Prom wars: Councillors agree to one-year trial of letting Lllandudnocyclists ride along prom

QUOTE:

Cyclists in Llandudno, North Wales, are to be allowed to ride on the
seaside town’s promenade after Conwy councillors voted six to two to
undertake a one-year trial of lifting restrictions.

The news, reported by the BBC, follows a sustained and long-running
campaign by Sustrans Cymru, as previously highlighted here on road.cc
where the ongoing saga regularly pops up at around this time of year.

The difference this time around is that cyclists have something to
celebrate.

"It's sheer relief that common sense has prevailed," said CTC Cymru’s
Roy Spilsbury, adding, “Cyclists now won't have to go along the main
parade battling with the busy road."

According to the sustainable transport charity, bicycles are permitted
on some 125 seaside promenades throughout the UK, making Llandudno,
which has had a promenade since around 1876, very much the exception.

The one-year trial was approved last week by a task and finish group
chaired by Councillor Christine Jones, who said, “Yes, we think there
probably will be risks but the risks are minimal.

"You have risks if you put a car on the road and as a consequence of
this we have decided to go forward," she added.

The BBC said that warning signs and CCTV would be deployed to help
ensure safety.

However, John Lawson Rea of the Llandudno Civic Trust, reinforced his
opposition to letting cyclists use the promenade.

"Bicycles and pedestrians don't mix," he maintained. "We don't allow
them on the pavements in towns and cities. It applies exactly the same
on the promenade.

"The reality of it is that people want to walk along a promenade in
safety with their kids and their dogs," he added.

Ahead of the ban being lifted, Dr Neil Mackenzie of the Llandudno for
Safe Cycling group had told the North Wales Weekly News: “This common
sense solution will put an end to pensioners, families with young
children, and tourist cyclists being embarrassed by being shouted at
to dismount when they approach the cenotaph area.

“Although cyclists with common sense will dismount when this area is
busy, not every cyclist has the appropriate level of experience or
courtesy,” he continued.

“We would be dismayed if, during the trial period, an accident
involving a cyclist and pedestrian in this area resulted in the whole
prom being closed to cyclists, when in practice it is just one area
which needs to be addressed. Prevention is better than cure.

“We hope the communities overview and scrutiny committee will accept
the task and finish group’s recommendations as we are confident that
it will enhance Llandudno’s tourist trade by providing an additional
leisure facility,” he added.

“It will also contribute to a healthy lifestyle for young and old, and
will improve the town’s image as a green environmentally friendly low
carbon town.”

http://road.cc/content/news/52640-pr...sts-ride-along

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Simon Mason

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:46:31 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

QUOTE:

Cyclists in Llandudno, North Wales, are to be allowed to ride on the
seaside town’s promenade after Conwy councillors voted six to two to
undertake a one-year trial of lifting restrictions.



Don't forget to write and complain about this to :



or even better write to the Mayor at:

Town Hall, Lloyd Street
Llandudno
North Wales
LL30 2UP

or just a complaint via the form at

http://www.llandudno.gov.uk/contact/contacts/town-clerk


It appears this has been imposed on the town by the County Council


Dear Sir or Madam

I have been holidaying in Llandudno for the last twenty years.

I am disgusted to see that you are to formally permit cyclists on the
promenade; there has been an on-going problem which has been getting worse over
recent years. I have personally witnessed, and also directly experienced, the
effects of mixing inconsiderate cyclists with pedestrians.
The cyclists must be kept to the road - and the promenade retained for the
pedestrians - as it was intended. I will not insult you by suggesting you look
up the definition of "promenade".

I can assure you that I will not be organising the pensioner trips this year
which I have organised to Llandudno for the last fifteen years; I will find a
more pedestrian/pensioner friendly resort in North Wales.


Yours sincerely

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Guess who has just written to complain via all three mechanisms?? - and it is
not Judith Smith :-)

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:19:59 +0000, Judith
wrote:

Guess who has just written to complain via all three mechanisms?? - and it is
not Judith Smith :-)

Lou Knee?

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:27:10 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:19:59 +0000, Judith
wrote:

Guess who has just written to complain via all three mechanisms?? - and it is
not Judith Smith :-)

Lou Knee?



It looks like he is going to miss his 15 minutes of fame - something to do with
the Porker deciding not to take the stand or something along those lines

"Tell me Mr Chapman, is it true that you went to the trouble of registering an
email address purely so that you and some of your colleagues could post abuse
about the defendant on the internet"

I bet Porky has told you all about it - hasn't he ?

Just like he told you the truth over the Lou Knee saga.

--
Porky Chapman bragged about the fact that he was taking someone he
had accused of harassing him through the court system.
All of a sudden his court case is off. Was it because Porky was scared of
being cross-examined and having to answer questions under oath?
Or did the CPS sling the case out because of Porky's "evidence"?
Why won't he tell us?

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--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Feb 15, 11:46*am, Simon Mason wrote:

“We hope the communities overview and scrutiny committee will accept
the task and finish group’s recommendations as we are confident that
it will enhance Llandudno’s tourist trade by providing an additional
leisure facility,” he added.

“It will also contribute to a healthy lifestyle for young and old, and
will improve the town’s image as a green environmentally friendly low
carbon town.”

Well said.
Hopefully the trial will be a success and will continue indefinitely
beyond the planned year.

--
Simon Mason

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:24:33 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

snip


Well said.
Hopefully the trial will be a success and will continue indefinitely
beyond the planned year.



What trial? Porky Chapman vs Nuxx Bar - or Simon Mason vs A BP Shareholder



Did you not know - they are both off. No idea why :-)

--
Porky Chapman bragged about the fact that he was taking someone he
had accused of harassing him through the court system.
All of a sudden his court case is off. Was it because Porky was scared of
being cross-examined and having to answer questions under oath?
Or did the CPS sling the case out because of Porky's "evidence"?
Why won't he tell us?

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:46:26 +0000, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

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Never mind... I guess your accountant will be able to double what you
get by using some crafty tax loophole...

On Feb 16, 7:24*am, Simon Mason wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:46*am, Simon Mason wrote:



“We hope the communities overview and scrutiny committee will accept
the task and finish group’s recommendations as we are confident that
it will enhance Llandudno’s tourist trade by providing an additional
leisure facility,” he added.

“It will also contribute to a healthy lifestyle for young and old, and
will improve the town’s image as a green environmentally friendly low
carbon town.”

Well said.
Hopefully the trial will be a success and will continue indefinitely
beyond the planned year.

--
Simon Mason

We had a similar trial all along the Humber from the ferry to The Deep
and cyclists are still allowed down there 10 years down the line.

--
Simon Mason

On 16/02/2012 16:00, *Simon* *Mason* wrote:

On Feb 16, 7:24 am, *Simon* *Mason* wrote:

On Feb 15, 11:46 am, *Simon* *Mason* wrote:

“We hope the communities overview and scrutiny committee will accept
the task and finish group’s recommendations as we are confident that
it will enhance Llandudno’s tourist trade by providing an additional
leisure facility,” he added.

“It will also contribute to a healthy lifestyle for young and old, and
will improve the town’s image as a green environmentally friendly low
carbon town.”

Well said.

???? Hilarious.

Hopefully the trial will be a success and will continue indefinitely
beyond the planned year.
--
Simon Mason

We had a similar trial all along the Humber from the ferry to The Deep
and cyclists are still allowed down there 10 years down the line.

--
Simon Mason

You talkin' to you? You talkin' to you?

You talkin' to *you*?

Then who the hell else are you talkin' to? You talkin' to you? Well you're
the only one here. Who the **** do you think you're talking to?