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On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 1:52:24 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 8:21:25 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/17/2018 10:05 AM, AMuzi wrote: Real men prefer handlebar cages: https://roma.corriere.it/methode_ima...e-Web-Roma.JPG I don't understand why those went away. Assuming you're not using a handlebar bag, seems they'd be way more convenient than the downtube cages. -- - Frank Krygowski That is real estate now used for Garmins, Stages, etc. -- and for me, lights. I had a bar-mount bottle cage when I was a kid and don't remember anything about it or whether it had any affect on front-end feel. I think it would be weird having a bottle of water sloshing on the bar while I was climbing out of the saddle, but I don't know. The ancients apparently liked them. The MTBers have trended to hydration packs. I don't want one, but they are the last word in convenience. -- Jay Beattie. I don't have any problem riding no-hands with a partially full handle bar mounted water bottle or even two of them. I like the center mounted ones because they are in the center of the steering axis. The dual bottle mounts I use has a center mount and the mount for each cage is offset so that the entire unit is still centered on the handlebar. Here are 2 images of someone else's setup. http://i60.tinypic.com/ixeazl.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/2mx4yza.jpg Cheers |
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:05:23 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/17/2018 12:29 AM, John B. slocomb wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:08:05 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-11-14 15:46, AMuzi wrote: On 11/14/2018 5:42 PM, news18 wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:02:03 -0800, Joerg wrote: Joerg in particular might enjoy their B-Rad system (except that it won't fit his favorite growler). https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...b-rad-products I can't because my MTB doesn't even have the space for a single water bottle of decent size. Even the bike dealer where I bought is said "WHAT?? How could they now have that?". So I mounted one holder on the handlebar (I have a bike with a cup holder now!) plus modded the rear section for some heavy duty longhaul schlepping. http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy4.JPG Naah, under the down tube, maybe even on top of the down tube close to bottom bracket. And you could fit a real keg on top of the top tubes. Under the downtube it gets dirty with horse poop, cow poop, bear poop and dirty water, plus rock hits. Above there isn't enough space for a decent size bottle, 28oz and such. I used to carry two bottles on a carrier that mounted to the seat rails and held the bottles behind the seat. There are also carriers that mount on the handle bars and as a last resort I've carried bottles in the pockets of my cycling jersey. Real men prefer handlebar cages: https://roma.corriere.it/methode_ima...e-Web-Roma.JPG And they carried their spare tires on their shoulders :-) cheers, John B. |
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 07:54:44 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-11-17 07:05, AMuzi wrote: On 11/17/2018 12:29 AM, John B. slocomb wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:08:05 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-11-14 15:46, AMuzi wrote: On 11/14/2018 5:42 PM, news18 wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:02:03 -0800, Joerg wrote: Joerg in particular might enjoy their B-Rad system (except that it won't fit his favorite growler). https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...b-rad-products I can't because my MTB doesn't even have the space for a single water bottle of decent size. Even the bike dealer where I bought is said "WHAT?? How could they now have that?". So I mounted one holder on the handlebar (I have a bike with a cup holder now!) plus modded the rear section for some heavy duty longhaul schlepping. http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy4.JPG Naah, under the down tube, maybe even on top of the down tube close to bottom bracket. And you could fit a real keg on top of the top tubes. Under the downtube it gets dirty with horse poop, cow poop, bear poop and dirty water, plus rock hits. Above there isn't enough space for a decent size bottle, 28oz and such. I used to carry two bottles on a carrier that mounted to the seat rails and held the bottles behind the seat. There are also carriers that mount on the handle bars and as a last resort I've carried bottles in the pockets of my cycling jersey. Real men prefer handlebar cages: https://roma.corriere.it/methode_ima...e-Web-Roma.JPG That is similar to what I have on my MTB, except more upright like a cup holder in a car. _Very_ practical. Not having to reach down allows me to take a quick sip even in situations where you cannot control the handlebar single-handedly for long. I'd also have that on my road bike and might some day. However, that's where the MP3 player already resides and the bar is so narrow. But you can buy wider bars. see https://tinyurl.com/y7npyvt7 and heat treated after bending means that they are super strong too :-) cheers, John B. |
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Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 1:52:24 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 8:21:25 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/17/2018 10:05 AM, AMuzi wrote: Real men prefer handlebar cages: https://roma.corriere.it/methode_ima...e-Web-Roma.JPG I don't understand why those went away. Assuming you're not using a handlebar bag, seems they'd be way more convenient than the downtube cages. -- - Frank Krygowski That is real estate now used for Garmins, Stages, etc. -- and for me, lights. I had a bar-mount bottle cage when I was a kid and don't remember anything about it or whether it had any affect on front-end feel. I think it would be weird having a bottle of water sloshing on the bar while I was climbing out of the saddle, but I don't know. The ancients apparently liked them. The MTBers have trended to hydration packs. I don't want one, but they are the last word in convenience. -- Jay Beattie. I don't have any problem riding no-hands with a partially full handle bar mounted water bottle or even two of them. I like the center mounted ones because they are in the center of the steering axis. The dual bottle mounts I use has a center mount and the mount for each cage is offset so that the entire unit is still centered on the handlebar. Here are 2 images of someone else's setup. http://i60.tinypic.com/ixeazl.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/2mx4yza.jpg Cheers That little "stem extender" doohickey in the first picture looks potentially useful. I've always wanted a second smaller bar mounted in front of my regular bar for lights, GPS and whatever other **** I needed right in front of me. Sheldon's quill into a threadless stem idea was nifty, but being able to bolt a second stem at the end of the first would be even better. |
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 23:39:10 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote: Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 1:52:24 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 8:21:25 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/17/2018 10:05 AM, AMuzi wrote: Real men prefer handlebar cages: https://roma.corriere.it/methode_ima...e-Web-Roma.JPG I don't understand why those went away. Assuming you're not using a handlebar bag, seems they'd be way more convenient than the downtube cages. -- - Frank Krygowski That is real estate now used for Garmins, Stages, etc. -- and for me, lights. I had a bar-mount bottle cage when I was a kid and don't remember anything about it or whether it had any affect on front-end feel. I think it would be weird having a bottle of water sloshing on the bar while I was climbing out of the saddle, but I don't know. The ancients apparently liked them. The MTBers have trended to hydration packs. I don't want one, but they are the last word in convenience. -- Jay Beattie. I don't have any problem riding no-hands with a partially full handle bar mounted water bottle or even two of them. I like the center mounted ones because they are in the center of the steering axis. The dual bottle mounts I use has a center mount and the mount for each cage is offset so that the entire unit is still centered on the handlebar. Here are 2 images of someone else's setup. http://i60.tinypic.com/ixeazl.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/2mx4yza.jpg Cheers That little "stem extender" doohickey in the first picture looks potentially useful. I've always wanted a second smaller bar mounted in front of my regular bar for lights, GPS and whatever other **** I needed right in front of me. Sheldon's quill into a threadless stem idea was nifty, but being able to bolt a second stem at the end of the first would be even better. I believe that several companies make a clamp on attachment that does just that? https://tinyurl.com/y7euqvb4 or even better https://tinyurl.com/y99oy7ct cheers, John B. |
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On 11/17/2018 6:39 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 1:52:24 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 8:21:25 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/17/2018 10:05 AM, AMuzi wrote: Real men prefer handlebar cages: https://roma.corriere.it/methode_ima...e-Web-Roma.JPG I don't understand why those went away. Assuming you're not using a handlebar bag, seems they'd be way more convenient than the downtube cages. -- - Frank Krygowski That is real estate now used for Garmins, Stages, etc. -- and for me, lights. I had a bar-mount bottle cage when I was a kid and don't remember anything about it or whether it had any affect on front-end feel. I think it would be weird having a bottle of water sloshing on the bar while I was climbing out of the saddle, but I don't know. The ancients apparently liked them. The MTBers have trended to hydration packs. I don't want one, but they are the last word in convenience. -- Jay Beattie. I don't have any problem riding no-hands with a partially full handle bar mounted water bottle or even two of them. I like the center mounted ones because they are in the center of the steering axis. The dual bottle mounts I use has a center mount and the mount for each cage is offset so that the entire unit is still centered on the handlebar. Here are 2 images of someone else's setup. http://i60.tinypic.com/ixeazl.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/2mx4yza.jpg Cheers That little "stem extender" doohickey in the first picture looks potentially useful. I've always wanted a second smaller bar mounted in front of my regular bar for lights, GPS and whatever other **** I needed right in front of me. Sheldon's quill into a threadless stem idea was nifty, but being able to bolt a second stem at the end of the first would be even better. Seems there are lots of possibilities. From Peter White's site https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/light-mounts.php comes this photo https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/ima...light-bar2.jpg that gives you an idea what's possible. In fact, I don't see why those Nitto holders https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-lamp...540-14/product couldn't be daisy chained. How many feet of extra mounting space would you like? ;-) -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/17/2018 6:39 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 1:52:24 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 8:21:25 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/17/2018 10:05 AM, AMuzi wrote: Real men prefer handlebar cages: https://roma.corriere.it/methode_ima...e-Web-Roma.JPG I don't understand why those went away. Assuming you're not using a handlebar bag, seems they'd be way more convenient than the downtube cages. -- - Frank Krygowski That is real estate now used for Garmins, Stages, etc. -- and for me, lights. I had a bar-mount bottle cage when I was a kid and don't remember anything about it or whether it had any affect on front-end feel. I think it would be weird having a bottle of water sloshing on the bar while I was climbing out of the saddle, but I don't know. The ancients apparently liked them. The MTBers have trended to hydration packs. I don't want one, but they are the last word in convenience. -- Jay Beattie. I don't have any problem riding no-hands with a partially full handle bar mounted water bottle or even two of them. I like the center mounted ones because they are in the center of the steering axis. The dual bottle mounts I use has a center mount and the mount for each cage is offset so that the entire unit is still centered on the handlebar. Here are 2 images of someone else's setup. http://i60.tinypic.com/ixeazl.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/2mx4yza.jpg Cheers That little "stem extender" doohickey in the first picture looks potentially useful. I've always wanted a second smaller bar mounted in front of my regular bar for lights, GPS and whatever other **** I needed right in front of me. Sheldon's quill into a threadless stem idea was nifty, but being able to bolt a second stem at the end of the first would be even better. Seems there are lots of possibilities. From Peter White's site https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/light-mounts.php comes this photo https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/ima...light-bar2.jpg that gives you an idea what's possible. In fact, I don't see why those Nitto holders https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-lamp...540-14/product couldn't be daisy chained. How many feet of extra mounting space would you like? ;-) I've seen the Nitto style extenders, and they're pretty good, but if you had a 4 bolt stem, wouldn't it be great to replace the front cap with another 4 bolt stem and have the second bar with NO wasted space on the first bar? |
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On 11/17/2018 5:39 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 1:52:24 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 8:21:25 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/17/2018 10:05 AM, AMuzi wrote: Real men prefer handlebar cages: https://roma.corriere.it/methode_ima...e-Web-Roma.JPG I don't understand why those went away. Assuming you're not using a handlebar bag, seems they'd be way more convenient than the downtube cages. -- - Frank Krygowski That is real estate now used for Garmins, Stages, etc. -- and for me, lights. I had a bar-mount bottle cage when I was a kid and don't remember anything about it or whether it had any affect on front-end feel. I think it would be weird having a bottle of water sloshing on the bar while I was climbing out of the saddle, but I don't know. The ancients apparently liked them. The MTBers have trended to hydration packs. I don't want one, but they are the last word in convenience. -- Jay Beattie. I don't have any problem riding no-hands with a partially full handle bar mounted water bottle or even two of them. I like the center mounted ones because they are in the center of the steering axis. The dual bottle mounts I use has a center mount and the mount for each cage is offset so that the entire unit is still centered on the handlebar. Here are 2 images of someone else's setup. http://i60.tinypic.com/ixeazl.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/2mx4yza.jpg Cheers That little "stem extender" doohickey in the first picture looks potentially useful. I've always wanted a second smaller bar mounted in front of my regular bar for lights, GPS and whatever other **** I needed right in front of me. Sheldon's quill into a threadless stem idea was nifty, but being able to bolt a second stem at the end of the first would be even better. Minoura's Space Grip is an old cheap and ubiquitous thing see your LBS: https://www.cyclechat.net/attachment...-1-jpg.322237/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 10:32:30 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/17/2018 5:39 PM, Ralph Barone wrote: Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 1:52:24 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 8:21:25 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/17/2018 10:05 AM, AMuzi wrote: Real men prefer handlebar cages: https://roma.corriere.it/methode_ima...e-Web-Roma.JPG I don't understand why those went away. Assuming you're not using a handlebar bag, seems they'd be way more convenient than the downtube cages. -- - Frank Krygowski That is real estate now used for Garmins, Stages, etc. -- and for me, lights. I had a bar-mount bottle cage when I was a kid and don't remember anything about it or whether it had any affect on front-end feel. I think it would be weird having a bottle of water sloshing on the bar while I was climbing out of the saddle, but I don't know. The ancients apparently liked them. The MTBers have trended to hydration packs. I don't want one, but they are the last word in convenience. -- Jay Beattie. I don't have any problem riding no-hands with a partially full handle bar mounted water bottle or even two of them. I like the center mounted ones because they are in the center of the steering axis. The dual bottle mounts I use has a center mount and the mount for each cage is offset so that the entire unit is still centered on the handlebar. Here are 2 images of someone else's setup. http://i60.tinypic.com/ixeazl.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/2mx4yza.jpg Cheers That little "stem extender" doohickey in the first picture looks potentially useful. I've always wanted a second smaller bar mounted in front of my regular bar for lights, GPS and whatever other **** I needed right in front of me. Sheldon's quill into a threadless stem idea was nifty, but being able to bolt a second stem at the end of the first would be even better. Minoura's Space Grip is an old cheap and ubiquitous thing see your LBS: https://www.cyclechat.net/attachment...-1-jpg.322237/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 SG-200 and SG-200L as shown in your link are now discontinued items. there is a similar unit shown on the Minoura site though. You can see them under "Light Holder" on the website. http://www.minoura.jp/english/access...ttlecageholder Cheers |
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On 2018-11-17 15:07, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 07:54:44 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-11-17 07:05, AMuzi wrote: On 11/17/2018 12:29 AM, John B. slocomb wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:08:05 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-11-14 15:46, AMuzi wrote: On 11/14/2018 5:42 PM, news18 wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:02:03 -0800, Joerg wrote: Joerg in particular might enjoy their B-Rad system (except that it won't fit his favorite growler). https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...b-rad-products I can't because my MTB doesn't even have the space for a single water bottle of decent size. Even the bike dealer where I bought is said "WHAT?? How could they now have that?". So I mounted one holder on the handlebar (I have a bike with a cup holder now!) plus modded the rear section for some heavy duty longhaul schlepping. http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Muddy4.JPG Naah, under the down tube, maybe even on top of the down tube close to bottom bracket. And you could fit a real keg on top of the top tubes. Under the downtube it gets dirty with horse poop, cow poop, bear poop and dirty water, plus rock hits. Above there isn't enough space for a decent size bottle, 28oz and such. I used to carry two bottles on a carrier that mounted to the seat rails and held the bottles behind the seat. There are also carriers that mount on the handle bars and as a last resort I've carried bottles in the pockets of my cycling jersey. Real men prefer handlebar cages: https://roma.corriere.it/methode_ima...e-Web-Roma.JPG That is similar to what I have on my MTB, except more upright like a cup holder in a car. _Very_ practical. Not having to reach down allows me to take a quick sip even in situations where you cannot control the handlebar single-handedly for long. I'd also have that on my road bike and might some day. However, that's where the MP3 player already resides and the bar is so narrow. But you can buy wider bars. see https://tinyurl.com/y7npyvt7 and heat treated after bending means that they are super strong too :-) Then I'd go all out: https://www.bicycledesigner.com/bike...er-chrome.html Plus a nice loud Harley sound on the MP3 player. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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