Hit and run driver crashed into shop and killed boy.

This could never happen with a cyclist. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous drivers. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while cyclists are continuously criticised for merely riding
on pavements, especially by the motorists on this cycling newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.

Amazingly, the killer driver was bailed by police and presumably has
been allowed to continue driving since May!

"Man in court over Smethwick teenager's car crash death

A man has appeared in court charged with killing a boy who died after
being hit by a car which crashed into a shop.

Mahamed Nabaz Salam, 28, of West Bromwich, West Midlands, is charged
with causing 15-year-old Joshua McAuley's death by dangerous driving.

Joshua died after the car left the road in Cape Hill, Smethwick, on 15
May.

Mr Salam, of Green Street, is also charged with failing to stop at the
scene of an accident and failing to report an accident.

He did not enter any pleas to the charges when he appeared at Warley
Magistrates' Court, in Oldbury.

The defendant is due to appear at Wolverhampton Crown Court on 25
October."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...untry-10840287

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/b...7319-26462021/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/rip-jo...26514607361268

http://www.birminghammail.net/tags/joshua-mcauley/

"...Horrified neighbours watched as a car ploughed into the front of
the off licence and grocers Saya International Foods, pinning Joshua,
of Church Gardens, against the front of the shop and throwing a woman
pedestrian down the street..."

Read mo http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...#ixzz0vWHSLtUu

I do hope these reports are sufficiently credible to satisfy the
motorists on this newsgroup.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Doug wrote:
This could never happen with a cyclist. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous drivers. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while cyclists are continuously criticised for merely riding
on pavements, especially by the motorists on this cycling newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.

Amazingly, the killer driver was bailed by police and presumably has
been allowed to continue driving since May!

"Man in court over Smethwick teenager's car crash death

A man has appeared in court charged with killing a boy who died after
being hit by a car which crashed into a shop.

Mahamed Nabaz Salam, 28, of West Bromwich, West Midlands, is charged
with causing 15-year-old Joshua McAuley's death by dangerous driving.

Joshua died after the car left the road in Cape Hill, Smethwick, on 15
May.

Mr Salam, of Green Street, is also charged with failing to stop at the
scene of an accident and failing to report an accident.

He did not enter any pleas to the charges when he appeared at Warley
Magistrates' Court, in Oldbury.

The defendant is due to appear at Wolverhampton Crown Court on 25
October."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...untry-10840287

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/b...7319-26462021/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/rip-jo...26514607361268

http://www.birminghammail.net/tags/joshua-mcauley/

"...Horrified neighbours watched as a car ploughed into the front of
the off licence and grocers Saya International Foods, pinning Joshua,
of Church Gardens, against the front of the shop and throwing a woman
pedestrian down the street..."

Read mo http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...#ixzz0vWHSLtUu

I do hope these reports are sufficiently credible to satisfy the
motorists on this newsgroup.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Why have you not posted this th uk.cookery, as this sort of thing could
not be caused by a bacon sandwich?

e.g.
This could never happen with a bacon sandwich. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous snacks. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while sandwiches are continuously criticised for merely being
greasy, especially by the cooks on this newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.


--
Tony Dragon

On 3 Aug, 07:37, Tony Dragon wrote:
Doug wrote:
This could never happen with a cyclist. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous drivers. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while cyclists are continuously criticised for merely riding
on pavements, especially by the motorists on this cycling newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.

Amazingly, the killer driver was bailed by police and presumably has
been allowed to continue driving since May!

"Man in court over Smethwick teenager's car crash death

A man has appeared in court charged with killing a boy who died after
being hit by a car which crashed into a shop.

Mahamed Nabaz Salam, 28, of West Bromwich, West Midlands, is charged
with causing 15-year-old Joshua McAuley's death by dangerous driving.

Joshua died after the car left the road in Cape Hill, Smethwick, on 15
May.

Mr Salam, of Green Street, is also charged with failing to stop at the
scene of an accident and failing to report an accident.

He did not enter any pleas to the charges when he appeared at Warley
Magistrates' Court, in Oldbury.

The defendant is due to appear at Wolverhampton Crown Court on 25
October."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...untry-10840287

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/b.../05/17/pals-mo...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/rip-jo...d-student-and-...

http://www.birminghammail.net/tags/joshua-mcauley/

"...Horrified neighbours watched as a car ploughed into the front of
the off licence and grocers Saya International Foods, pinning Joshua,
of Church Gardens, against the front of the shop and throwing a woman
pedestrian down the street..."

Read mohttp://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...-charged-on-de...

I do hope these reports are sufficiently credible to satisfy the
motorists on this newsgroup.


Why have you not posted this th uk.cookery, as this sort of thing could
not be caused by a bacon sandwich?

e.g.
This could never happen with a bacon sandwich. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous snacks. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while sandwiches are continuously criticised for merely being
greasy, especially by the cooks on this *newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.

If the child had been killed by a snack then it would have been
appropriate for uk.cookery but cyclists are not usually killed by
snacks but instead are killed by dangerous drivers. Also, as the
question of riding on pavements often arises on this NG, and this
killing happened on a pavement, so it would seem to be entirely
appropriate here.

I know you find it difficult to accept that the car you use is highly
dangerous to cyclists but maybe you should consider this more often
instead of dismissing the whole thing as OT and not worthy of
consideration here.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Doug wrote:

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100802/NEWS/100801027

BugBear

Doug wrote:

[ ... ]

If the child had been killed by a snack then it would have been
appropriate for uk.cookery but cyclists are not usually killed by
snacks but instead are killed by dangerous drivers.

Actually, although it doesn't often come to fruition until the victim has
lived for several more decades, snacks kill children far more often than
dangerous drivers do.

HTH.

Also, as the
question of riding on pavements often arises on this NG, and this
killing happened on a pavement, so it would seem to be entirely
appropriate here.

Indeed.

Now, in order to make it fully relevant, perhaps you can point out the parts
of any of the reports you cited where it is stated or alleged that the driver
- whose behaviour may well have been absolutely atrocious - was driving along
the footway in the manner of a cyclist.

I know you find it difficult to accept that the car you use is highly
dangerous to cyclists but maybe you should consider this more often
instead of dismissing the whole thing as OT and not worthy of
consideration here.

Cyclist?

I thought the victim was on foot?

On Aug 3, 1:25*pm, JNugent wrote:
Doug wrote:

[ ... ]

If the child had been killed by a snack then it would have been
appropriate for uk.cookery but cyclists are not usually killed by
snacks but instead are killed by dangerous drivers.

Actually, although it doesn't often come to fruition until the victim has
lived for several more decades, snacks kill children far more often than
dangerous drivers do.

HTH.

Also, as the
question of riding on pavements often arises on this NG, and this
killing happened on a pavement, so it would seem to be entirely
appropriate here.

Indeed.

Now, in order to make it fully relevant, perhaps you can point out the parts
of any of the reports you cited where it is stated or alleged that the driver
- whose behaviour may well have been absolutely atrocious - was driving along
the footway in the manner of a cyclist.

I know you find it difficult to accept that the car you use is highly
dangerous to cyclists but maybe you should consider this more often
instead of dismissing the whole thing as OT and not worthy of
consideration here.

Cyclist?

I thought the victim was on foot?

I wonder who started this Off Topic thread?

On Aug 3, 7:50*am, Doug wrote:
On 3 Aug, 07:37, Tony Dragon wrote:



Doug wrote:
This could never happen with a cyclist. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous drivers. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while cyclists are continuously criticised for merely riding
on pavements, especially by the motorists on this cycling newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.

Amazingly, the killer driver was bailed by police and presumably has
been allowed to continue driving since May!

"Man in court over Smethwick teenager's car crash death

A man has appeared in court charged with killing a boy who died after
being hit by a car which crashed into a shop.

Mahamed Nabaz Salam, 28, of West Bromwich, West Midlands, is charged
with causing 15-year-old Joshua McAuley's death by dangerous driving.

Joshua died after the car left the road in Cape Hill, Smethwick, on 15
May.

Mr Salam, of Green Street, is also charged with failing to stop at the
scene of an accident and failing to report an accident.

He did not enter any pleas to the charges when he appeared at Warley
Magistrates' Court, in Oldbury.

The defendant is due to appear at Wolverhampton Crown Court on 25
October."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...untry-10840287

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/b.../05/17/pals-mo....

http://www.facebook.com/pages/rip-jo...d-student-and-....

http://www.birminghammail.net/tags/joshua-mcauley/

"...Horrified neighbours watched as a car ploughed into the front of
the off licence and grocers Saya International Foods, pinning Joshua,
of Church Gardens, against the front of the shop and throwing a woman
pedestrian down the street..."

Read mohttp://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...-charged-on-de...

I do hope these reports are sufficiently credible to satisfy the
motorists on this newsgroup.

Why have you not posted this th uk.cookery, as this sort of thing could
not be caused by a bacon sandwich?

e.g.
This could never happen with a bacon sandwich. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous snacks. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while sandwiches are continuously criticised for merely being
greasy, especially by the cooks on this *newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.

If the child had been killed by a snack then it would have been
appropriate for uk.cookery but cyclists are not usually killed by
snacks but instead are killed by dangerous drivers.

Do you have evidence to demonstrate that more cyclists due due to
collisions with cars than from results of, say, unhealthy eating?
Your excuse for posting OT doesn't stand up, I'm afraid.

Also, as the
question of riding on pavements often arises on this NG, and this
killing happened on a pavement, so it would seem to be entirely
appropriate here.

No again.

I know you find it difficult to accept that the car you use is highly
dangerous to cyclists

I would wager that Tony's car has never been a danger to cyclists. I
know mine hasn't.

but maybe you should consider this more often
instead of dismissing the whole thing as OT and not worthy of
consideration here.

On Aug 3, 7:04*am, Doug wrote:
This could never happen with a cyclist.

Oh yes it could.

Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days

I think you'll find that, on the whole, they are safe.

from these highly
dangerous drivers. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue

No, it is not "allowed", as is often pointed out to you.

while cyclists are continuously criticised for merely riding
on pavements

And why shouldn't they? As, too, will drivers who run people over be
criticised by drivers as well as non-drivers.

, especially by the motorists on this cycling newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.

Amazingly, the killer driver was bailed by police and presumably has
been allowed to continue driving since May!

"Man in court over Smethwick teenager's car crash death

A man has appeared in court charged with killing a boy who died after
being hit by a car which crashed into a shop.

Mahamed Nabaz Salam, 28, of West Bromwich, West Midlands, is charged
with causing 15-year-old Joshua McAuley's death by dangerous driving.

Joshua died after the car left the road in Cape Hill, Smethwick, on 15
May.

Mr Salam, of Green Street, is also charged with failing to stop at the
scene of an accident and failing to report an accident.

He did not enter any pleas to the charges when he appeared at Warley
Magistrates' Court, in Oldbury.

The defendant is due to appear at Wolverhampton Crown Court on 25
October."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...untry-10840287

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/b.../05/17/pals-mo...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/rip-jo...d-student-and-...

http://www.birminghammail.net/tags/joshua-mcauley/

"...Horrified neighbours watched as a car ploughed into the front of
the off licence and grocers Saya International Foods, pinning Joshua,
of Church Gardens, against the front of the shop and throwing a woman
pedestrian down the street..."

Read mohttp://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...-charged-on-de...

I do hope these reports are sufficiently credible to satisfy the
motorists on this newsgroup.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Doug wrote:
On 3 Aug, 07:37, Tony Dragon wrote:
Doug wrote:
This could never happen with a cyclist. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous drivers. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while cyclists are continuously criticised for merely riding
on pavements, especially by the motorists on this cycling newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.
Amazingly, the killer driver was bailed by police and presumably has
been allowed to continue driving since May!
"Man in court over Smethwick teenager's car crash death
A man has appeared in court charged with killing a boy who died after
being hit by a car which crashed into a shop.
Mahamed Nabaz Salam, 28, of West Bromwich, West Midlands, is charged
with causing 15-year-old Joshua McAuley's death by dangerous driving.
Joshua died after the car left the road in Cape Hill, Smethwick, on 15
May.
Mr Salam, of Green Street, is also charged with failing to stop at the
scene of an accident and failing to report an accident.
He did not enter any pleas to the charges when he appeared at Warley
Magistrates' Court, in Oldbury.
The defendant is due to appear at Wolverhampton Crown Court on 25
October."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...untry-10840287
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/b.../05/17/pals-mo...
http://www.facebook.com/pages/rip-jo...d-student-and-...
http://www.birminghammail.net/tags/joshua-mcauley/
"...Horrified neighbours watched as a car ploughed into the front of
the off licence and grocers Saya International Foods, pinning Joshua,
of Church Gardens, against the front of the shop and throwing a woman
pedestrian down the street..."
Read mohttp://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...-charged-on-de...
I do hope these reports are sufficiently credible to satisfy the
motorists on this newsgroup.

Why have you not posted this th uk.cookery, as this sort of thing could
not be caused by a bacon sandwich?

e.g.
This could never happen with a bacon sandwich. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous snacks. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while sandwiches are continuously criticised for merely being
greasy, especially by the cooks on this newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.

If the child had been killed by a snack then it would have been
appropriate for uk.cookery but cyclists are not usually killed by
snacks but instead are killed by dangerous drivers. Also, as the
question of riding on pavements often arises on this NG, and this
killing happened on a pavement, so it would seem to be entirely
appropriate here.

I know you find it difficult to accept that the car you use is highly
dangerous to cyclists but maybe you should consider this more often
instead of dismissing the whole thing as OT and not worthy of
consideration here.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Did anything in this report mention cyclists, cycling, cycles?

--
Tony Dragon

FrengaX wrote:
On Aug 3, 7:50 am, Doug wrote:
On 3 Aug, 07:37, Tony Dragon wrote:



Doug wrote:
This could never happen with a cyclist. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous drivers. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while cyclists are continuously criticised for merely riding
on pavements, especially by the motorists on this cycling newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.
Amazingly, the killer driver was bailed by police and presumably has
been allowed to continue driving since May!
"Man in court over Smethwick teenager's car crash death
A man has appeared in court charged with killing a boy who died after
being hit by a car which crashed into a shop.
Mahamed Nabaz Salam, 28, of West Bromwich, West Midlands, is charged
with causing 15-year-old Joshua McAuley's death by dangerous driving.
Joshua died after the car left the road in Cape Hill, Smethwick, on 15
May.
Mr Salam, of Green Street, is also charged with failing to stop at the
scene of an accident and failing to report an accident.
He did not enter any pleas to the charges when he appeared at Warley
Magistrates' Court, in Oldbury.
The defendant is due to appear at Wolverhampton Crown Court on 25
October."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...untry-10840287
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/b.../05/17/pals-mo...
http://www.facebook.com/pages/rip-jo...d-student-and-...
http://www.birminghammail.net/tags/joshua-mcauley/
"...Horrified neighbours watched as a car ploughed into the front of
the off licence and grocers Saya International Foods, pinning Joshua,
of Church Gardens, against the front of the shop and throwing a woman
pedestrian down the street..."
Read mohttp://www.expressandstar.com/news/2...-charged-on-de...
I do hope these reports are sufficiently credible to satisfy the
motorists on this newsgroup.
Why have you not posted this th uk.cookery, as this sort of thing could
not be caused by a bacon sandwich?
e.g.
This could never happen with a bacon sandwich. Just goes to show, even
pavements aren't safe for children these days from these highly
dangerous snacks. And yet this pavement carnage is still allowed to
continue while sandwiches are continuously criticised for merely being
greasy, especially by the cooks on this newsgroup.
It would seem they have their priorities a little wrong.
If the child had been killed by a snack then it would have been
appropriate for uk.cookery but cyclists are not usually killed by
snacks but instead are killed by dangerous drivers.

Do you have evidence to demonstrate that more cyclists due due to
collisions with cars than from results of, say, unhealthy eating?
Your excuse for posting OT doesn't stand up, I'm afraid.

Also, as the
question of riding on pavements often arises on this NG, and this
killing happened on a pavement, so it would seem to be entirely
appropriate here.

No again.

I know you find it difficult to accept that the car you use is highly
dangerous to cyclists

I would wager that Tony's car has never been a danger to cyclists. I
know mine hasn't.

but maybe you should consider this more often
instead of dismissing the whole thing as OT and not worthy of
consideration here.

To the best of my knowledge my car has never been a danger to cyclists,
but Doug would not want to admit such a thing as it does not fit in with
his usual raves.

--
Tony Dragon