Who is to blame

http://tinyurl.com/yc2x8slo

Opinions are divided on this.

Was the cyclist in the wrong lane?

Did he put himself in the blind spot?

On 07.07.2017 20:49, doug wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yc2x8slo

Opinions are divided on this.

Was the cyclist in the wrong lane?

Did he put himself in the blind spot?

He probably did.
Although he was in front of the lorry he was barely in front, and
therefore possibly in the lorry's blind spot.

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 9:49:19 AM UTC+1, doug wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yc2x8slo

Opinions are divided on this.

Was the cyclist in the wrong lane?

Did he put himself in the blind spot?

On the face of it the cyclists was at fault.
It depends on whether the lorry driver knew the cyclist was there, you can't just drive into someone just because you think you have right of way.

On 07/07/2017 15:26, wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 9:49:19 AM UTC+1, doug wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yc2x8slo

Opinions are divided on this.

Was the cyclist in the wrong lane?

Did he put himself in the blind spot?

On the face of it the cyclists was at fault.
It depends on whether the lorry driver knew the cyclist was there, you can't just drive into someone just because you think you have right of way.


The cyclist was in front of the Lorry. The Lorry driver could see a lot
of cyclists were on his inside at the lights. He tried to out accelerate
the cyclists as the road narrowed. I would ban him as dangerous.

If lorry drivers cannot see in front they should be more careful. They
should ban lorries which do not have a proper field of vision.

On 07-Jul-17 3:48 PM, Nick wrote:
On 07/07/2017 15:26, wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 9:49:19 AM UTC+1, doug wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yc2x8slo

Opinions are divided on this.

Was the cyclist in the wrong lane?

Did he put himself in the blind spot?

On the face of it the cyclists was at fault.
It depends on whether the lorry driver knew the cyclist was there, you
can't just drive into someone just because you think you have right of
way.


The cyclist was in front of the Lorry. The Lorry driver could see a lot
of cyclists were on his inside at the lights. He tried to out accelerate
the cyclists as the road narrowed. I would ban him as dangerous.

If lorry drivers cannot see in front they should be more careful. They
should ban lorries which do not have a proper field of vision.

It has been suggested that the cyclists were in a left hand turn lane.

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On 07/07/2017 16:37, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07-Jul-17 3:48 PM, Nick wrote:
On 07/07/2017 15:26, wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 9:49:19 AM UTC+1, doug wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yc2x8slo

Opinions are divided on this.

Was the cyclist in the wrong lane?

Did he put himself in the blind spot?

On the face of it the cyclists was at fault.
It depends on whether the lorry driver knew the cyclist was there,
you can't just drive into someone just because you think you have
right of way.


The cyclist was in front of the Lorry. The Lorry driver could see a
lot of cyclists were on his inside at the lights. He tried to out
accelerate the cyclists as the road narrowed. I would ban him as
dangerous.

If lorry drivers cannot see in front they should be more careful. They
should ban lorries which do not have a proper field of vision.

It has been suggested that the cyclists were in a left hand turn lane.


Yes I understand that. The Lorry driver could see that there were some
cyclists in the left hand lane. The road was narrowing and he was
effectively pulling in toward the curb. It doesn't take much skill to
realise the danger. That is why I think he should be banned.



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On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 4:38:00 PM UTC+1, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07-Jul-17 3:48 PM, Nick wrote:
On 07/07/2017 15:26, wrote:
On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 9:49:19 AM UTC+1, doug wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yc2x8slo

Opinions are divided on this.

Was the cyclist in the wrong lane?

Did he put himself in the blind spot?

On the face of it the cyclists was at fault.
It depends on whether the lorry driver knew the cyclist was there, you
can't just drive into someone just because you think you have right of
way.


The cyclist was in front of the Lorry. The Lorry driver could see a lot
of cyclists were on his inside at the lights. He tried to out accelerate
the cyclists as the road narrowed. I would ban him as dangerous.

If lorry drivers cannot see in front they should be more careful. They
should ban lorries which do not have a proper field of vision.

It has been suggested that the cyclists were in a left hand turn lane.


There is no 'suggested' about it. The cyclists WERE in a left turn only lane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzv11EyiMvw

On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 08:48:18 -0700 (PDT)
wrote:

There is no 'suggested' about it. The cyclists WERE in a left turn
only lane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzv11EyiMvw


Cyclist not showing sufficient situational awareness - he was doing the
old car driver trick of just following the one in front without looking.
If you use a left-turn-only lane to go straight (a bad idea in pretty
much any situation anyway) you really have to be prepared to out-run or
otherwise avoid anyone who might assume you weren't going straight on.
The issue of large vehicles with dangerously restricted visibility is a
separate one - in this situation the truck driver showed good awareness
and responded in the best way he could have to an invisible obstruction.
It would of course have been better if he had blind spot cameras, so he
could have sounded his horn before hitting the cyclist. :-)

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 9:49:19 AM UTC+1, doug wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yc2x8slo

Opinions are divided on this.

Was the cyclist in the wrong lane?

Did he put himself in the blind spot?

Fake video.
We have been told many times that cyclists never stop for red lights.

On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 09:46:39 -0700 (PDT)
wrote:

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 9:49:19 AM UTC+1, doug wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yc2x8slo

Opinions are divided on this.

Was the cyclist in the wrong lane?

Did he put himself in the blind spot?

Fake video.
We have been told many times that cyclists never stop for red lights.

Hehe. :-)