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New KH Hub, defective??
Jerrick wrote: But Koxx doesnt suck, so stick with them. i am, i just thought id like to try moments, and if i get them for just shipping cost whats the harm? (cept my hub a little, but i think it'll be fine) -- Det-riot Ducttape wrote: sounds like he toook a feild trip to jail.... DON'T DROP THE SOAP DUDE!!! KOXX-ONE* DOES NOT* SUCK!!!! 'MRIS!!!!' (http://tinyurl.com/2486qk) '1000th Post' (http://tinyurl.com/33shzt) _*UNICYCLE_FOR_DONUTS!!!!*_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Det-riot's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/13823 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/63683 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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I can't really tell. The uni seems to ride fine. But I want to know anyway. If anyone figures out a good way to check for this with a built wheel, let us know ! I'll think about it a while. Maybe the easiest way will be to pull the cranks and then hold them together to see if the splines line up. Or maybe rotate one crank to line up with the other, and rest a straight edge on a table and stick it through the spokes..... Hopefully this a very rare problem. Yet production line items are usually made with a jig. Maybe there are thousands........ I feel bad for Kris if thats the case. Yet shouldn't only one crank need to be replaced ? I look forward to reading from Kris about this. Hopefully this is an isolated thing. If it were really wide spread, you would of thought it would have been noticed before. Yet, on a built uni, it is not so apparent then as a separate hub. -- feel the light ------------------------------------------------------------------------ feel the light's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/14551 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/63683 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Take one crank off, put it the same way as the other crank... take a picture... -- Borgschulze 'deviantART' (http://borgschulze.deviantart.com/)'Gravity' (http://videos.observedtrials.net/Gravity.wmv) is -not- the issue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Borgschulze's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/13501 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/63683 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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I just checked my set up and they are also defective. I got them so long ago aebikes will not let me return them =(. -- wickedbob R.I.P JOHNNY HART[/b] [b]R.I.P MITCH HEDBERG Ducttape wrote: not gonna show you it tonight becasue I am going to play with it until I go to bed to get it just right......... *Before you type that message telling what I did was wrong click 'this' (http://tinyurl.com/3dfrko) abd be worry free! So every body can shut!* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ wickedbob's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/14353 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/63683 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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I'll have a KH 24" with this crankset when it comes on Friday. It was originally built last winter with the earlier batches of this cycle. Hopefully it was built prior to this issue. Glad to see Kris handling this properly, professionally, quickly and honestly...really says a lot about the guy keep up the good work -- mouse ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mouse's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/14148 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/63683 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Are the hubs fine? If so I will lace mine up and get replacement cranks. -- Evan Byrne ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Evan Byrne's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/9367 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/63683 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Borgschulze wrote: Take one crank off, put it the same way as the other crank... take a picture... Without taking all the spokes off and laying the hub on a table (I think I am to busy), a picture won't discern more then my eyeballs can see now. I can't really tell, just looking at the uni. It looks straight or a little crooked depending how I squint. One of us must come up with a good way to check for this, without serious wrenching. I will take an ignorant guess, that a batch of cranks, lefts or rights, is off. I have a blind hunch that it is unlikely that this will be a very rare problem. There is hope that after setting up the production jig, some of the early "test parts" somehow made it out the door. As likely, I guesstimate, that hundreds of these things may have escaped. That a whole run was produced and shipped. -- feel the light ------------------------------------------------------------------------ feel the light's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/14551 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/63683 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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feel the light wrote: Without taking all the spokes off and laying the hub on a table (I think I am to busy), a picture won't discern more then my eyeballs can see now. I can't really tell, just looking at the uni. It looks straight or a little crooked depending how I squint. One of us must come up with a good way to check for this, without serious wrenching. I will take an ignorant guess, that a batch of cranks, lefts or rights, is off. I have a blind hunch that it is unlikely that this will be a very rare problem. There is hope that after setting up the production jig, some of the early "test parts" somehow made it out the door. As likely, I guesstimate, that hundreds of these things may have escaped. That a whole run was produced and shipped. It should be not so difficult to tell if the cranks are miss-aligned even in case of a built wheel! 1. Find two flat topped chairs of the same height 2. Remove the wheel-set from the frame 3. Remove on of the cranks and put it in line with the other 4. Place the chairs one next to the other on a flat surface leaving a gap between them...place the wheel on the cranks in between the chairs 5. Take a conclusion... I have all 3 KHs with Moment hubs. After seeing this thread I was curious to check mine. Right from the first attentive glances I found out the same problem on my KH20 and KH24 On my KH29 I have the double-hole cranks but not checked 'em yet. For me now only eye inspecting is enough to tell... I never noticed this issue until now...and can tell that it should not affect riding at all. However it's sad this problem survived to this extent! Lately, I'm not surprised such things happen... It's not the designer's fault but the manufacturer's...they have to grow up! Flaviu -- UAC "The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page" (Saint Augustine) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ UAC's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/12170 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/63683 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Looks like this post has started a whole wave of crank scrutiny, or a "KH crank-gate" of sorts. Maybe its time for Kris Holm or Darren Bedford or John at UDC to weigh in on this before we go nuts trying to measure the misalignment (tho I personally like the kitchen chair method!) What constitutes defective?? 1/8", 1/4" or 1/2" of offset? I objected to the defect based on principle and I found a way to measure it. How bout you guys riding on the defective cranks for 30 days, 6 months or a year?? Did you notice any difference before you got out the kitchen chairs? loss of efficiency, control or anything at all wrong? Uni riding engineers sound off? Is this a big deal or just the raving of several dozen demented guys on one wheel. Brycer1968 -- brycer1968 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ brycer1968's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/11311 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/63683 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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The way I observed the problem was to remove one crank and put it back on aligned with other crank, (like a kangaroo cycle). Then rotate the wheel to line a crank up with the frame fork. The other crank should then be in line with the fork as well. See if there is a difference. I have felt this wheel from day one (july) seemed harder to idle on, it took some practice for me to learn ride backwards again on. It's the same size wheel I replaced. I did go from from 160 cotterless to 165 splined, but had used 170 cranks in the pass, and found longer cranks easy to idle with. As an experiment this morning, I purposly offset one crank one spline from it's normal posistion and tried to ride the unicycle. It felt impossible to ride. Being one spline off is much much more than the alignment problem, but it does demonsrate sensitivity. -- Chrashing Regards, Ken ... I say it's a great exercise. They say it's a mid-life thing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chrashing's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/7501 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/63683 Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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