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Old September 7th 13, 01:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Friday, 6 September 2013 12:42:30 UTC+1, brianrob1961 wrote:


I PERSONALLY break the Highway Code because in certain situations I am

afraid of the possible actions of motorists around me. My life comes

above ALL other considerations in my books.


The simplest, in response to a polisy enforcer's intimidation, "Can you explain your actions?", which covers most eventualities, is "I was, at that moment, in fear of bodily injury". This should be accepted as a lawful excuse, in court, to gubbermint legislation if one is found to be in breach of such.
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Old September 7th 13, 02:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Peter Keller" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 09:27:45 +0100, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:

because cycling is so unenjoyable,


Bicycling is VERY enjoyable/


So why not spend more time doing it rather than jumping lights, cutting
corners, etc to get it over with as quickly as possible?

It's very rare to read a cyclist posting about an enjoyable ride, usually
they're reeling off a whole list of things or people that annoyed them or
threatened their safety during their ride.

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Old September 7th 13, 02:36 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"thirty-six" wrote in message
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On Friday, 6 September 2013 12:42:30 UTC+1, brianrob1961 wrote:


I PERSONALLY break the Highway Code because in certain situations I am

afraid of the possible actions of motorists around me. My life comes

above ALL other considerations in my books.


The simplest, in response to a polisy enforcer's intimidation, "Can you
explain your actions?", which covers most eventualities, is "I was, at that
moment, in fear of bodily injury". This should be accepted as a lawful
excuse, in court, to gubbermint legislation if one is found to be in breach
of such.


But nobody has yet cited an (unexceptional) situation where it is
consistently "safer" to break a law than to obey it, nor successfully argued
that obeying the rules and laws is not safer than ignoring them under most
circumstances.

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Old September 7th 13, 03:07 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Scion" wrote in message ...

Rob Morley put finger to keyboard:

On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 21:23:57 +0100 brianrob1961
wrote:

We all know that motorists are obsessed with cyclists obeying the
highway code.

I contend that there are occasions when it is safer for me (and better
for motorists) for me to break the highway code. Do any other cyclists
agree on this one?

Large parts of the Highway Code are advisory rather than statements of
legal requirements, so you can't really "break" them. The basic laws
like not riding on footways where not permitted, against one-way traffic
or through red lights, having lights and reflectors at night, and
working brakes, are pretty important both for safety and not winding up
other road users who do stick to the rules. So basically no, I don't
agree with your law-breaking, and I think that in doing so you harm the
public perception of cyclists as responsible road users.


In some situations it is safer and more convenient for all concerned if
the highway code is broken.

An example - I sometimes cycle on a road with a bus lane (marked for buses
only, i.e. no cycles) and a normal traffic lane in each direction.
The time of day I cycle there has very few bus services, but significant
other traffic using the normal lane.

If I cycle in the normal traffic lane, there's not enough room for me to
be overtaken if there's anything coming the other way. In fact if I'm in
that lane as far left as possible, buses can't safely go past me on the
left in the bus lane either.

So I cycle in the bus lane.

'Normal' motor traffic is unimpeded.

Any buses that come along could pull out to overtake me, but I keep an eye
out for them anyway and hop onto the shared-use (cycle and pedestrian)
pavement if there's one coming.

Why don't I stick to the shared-use pavement you may ask? This particular
stretch of road has a couple of dozen turnings where I would have to give
way, which is a pain, and an unnecessary pain given my solution.

So by breaking the HC I am helping everyone out.

Bloody Hell! The psycholists are trying to portray themselves as some sort
of modern day Robin Hood!

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Old September 7th 13, 03:09 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"brianrob1961" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2013 09:45, Scion wrote:
Mentalguy2k8 put finger to keyboard:

"Scion" wrote in message
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Rob Morley put finger to keyboard:

On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 21:23:57 +0100 brianrob1961
wrote:

We all know that motorists are obsessed with cyclists obeying the
highway code.

I contend that there are occasions when it is safer for me (and
better for motorists) for me to break the highway code. Do any other
cyclists agree on this one?

Large parts of the Highway Code are advisory rather than statements of
legal requirements, so you can't really "break" them. The basic laws
like not riding on footways where not permitted, against one-way
traffic or through red lights, having lights and reflectors at night,
and working brakes, are pretty important both for safety and not
winding up other road users who do stick to the rules. So basically
no, I don't agree with your law-breaking, and I think that in doing so
you harm the public perception of cyclists as responsible road users.

In some situations it is safer and more convenient for all concerned if
the highway code is broken.

An example - I sometimes cycle on a road with a bus lane (marked for
buses only, i.e. no cycles) and a normal traffic lane in each
direction.
The time of day I cycle there has very few bus services, but
significant other traffic using the normal lane.

If I cycle in the normal traffic lane, there's not enough room for me
to be overtaken if there's anything coming the other way. In fact if
I'm in that lane as far left as possible, buses can't safely go past me
on the left in the bus lane either.

So I cycle in the bus lane.

'Normal' motor traffic is unimpeded.

Any buses that come along could pull out to overtake me, but I keep an
eye out for them anyway and hop onto the shared-use (cycle and
pedestrian) pavement if there's one coming.

Why don't I stick to the shared-use pavement you may ask? This
particular stretch of road has a couple of dozen turnings where I would
have to give way, which is a pain, and an unnecessary pain given my
solution.

So by breaking the HC I am helping everyone out.


No you're not, you're doing it to selfishly get somewhere quicker.


Of course there's a benefit to me doing it my way.

You'd
"help everyone out" by sticking to the route that's been provided for
you


What, the main part of the road? I've already explained that would
inconvenience normal motor traffic.

Or are you one of these people who wrongly think that cyclists shouldn't
use the road?

If I cycled on the path I would potentially inconvenience pedestrians who
are using it as well as inconveniencing myself.

but oh no, you might have to stop a couple of times and get there 30
seconds later.


Why do that if there's no need and no benefit?


Yes, make no mistake that the people who troll on here want nothing less
than the removal of all cyclists from the road.

At last, after all this time you've actually come up with a good idea.

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Old September 7th 13, 03:11 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"brianrob1961" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2013 10:43, Scion wrote:
brianrob1961 put finger to keyboard:

On 06/09/2013 10:06, Scion wrote:
brianrob1961 put finger to keyboard:

On 06/09/2013 09:45, Scion wrote:
Mentalguy2k8 put finger to keyboard:

"Scion" wrote in message
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Rob Morley put finger to keyboard:

On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 21:23:57 +0100 brianrob1961

wrote:

We all know that motorists are obsessed with cyclists obeying the
highway code.

I contend that there are occasions when it is safer for me (and
better for motorists) for me to break the highway code. Do any
other cyclists agree on this one?

Large parts of the Highway Code are advisory rather than
statements of legal requirements, so you can't really "break"
them. The basic laws like not riding on footways where not
permitted, against one-way traffic or through red lights, having
lights and reflectors at night, and working brakes, are pretty
important both for safety and not winding up other road users who
do stick to the rules. So basically no, I don't agree with your
law-breaking, and I think that in doing so you harm the public
perception of cyclists as responsible road users.

In some situations it is safer and more convenient for all
concerned if the highway code is broken.

An example - I sometimes cycle on a road with a bus lane (marked
for buses only, i.e. no cycles) and a normal traffic lane in each
direction.
The time of day I cycle there has very few bus services, but
significant other traffic using the normal lane.

If I cycle in the normal traffic lane, there's not enough room for
me to be overtaken if there's anything coming the other way. In
fact if I'm in that lane as far left as possible, buses can't
safely go past me on the left in the bus lane either.

So I cycle in the bus lane.

'Normal' motor traffic is unimpeded.

Any buses that come along could pull out to overtake me, but I keep
an eye out for them anyway and hop onto the shared-use (cycle and
pedestrian) pavement if there's one coming.

Why don't I stick to the shared-use pavement you may ask? This
particular stretch of road has a couple of dozen turnings where I
would have to give way, which is a pain, and an unnecessary pain
given my solution.

So by breaking the HC I am helping everyone out.

No you're not, you're doing it to selfishly get somewhere quicker.

Of course there's a benefit to me doing it my way.

You'd "help everyone out" by sticking to the route that's been
provided for you

What, the main part of the road? I've already explained that would
inconvenience normal motor traffic.

Or are you one of these people who wrongly think that cyclists
shouldn't use the road?

If I cycled on the path I would potentially inconvenience pedestrians
who are using it as well as inconveniencing myself.

but oh no, you might have to stop a couple of times and get there 30
seconds later.

Why do that if there's no need and no benefit?


Yes, make no mistake that the people who troll on here want nothing
less than the removal of all cyclists from the road.

Can't see you making many productive posts. In fact if I did as you
suggested previously and proposed a list of kill file candidates, your
ID would be near the top of the list.




In other words, you're part of the problem.


In other words, please do not judge me on a few days of hot headed
posts.

****ed again, were you?

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Old September 7th 13, 03:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"brianrob1961" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2013 20:53, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 15:38:03 +0100
brianrob1961 wrote:

On 06/09/2013 15:32, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 11:34:26 +0100
brianrob1961 wrote:

Now I will ask you as a favour. PLEASE killfile me.

Why not take some personal responsibility and killfile him? Or do
you just enjoy the opportunity to whinge about it, while making no
effort to fix it?


Rob, if you are interested in peace on the group then let's embrace
it while it is here. Now stfu.


There you go again, telling people what to do. You really don't strike
me as someone whose advice I'd take - it seems you can't even read a
newsgroup without getting wound up and posting unpleasant responses.


Rob, I am not telling you what to do! I am ASKING you to draw a line and
to move on from that point. Maybe I should have added 'please' after stfu.

How wonderful it is to see the psycholists squabbling among themselves,

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Old September 7th 13, 03:15 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"brianrob1961" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2013 18:02, Mr Pounder wrote:
"brianrob1961" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2013 17:27, Mr Pounder wrote:
"brianrob1961" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2013 16:13, Mr Pounder wrote:
"brianrob1961" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2013 16:01, Mr Pounder wrote:
"brianrob1961" wrote in message
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On 06/09/2013 15:27, Rob Morley wrote:
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 09:47:47 +0100
brianrob1961 wrote:

Yes, make no mistake that the people who troll on here want
nothing
less than the removal of all cyclists from the road.

********, they just want to wind up self-righteous blowhards.
You seem too often to mistake these words on a screen for real
life.


I agree that with some of them it is just a spiteful attempt to
stir
up
trouble, but I don't think that accounts for all of them. The
hatred
that
people express towards cyclists is out of all proportion.

"Trouble"?
You need to get a life.



Probably.

I can advise.


I doubt it. Are you a cyclist, btw?

Are you being insulting?



Sorry, no, you aren't a cyclist. I have just looked back through your
previous posts and you are just an ashole waiting for his first heart
attack.


Apology accepted.
I'm 61 and very fit, the heart attack is anybody's guess.



A well developed right arm does NOT qualify you as very fit.

Psycholists SOP. When losing an argument, always revert to insults.

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Old September 7th 13, 05:11 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Saturday, 7 September 2013 14:36:23 UTC+1, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
"thirty-six" wrote in message

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On Friday, 6 September 2013 12:42:30 UTC+1, brianrob1961 wrote:





I PERSONALLY break the Highway Code because in certain situations I am




afraid of the possible actions of motorists around me. My life comes




above ALL other considerations in my books.




The simplest, in response to a polisy enforcer's intimidation, "Can you


explain your actions?", which covers most eventualities, is "I was, at that


moment, in fear of bodily injury". This should be accepted as a lawful


excuse, in court, to gubbermint legislation if one is found to be in breach


of such.




But nobody has yet cited an (unexceptional) situation where it is

consistently "safer" to break a law than to obey it, nor successfully argued

that obeying the rules and laws is not safer than ignoring them under most

circumstances.


Cutting across the "solid-line" bound chevrons on the roadway of a high-speed road in order to see and escape fast passing motor-vehicles on both sides. I also do cross the lines in a car when it is safer. Vehicles approaching from behind when traffic is stationary in front is one such occurrence I will cross solid-marked chevrons, even though not an emergency (which is the only occurrence allowed by HC). Of course I may have forgotten and escaping being crushed may sensibly be allowed. Please correct my error.
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Old September 7th 13, 09:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 08:43:02 +0100, brianrob1961 wrote:

On 06/09/2013 22:36, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 21:31:14 +0100, brianrob1961
wrote:

On 06/09/2013 21:02, Gefreiter Krueger wrote:
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 11:25:58 +0100, Mentalguy2k8
wrote:


"brianrob1961" wrote in message
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I think what you mean is "it is sometimes quicker". Let's not pretend
this
is about safety. I can't think of any legitimate reason why jumping
any red
light at a crossing or junction would be safer than stopping at it,
from a
general road-safety point of view.

Safety isn't everything.


Yes it is. It is how we achieve it that matters.


Only big girl's blouses want to be safe. Grow a pair, you look pathetic.


lol Now play nicely. I use my bike mainly to commute to work. Taking
risks that might endanger my job would be a little silly.


Don't you care more about your body than your job?


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