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Old September 16th 13, 11:36 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?
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Old September 17th 13, 12:49 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Catrap
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"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?

Don't bother. Chuck them all in the bin and just enjoy the delights of
motoring.

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Old September 17th 13, 07:45 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:49:23 +0100, "Catrap"
wrote:



"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
.. .

We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?

Don't bother. Chuck them all in the bin and just enjoy the delights of
motoring.


For our honeymoon, Clare and I had a motoring tour of Europe, starting
in a Chateau in Champagne, progressing to Trier, a town on the banks
of the River Mosel, then to the Black Forest and later Passau. After
leaving Germany we drove through Austria to Slovenia, spending the
night on the banks of Lake Bled, and finally into Croatia where we
spent a week. The return trip was just as adventurous, through Italy
and over the St Bernard Pass into Switzerland, then back through
Germany (to avoid the French tolls), into Belgium and back to the UK
via Calais. 3000 miles in total.

But it was not the motoring we recall from that trip. It is the cycle
rides around the sleepy vineyards of Champagne on our tandem; it is
the glasses of deliciously sweet chilled auslese wine served at the
wineries along the Mosel cycle path; it is our 48 hour excursion along
the Danube cycle route into Austria; it is our early morning
circumnavigation of Bled with the mist rising from the lake, so good
that we cycled around it twice; it is our shopping trips on the
Adriatic, passing all those Dutch caravans stuck in traffic; it is the
exploration of Lago Maggiorie; it is my solo attempt to cycle up the
St Bernard Pass, while Clare drove to the summit; it is our
exploration of the city of Frieburg following the cycle route along
the river.

The car was simply a means for tandeming in different places during a
limited period of time.
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Old September 17th 13, 08:15 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
brianrob1961
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On 17/09/2013 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:49:23 +0100, "Catrap"
wrote:



"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?

Don't bother. Chuck them all in the bin and just enjoy the delights of
motoring.


For our honeymoon, Clare and I had a motoring tour of Europe, starting
in a Chateau in Champagne, progressing to Trier, a town on the banks
of the River Mosel, then to the Black Forest and later Passau. After
leaving Germany we drove through Austria to Slovenia, spending the
night on the banks of Lake Bled, and finally into Croatia where we
spent a week. The return trip was just as adventurous, through Italy
and over the St Bernard Pass into Switzerland, then back through
Germany (to avoid the French tolls), into Belgium and back to the UK
via Calais. 3000 miles in total.

But it was not the motoring we recall from that trip. It is the cycle
rides around the sleepy vineyards of Champagne on our tandem; it is
the glasses of deliciously sweet chilled auslese wine served at the
wineries along the Mosel cycle path; it is our 48 hour excursion along
the Danube cycle route into Austria; it is our early morning
circumnavigation of Bled with the mist rising from the lake, so good
that we cycled around it twice; it is our shopping trips on the
Adriatic, passing all those Dutch caravans stuck in traffic; it is the
exploration of Lago Maggiorie; it is my solo attempt to cycle up the
St Bernard Pass, while Clare drove to the summit; it is our
exploration of the city of Frieburg following the cycle route along
the river.

The car was simply a means for tandeming in different places during a
limited period of time.


Bertie, sounds wonderful, but I can assure you that it will be lost on
Catcrap.
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Old September 17th 13, 08:58 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Catrap
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"brianrob1961" wrote in message
...

On 17/09/2013 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:49:23 +0100, "Catrap"
wrote:



"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?

Don't bother. Chuck them all in the bin and just enjoy the delights of
motoring.


For our honeymoon, Clare and I had a motoring tour of Europe, starting
in a Chateau in Champagne, progressing to Trier, a town on the banks
of the River Mosel, then to the Black Forest and later Passau. After
leaving Germany we drove through Austria to Slovenia, spending the
night on the banks of Lake Bled, and finally into Croatia where we
spent a week. The return trip was just as adventurous, through Italy
and over the St Bernard Pass into Switzerland, then back through
Germany (to avoid the French tolls), into Belgium and back to the UK
via Calais. 3000 miles in total.

But it was not the motoring we recall from that trip. It is the cycle
rides around the sleepy vineyards of Champagne on our tandem; it is
the glasses of deliciously sweet chilled auslese wine served at the
wineries along the Mosel cycle path; it is our 48 hour excursion along
the Danube cycle route into Austria; it is our early morning
circumnavigation of Bled with the mist rising from the lake, so good
that we cycled around it twice; it is our shopping trips on the
Adriatic, passing all those Dutch caravans stuck in traffic; it is the
exploration of Lago Maggiorie; it is my solo attempt to cycle up the
St Bernard Pass, while Clare drove to the summit; it is our
exploration of the city of Frieburg following the cycle route along
the river.

The car was simply a means for tandeming in different places during a
limited period of time.


Bertie, sounds wonderful, but I can assure you that it will be lost on
Catcrap.

How predictable. Briannob1861 demonstrating his hilarious infant school
humour.

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Old September 17th 13, 09:12 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Keller[_3_]
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:58:17 +0100, Catrap wrote:

"brianrob1961" wrote in message
...

On 17/09/2013 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:49:23 +0100, "Catrap"
wrote:



"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?

Don't bother. Chuck them all in the bin and just enjoy the delights of
motoring.


For our honeymoon, Clare and I had a motoring tour of Europe, starting
in a Chateau in Champagne, progressing to Trier, a town on the banks of
the River Mosel, then to the Black Forest and later Passau. After
leaving Germany we drove through Austria to Slovenia, spending the
night on the banks of Lake Bled, and finally into Croatia where we
spent a week. The return trip was just as adventurous, through Italy
and over the St Bernard Pass into Switzerland, then back through
Germany (to avoid the French tolls), into Belgium and back to the UK
via Calais. 3000 miles in total.

But it was not the motoring we recall from that trip. It is the cycle
rides around the sleepy vineyards of Champagne on our tandem; it is the
glasses of deliciously sweet chilled auslese wine served at the
wineries along the Mosel cycle path; it is our 48 hour excursion along
the Danube cycle route into Austria; it is our early morning
circumnavigation of Bled with the mist rising from the lake, so good
that we cycled around it twice; it is our shopping trips on the
Adriatic, passing all those Dutch caravans stuck in traffic; it is the
exploration of Lago Maggiorie; it is my solo attempt to cycle up the St
Bernard Pass, while Clare drove to the summit; it is our exploration of
the city of Frieburg following the cycle route along the river.

The car was simply a means for tandeming in different places during a
limited period of time.


Bertie, sounds wonderful, but I can assure you that it will be lost on
Catcrap.

How predictable. Briannob1861 demonstrating his hilarious infant school
humour.


Oh dear. So you are annoyed that someone actually had great fun and
pleasure while using a bicycle to get to wonderful places?
I suggest you do not try to make other people miserable just because you
are miserable.
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Old September 17th 13, 10:06 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mentalguy2k8[_2_]
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"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...
We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?


I'd use the roof, it's out of the way and won't obscure your rear view.
Don't know if it adds enough (anything?) to your fuel consumption to worry
about but at least when you go on a long trip and need to pull over to get
something quickly out of the boot, you don't have to bugger around taking a
bike off before you can open the tailgate. Plus it doesn't add anything to
your length, so you can reverse into parking spaces etc. (You, not your
wife, it's a new car). I've never used one but I imagine it's also easier
and quicker to attach and detach a roof-carrier than a rear one, and they
look kinder to the paintwork too. Maybe it depends how often you're going to
be carrying your bike.

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Old September 17th 13, 11:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Catrap
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"Peter Keller" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:58:17 +0100, Catrap wrote:

"brianrob1961" wrote in message
...

On 17/09/2013 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:49:23 +0100, "Catrap"
wrote:



"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?

Don't bother. Chuck them all in the bin and just enjoy the delights of
motoring.


For our honeymoon, Clare and I had a motoring tour of Europe, starting
in a Chateau in Champagne, progressing to Trier, a town on the banks of
the River Mosel, then to the Black Forest and later Passau. After
leaving Germany we drove through Austria to Slovenia, spending the
night on the banks of Lake Bled, and finally into Croatia where we
spent a week. The return trip was just as adventurous, through Italy
and over the St Bernard Pass into Switzerland, then back through
Germany (to avoid the French tolls), into Belgium and back to the UK
via Calais. 3000 miles in total.

But it was not the motoring we recall from that trip. It is the cycle
rides around the sleepy vineyards of Champagne on our tandem; it is the
glasses of deliciously sweet chilled auslese wine served at the
wineries along the Mosel cycle path; it is our 48 hour excursion along
the Danube cycle route into Austria; it is our early morning
circumnavigation of Bled with the mist rising from the lake, so good
that we cycled around it twice; it is our shopping trips on the
Adriatic, passing all those Dutch caravans stuck in traffic; it is the
exploration of Lago Maggiorie; it is my solo attempt to cycle up the St
Bernard Pass, while Clare drove to the summit; it is our exploration of
the city of Frieburg following the cycle route along the river.

The car was simply a means for tandeming in different places during a
limited period of time.


Bertie, sounds wonderful, but I can assure you that it will be lost on
Catcrap.

How predictable. Briannob1861 demonstrating his hilarious infant school
humour.


Oh dear. So you are annoyed that someone actually had great fun and
pleasure while using a bicycle to get to wonderful places?
I suggest you do not try to make other people miserable just because you
are miserable.

No, not annoyed. Not even the slightest bit bothered. How could anyone be
cross with such simple minded people?

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Old September 17th 13, 12:51 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:06:50 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8"
wrote:


"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
.. .
We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg
Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.

The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning
broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock
broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed
passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was
broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have
managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our
forthcoming trip to France.

Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two
weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.

I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end
bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better
for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or
towbar carriers?


I'd use the roof, it's out of the way and won't obscure your rear view.
Don't know if it adds enough (anything?) to your fuel consumption to worry
about but at least when you go on a long trip and need to pull over to get
something quickly out of the boot, you don't have to bugger around taking a
bike off before you can open the tailgate. Plus it doesn't add anything to
your length, so you can reverse into parking spaces etc. (You, not your
wife, it's a new car). I've never used one but I imagine it's also easier
and quicker to attach and detach a roof-carrier than a rear one, and they
look kinder to the paintwork too. Maybe it depends how often you're going to
be carrying your bike.


Getting the tandem onto the roof is seriously tricky (without damaging
the paintwork) when I do it on my own. Solo bikes would be much
easier, but I still reckon a tow bar mount will be easier, with little
or no risk to the paint.

One advantage of a tow bar carrier is that other drivers are less
likely to drive close behind me.

Here's a blog on the subject:
http://blog.twenga.co.uk/bike-carriers-transport/
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Old September 17th 13, 12:52 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
thirty-six
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On Monday, 16 September 2013 23:36:49 UTC+1, Bertie Wooster wrote:
We have just made my selection for a replacement car for our V reg

Peugeot 406, which I bought second hand just under 10 years ago.



The 406 is beginning to fall to pieces - with the air conditioning

broken, the 12v power socket broken, the remote control door lock

broken and locking and unlocking the car can only be performed

passenger side; and to top it all the nearside wing mirror glass was

broken through a misjudged reversing manoeuvre by my wife, but I have

managed to gaffer tape a replacement glass into place for our

forthcoming trip to France.



Our new car will be a 13 month old Peugeot 5008 MPV, delivery in two

weeks, after we return from the Loire Valley in our dilapidated 406.



I have a roof mounted tandem carrier which is fine, and a rear end

bicycle rack which I won't want to use on the new car. What is better

for transporting bicycles (other than tandems), roof carriers or

towbar carriers?


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