must be a lot of older guys like
us tooling around on their teenager bikes :-)

Now that is the stupidest thing I've heard in...
I ride a bike with 27" wheels, a beautiful cherry Fuji S12-S, and lemme tell you, 27" tires are $8.99 on sale, including Conti Gatorskins at REI, and brand still-in-plastic 27" wheels with bearings and skewers are $20-$30..

Riding 27" wheels chops your roadbike tire and wheel expenses in half.


Where can you get 27" wheels for $20-$30, I need a set... A while back I
took a bike in to get serviced at small bike shop and my wheels got
stolen so I was told. I think he sold them for drug money. He told me
insurance was supposed to replace them for me, that never happened then
then all of a sudden the shop closes and everything was gone. It was my
first real road bike from back in the 70's Raleigh - Record. For the
time it was a nice bike.


I admit that that was at Good Karma Bikes in San Jose, which seems to be pretty awesome shop to me, and is relatively new, and there would an equivalent in most places.
I might have been exaggerating when I wrote 'still in plastic" as the plastic wrapping was obviously not OEM. But the wheels were unused and gleaming not shopworn. They are Origin-8, with sealed bearings, IIRC, which at that price is ok as they are disposable anyway.
I had more than one wheelset to choose from so give em a call, maybe they'll ship to you
http://www.goodkarmabikes.org/retail--service.html


  #55  
Old September 7th 17, 08:09 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Doug Landau
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Default Mr.Tuffy liner for road bikes ok? Or 2nd tube?

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 11:52:46 PM UTC-7, wrote:
If handy, change over for $400+ online after xmass use adapter plates for new brake mechanisms.

The tire/tube choice movs into the 21C n sway from the 19th C...

A big shift...the contact patch is our grip on reality.

Riders boasting abt great deals on cheap tires are out of it ...


Oh, bull****. Just complete bull****. You have your choice of $10 conti gatorskins, let alone many others: 27x1 or 27x1-1/4. So put one-and-aquarters on there. That is what I did. Ya that tire is a bit wide for that rim so the sidewalls bulge out a bit. So what.

I am riding these but for $10 each, at my local REI, and it is you who is out of it.
http://harriscyclery.net/product/con...-bead-1324.htm


  #56  
Old September 7th 17, 02:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Mr.Tuffy liner for road bikes ok? Or 2nd tube?

On 9/6/2017 11:20 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-05 23:22, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2017 16:20:54 -0700, Joerg

wrote:

On 2017-09-05 14:06, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 11:29:18 AM UTC-7,
Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-05 10:29, Doug Landau wrote:
On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7,
Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-31 17:38, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 11:55:06 AM UTC-7,
Joerg wrote:
Yesterday I had another two (!) sidewall punctures.
Long story
short I will definitely not recommend CST
Conquistare tires.
Wore out in less than 1200mi and then weakened
which is just
unacceptable. So thumbs down from me.

This brings up two questions:

1. The Mr.Tuffy orange liners for 700c narrow
tires. They must
be laid in with a wee overlap. Will that overlap
cause a 700c
25mm tire at 110psi to run bumpy? Like whop .. whop
.. whop
every time the overlap comes around?

2. What about taking a second (otherwise discarded)
thorn-resistant tube, slit it open on the inside
and slide it
over the real thorn-resistant as a 2nd layer?

The problem is that Kenda seems to have
discontinued selling
thorn-resistant tubes with good and most of all
same thickness
all around but now the thickness tapers off towards
the
sidewalls. That's where they fail. Same for Sunlite
which I had
to re-order yesterday because those things are
essentially
unfixable with those thin REMA patches.

Any words of wisdom? As usual, weight absolutely
does not
matter.

In case anyone knows: I read somewhere that
smugglers "inflate"
their vehicle tires with some sort of hardening
sealant
(Silicone? Construction foam?) that makes the tires
bullet-proof. What material is it and how do they
get it in
there thoroughly enough? Would it be good for a
couple of
thousand miles?

Those who are serious about not getting flats make
their own mr
tuffys from old tires


How do you do the overlap? It has to be cut because
the radius
inside is a smidgen smaller than normal.

I was thinking about making my own Mr.Tuffy from a 2nd
thorn-resistant tube that is slit open lengthwise on
the rim side.
I'll see when the new tube gets here next week. There
should be
enough compliance in the rubber so there won;t be any
wrinkles.
Hopefully. The othe issue is that the smallest these
tubes come is
700 x 23/25mm and even 23mm is a bit large if there
is a another
thick tube in there.

Fraid I either did not ask or don't remember. I
remember the part
about removing the bead, but that's obvious. Mostly I
remember the
conclusion, made simply with no effort to convince:
"... and I don't
get flats".

Check it out. This guy rides 28s, and makes liners out
of old 27s, so there is no cutting or overlapping
necessary.
http://forums.bicycletutor.com/thread-4387.html


Good idea, though I wouldn't know anyone who still uses
27" wheels. Some
27" tires are still sold on EBay. But first I'll try the
Mr.Tuffy which
should be here in a week. Until then the MTB will be
pressed into
service despite an ailing BB. Carrying a spritz of
turbine oil along in
case it starts screeching.


https://www.biketiresdirect.com/sear...-tires?ppp=ALL



Amazing that there still is a market. Must be a lot of older
guys like us tooling around on their teenager bikes :-)


The working poor get to work every morning on $20 bikes,
many with 27" wheels.

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  #57  
Old September 7th 17, 03:27 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Mr.Tuffy liner for road bikes ok? Or 2nd tube?

On 2017-09-07 06:22, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/6/2017 11:20 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-05 23:22, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2017 16:20:54 -0700, Joerg

wrote:

On 2017-09-05 14:06, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 11:29:18 AM UTC-7,
Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-05 10:29, Doug Landau wrote:
On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7,
Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-31 17:38, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 11:55:06 AM UTC-7,
Joerg wrote:
Yesterday I had another two (!) sidewall punctures.
Long story
short I will definitely not recommend CST
Conquistare tires.
Wore out in less than 1200mi and then weakened
which is just
unacceptable. So thumbs down from me.

This brings up two questions:

1. The Mr.Tuffy orange liners for 700c narrow
tires. They must
be laid in with a wee overlap. Will that overlap
cause a 700c
25mm tire at 110psi to run bumpy? Like whop .. whop
.. whop
every time the overlap comes around?

2. What about taking a second (otherwise discarded)
thorn-resistant tube, slit it open on the inside
and slide it
over the real thorn-resistant as a 2nd layer?

The problem is that Kenda seems to have
discontinued selling
thorn-resistant tubes with good and most of all
same thickness
all around but now the thickness tapers off towards
the
sidewalls. That's where they fail. Same for Sunlite
which I had
to re-order yesterday because those things are
essentially
unfixable with those thin REMA patches.

Any words of wisdom? As usual, weight absolutely
does not
matter.

In case anyone knows: I read somewhere that
smugglers "inflate"
their vehicle tires with some sort of hardening
sealant
(Silicone? Construction foam?) that makes the tires
bullet-proof. What material is it and how do they
get it in
there thoroughly enough? Would it be good for a
couple of
thousand miles?

Those who are serious about not getting flats make
their own mr
tuffys from old tires


How do you do the overlap? It has to be cut because
the radius
inside is a smidgen smaller than normal.

I was thinking about making my own Mr.Tuffy from a 2nd
thorn-resistant tube that is slit open lengthwise on
the rim side.
I'll see when the new tube gets here next week. There
should be
enough compliance in the rubber so there won;t be any
wrinkles.
Hopefully. The othe issue is that the smallest these
tubes come is
700 x 23/25mm and even 23mm is a bit large if there
is a another
thick tube in there.

Fraid I either did not ask or don't remember. I
remember the part
about removing the bead, but that's obvious. Mostly I
remember the
conclusion, made simply with no effort to convince:
"... and I don't
get flats".

Check it out. This guy rides 28s, and makes liners out
of old 27s, so there is no cutting or overlapping
necessary.
http://forums.bicycletutor.com/thread-4387.html


Good idea, though I wouldn't know anyone who still uses
27" wheels. Some
27" tires are still sold on EBay. But first I'll try the
Mr.Tuffy which
should be here in a week. Until then the MTB will be
pressed into
service despite an ailing BB. Carrying a spritz of
turbine oil along in
case it starts screeching.

https://www.biketiresdirect.com/sear...-tires?ppp=ALL



Amazing that there still is a market. Must be a lot of older
guys like us tooling around on their teenager bikes :-)


The working poor get to work every morning on $20 bikes, many with 27"
wheels.


Sure. So did I when I was a student. The used 27" bikes back then lasted
one year on average. Then just about everything was shot, BB, wheel
bearings, rims, to the point where the fix simply was to consult the
university pinboard for another used road bike.

In 1982 I landed a lucrative vacation job so could afford a bike
custom-assembled at a LBS. I still ride that. It is a 700c bike and
those were hot commodities among thieves. So I had to use the old used
bikes for commuting and errand runs.

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Regards, Joerg

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Old September 7th 17, 05:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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https://www.google.com/search?q=cont...obile&ie=UTF-8

This is Sport USA n ura cheating your ride time experience with 19th Century tires made for 19th C risers ...what name Conti gave the 19TH CENTURY 27" tire rubber for people riding to work is irrelevant to the USA SPORT RIDE who knows damn well Uran0t gonna get $30 rubber for $10.

Not gonna happen.

There are secondary factors.Tires are made in large batches. Buy a older batch maybe from 1998 ... sold cheap creating the warehouse...like that. Conti 27" could be Chinese Cheng Zooo...?

Reading this continuous whining abt great deals in cheap tires questions your judgement. Upper price range tires are inexpensive relative to our living standards. Upper range delivers performance, your range delivers A to B.

As for J, maintained older quality 27's 10 speeds upgraded are lifetime frames. You had an LBS assemble a bicycle ? Incroyable. I change brakelines laying 3' of snow at 25d.

Muzi rides a snow Kestrel to work in Siberia

JB rides into the Sunset

build the tube jig...try.
  #59  
Old September 7th 17, 08:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Doug Landau
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Default Mr.Tuffy liner for road bikes ok? Or 2nd tube?

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:27:48 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-07 06:22, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/6/2017 11:20 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-05 23:22, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2017 16:20:54 -0700, Joerg

wrote:

On 2017-09-05 14:06, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 11:29:18 AM UTC-7,
Joerg wrote:
On 2017-09-05 10:29, Doug Landau wrote:
On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-7,
Joerg wrote:
On 2017-08-31 17:38, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 11:55:06 AM UTC-7,
Joerg wrote:
Yesterday I had another two (!) sidewall punctures.
Long story
short I will definitely not recommend CST
Conquistare tires.
Wore out in less than 1200mi and then weakened
which is just
unacceptable. So thumbs down from me.

This brings up two questions:

1. The Mr.Tuffy orange liners for 700c narrow
tires. They must
be laid in with a wee overlap. Will that overlap
cause a 700c
25mm tire at 110psi to run bumpy? Like whop .. whop
.. whop
every time the overlap comes around?

2. What about taking a second (otherwise discarded)
thorn-resistant tube, slit it open on the inside
and slide it
over the real thorn-resistant as a 2nd layer?

The problem is that Kenda seems to have
discontinued selling
thorn-resistant tubes with good and most of all
same thickness
all around but now the thickness tapers off towards
the
sidewalls. That's where they fail. Same for Sunlite
which I had
to re-order yesterday because those things are
essentially
unfixable with those thin REMA patches.

Any words of wisdom? As usual, weight absolutely
does not
matter.

In case anyone knows: I read somewhere that
smugglers "inflate"
their vehicle tires with some sort of hardening
sealant
(Silicone? Construction foam?) that makes the tires
bullet-proof. What material is it and how do they
get it in
there thoroughly enough? Would it be good for a
couple of
thousand miles?

Those who are serious about not getting flats make
their own mr
tuffys from old tires


How do you do the overlap? It has to be cut because
the radius
inside is a smidgen smaller than normal.

I was thinking about making my own Mr.Tuffy from a 2nd
thorn-resistant tube that is slit open lengthwise on
the rim side.
I'll see when the new tube gets here next week. There
should be
enough compliance in the rubber so there won;t be any
wrinkles.
Hopefully. The othe issue is that the smallest these
tubes come is
700 x 23/25mm and even 23mm is a bit large if there
is a another
thick tube in there.

Fraid I either did not ask or don't remember. I
remember the part
about removing the bead, but that's obvious. Mostly I
remember the
conclusion, made simply with no effort to convince:
"... and I don't
get flats".

Check it out. This guy rides 28s, and makes liners out
of old 27s, so there is no cutting or overlapping
necessary.
http://forums.bicycletutor.com/thread-4387.html


Good idea, though I wouldn't know anyone who still uses
27" wheels. Some
27" tires are still sold on EBay. But first I'll try the
Mr.Tuffy which
should be here in a week. Until then the MTB will be
pressed into
service despite an ailing BB. Carrying a spritz of
turbine oil along in
case it starts screeching.

https://www.biketiresdirect.com/sear...-tires?ppp=ALL



Amazing that there still is a market. Must be a lot of older
guys like us tooling around on their teenager bikes :-)


The working poor get to work every morning on $20 bikes, many with 27"
wheels.


Sure. So did I when I was a student. The used 27" bikes back then lasted
one year on average. Then just about everything was shot, BB, wheel
bearings, rims, to the point where the fix simply was to consult the
university pinboard for another used road bike.

In 1982 I landed a lucrative vacation job so could afford a bike
custom-assembled at a LBS. I still ride that. It is a 700c bike and
those were hot commodities among thieves. So I had to use the old used
bikes for commuting and errand runs.


None of this blather matters

  #60  
Old September 7th 17, 09:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Doug Landau
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Default Mr.Tuffy liner for road bikes ok? Or 2nd tube?

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 9:11:05 AM UTC-7, wrote:
https://www.google.com/search?q=cont...obile&ie=UTF-8

This is Sport USA n ura cheating your ride time experience with 19th Century tires made for 19th C risers ...what name Conti gave the 19TH CENTURY 27" tire rubber for people riding to work is irrelevant to the USA SPORT RIDE who knows damn well Uran0t gonna get $30 rubber for $10.

Not gonna happen.

Already did, at my local REI no less. It is common to see better deals on 27s than on 700s.
They are on ebay for $18, and in three sizes; there is also 27x1-1/8
There are Conti Ultrasports here for $16


Reading this continuous whining abt great deals in cheap tires questions your judgement. Upper price range tires are inexpensive relative to our living standards. Upper range delivers performance, your range delivers A to B..


You and Joerg are malfunctioning this week

 




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