Wednesday before Thanksgiving.

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 13:16:59 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 11/30/2020 12:45 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:33:41 a.m. UTC-5, Radey Shouman wrote:
News 2020 writes:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:38:13 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The wine
bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the empties
themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the glass is
being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the morning after the
garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to put something else in
before the truck arrives, all of the wine bottles are gone.

Wow, has Kaytel relaunched their bottle cutter?
The TV add had a piece where you cut the bottom off wine and other glass
bottles to make drinking glass.
Probably someone just needed some Molotov cocktails.
Probably something on faecesbook or the ****sphere or similar. SWMBO'd
caught someone going through the neighbour's recycling bin recently for
glass bottles.
"Caught"? I figure if someone put something in the recycling bin it's
free to take. I certainly don't mind if someone takes something from
mine, he's almost surely putting it to a higher use than the town will.

Around here beer and wine bottles are refundable for a deposit. Many low income people scrounge those bottles and then return to the beer or liquor store for the deposits. This can be quite lucrative for that low income person.

However, once an item is in the recycling container at curbside those items are considered to belong to the recycler. There was a case in Toronto, Canada many years ago where a fellow who picked up old newspapers long before they became "officially" recyclable, was arrested for theft for taking bundles of newspapers from the recycling boxes on the curb in front of private dwellings.

Many years ago, out on a ride, I met an apparently middle class guy
whose bike baskets were full of aluminum cans. He said he'd recently
retired and decided it made sense to make a little money while cleaning
up the roadsides.

Then about two years ago I ran into another retired professor from the
university. I don't know how we got on the topic, but he said his father
does that in California. Supposedly, his motivation was more about
"sticking it to the man." He loved the idea that income from recycling
was not taxed. (I haven't verified what I was told, BTW.)

Whatever. Returning to Tom's post, I think people taking things out of
recycling bins is down at the bottom of the list of "problems."

Over here you can buy a can crusher see
https://tinyurl.com/y5wse6w3
which makes for much tidier storage :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

Radey Shouman wrote:
News 2020 writes:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:38:13 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The wine
bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the empties
themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the glass is
being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the morning after the
garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to put something else in
before the truck arrives, all of the wine bottles are gone.

Wow, has Kaytel relaunched their bottle cutter?
The TV add had a piece where you cut the bottom off wine and other glass
bottles to make drinking glass.

Probably someone just needed some Molotov cocktails.

Probably something on faecesbook or the ****sphere or similar. SWMBO'd
caught someone going through the neighbour's recycling bin recently for
glass bottles.

"Caught"? I figure if someone put something in the recycling bin it's
free to take. I certainly don't mind if someone takes something from
mine, he's almost surely putting it to a higher use than the town will.



If my bin is on the curb and somebody gets to it before the city collection
crew and they don’t make a mess, that’s fine.

However if my bin is on my property and somebody chooses to go rifling
through it, then I reserve the right to get offended.

Sir Ridesalot writes:

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:33:41 a.m. UTC-5, Radey Shouman wrote:
News 2020 writes:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:38:13 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The wine
bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the empties
themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the glass is
being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the morning after the
garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to put something else in
before the truck arrives, all of the wine bottles are gone.

Wow, has Kaytel relaunched their bottle cutter?
The TV add had a piece where you cut the bottom off wine and other glass
bottles to make drinking glass.
Probably someone just needed some Molotov cocktails.
Probably something on faecesbook or the ****sphere or similar. SWMBO'd
caught someone going through the neighbour's recycling bin recently for
glass bottles.
"Caught"? I figure if someone put something in the recycling bin it's
free to take. I certainly don't mind if someone takes something from
mine, he's almost surely putting it to a higher use than the town will.

Around here beer and wine bottles are refundable for a deposit. Many
low income people scrounge those bottles and then return to the beer
or liquor store for the deposits. This can be quite lucrative for that
low income person.

Same here, more or less. Generally speaking carbonated stuff has a
deposit, and noncarbonated does not, due to some smoke-filled room
negotiations somewhere. It is a source of income for those with more
time and energy than money, and tends to keep the streets cleaner.

However, once an item is in the recycling container at curbside those
items are considered to belong to the recycler. There was a case in
Toronto, Canada many years ago where a fellow who picked up old
newspapers long before they became "officially" recyclable, was
arrested for theft for taking bundles of newspapers from the recycling
boxes on the curb in front of private dwellings.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that to be the law here as well,
but I'm not going out of my way to help enforce it.

Back in the day there were people that actually made money recycling
newsprint. Publicly funded recycling flooded the market, drove the
price close to zero, and completely killed the business. Nowadays I
suspect most of the collected paper is either incinerated or landfilled,
after giving someone a warm fuzzy for "recycling". Progress.

Ralph Barone writes:

Radey Shouman wrote:
News 2020 writes:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:38:13 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The wine
bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the empties
themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the glass is
being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the morning after the
garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to put something else in
before the truck arrives, all of the wine bottles are gone.

Wow, has Kaytel relaunched their bottle cutter?
The TV add had a piece where you cut the bottom off wine and other glass
bottles to make drinking glass.

Probably someone just needed some Molotov cocktails.

Probably something on faecesbook or the ****sphere or similar. SWMBO'd
caught someone going through the neighbour's recycling bin recently for
glass bottles.

"Caught"? I figure if someone put something in the recycling bin it's
free to take. I certainly don't mind if someone takes something from
mine, he's almost surely putting it to a higher use than the town will.



If my bin is on the curb and somebody gets to it before the city collection
crew and they don’t make a mess, that’s fine.

However if my bin is on my property and somebody chooses to go rifling
through it, then I reserve the right to get offended.

Right. I had imagined the bin was on the curb, and not sitting in the
courtyard.

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 20:42:47 -0500, Radey Shouman wrote:

Ralph Barone writes:

Radey Shouman wrote:
News 2020 writes:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:38:13 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The
wine bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the
empties themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the
glass is being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the
morning after the garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to
put something else in before the truck arrives, all of the wine
bottles are gone.

Wow, has Kaytel relaunched their bottle cutter?
The TV add had a piece where you cut the bottom off wine and other
glass bottles to make drinking glass.

Probably someone just needed some Molotov cocktails.

Probably something on faecesbook or the ****sphere or similar.
SWMBO'd caught someone going through the neighbour's recycling bin
recently for glass bottles.

"Caught"? I figure if someone put something in the recycling bin it's
free to take. I certainly don't mind if someone takes something from
mine, he's almost surely putting it to a higher use than the town
will.



If my bin is on the curb and somebody gets to it before the city
collection crew and they don’t make a mess, that’s fine.

However if my bin is on my property and somebody chooses to go rifling
through it, then I reserve the right to get offended.

Right. I had imagined the bin was on the curb, and not sitting in the
courtyard.

The one I mentioned was out of the kerb awaiting the collection truck.
The only problem here is the occasional scounger making a mess by just
pulling stuff out and dropping it on the ground. Thankfully we do not
(yet) have the menace of white cockatoos raiding the wheely bins.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/...n-bins-animal-
culture-off-track/11439076

The bigger problem is people adding extra rubbish and not putting it in
the the correct bin(general, recycle, green waste) The LGA can get very
nasty abut that and it can be costly.

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:33:00 PM UTC-8, Radey Shouman wrote:

I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that to be the law here as well,
but I'm not going out of my way to help enforce it.

Back in the day there were people that actually made money recycling
newsprint. Publicly funded recycling flooded the market, drove the
price close to zero, and completely killed the business. Nowadays I
suspect most of the collected paper is either incinerated or landfilled,
after giving someone a warm fuzzy for "recycling". Progress.

I well remember that recycling of newspapers. The small "Sale" rags would use that recycled paper which was grey because the ink used in the new paper newspapers was permanent and there was no way of getting it out of the recycling. Do you suppose that Lou is going to take offense a me saying that and call it an insult?

On 11/30/2020 8:04 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 09:45:04 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:33:41 a.m. UTC-5, Radey Shouman wrote:
News 2020 writes:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:38:13 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The wine
bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the empties
themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the glass is
being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the morning after the
garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to put something else in
before the truck arrives, all of the wine bottles are gone.

Wow, has Kaytel relaunched their bottle cutter?
The TV add had a piece where you cut the bottom off wine and other glass
bottles to make drinking glass.
Probably someone just needed some Molotov cocktails.
Probably something on faecesbook or the ****sphere or similar. SWMBO'd
caught someone going through the neighbour's recycling bin recently for
glass bottles.
"Caught"? I figure if someone put something in the recycling bin it's
free to take. I certainly don't mind if someone takes something from
mine, he's almost surely putting it to a higher use than the town will.

Around here beer and wine bottles are refundable for a deposit. Many low income people scrounge those bottles and then return to the beer or liquor store for the deposits. This can be quite lucrative for that low income person.


Way back when, I used to take my little red wagon and tour the
neighborhood collecting bottles. One day I hit a real gold mine at one
house, a while trash can full of beer bottles. Loaded up my little
cart and hauled it down to the local shop where we traded and got a
fortune... maybe 50 whole cents.

Anyway, the next day one of the neighbor ladies says to my mother,
"Oh! I see you had quite a party at your house" and my mother, who was
a non drinker, tells the neighbor lady that, "No, we didn't have a
party", and the neighbor lady tells my mother about seeing me hauling
bottles to the store. My mother, being a member of the church and all,
asks me about this and I tell her about the gold mine I discovered.

Needless to say, that was the end of my "recycling" activities :-)

Interesting that your mother thought you would be somehow tainted by
hauling in those bottles.

Vaguely similar: Our grocery store employs some young folk as checkout
clerks - kids that are below the drinking age.

Apparently it's also illegal for those kids to "sell" beer or wine. That
means if we put a six pack of beer in with our groceries on the checkout
conveyor, the checkout kid has to stop every thing and call for someone
older. The kid stands aside, the older person signs in, picks up the six
pack and waves it across the laser scanner, then returns the rest of the
operation to the kid.

If the beer or wine goes into a bag, the kid can touch it to make that
happen. He just can't touch it as it passes over the scanner.

Some people sometimes mock certain practices of Orthodox Jews, Amish,
Muslims etc. But our laws are often no more scientific.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 11/30/2020 8:32 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:


Back in the day there were people that actually made money recycling
newsprint. Publicly funded recycling flooded the market, drove the
price close to zero, and completely killed the business. Nowadays I
suspect most of the collected paper is either incinerated or landfilled,
after giving someone a warm fuzzy for "recycling". Progress.

Actually, I got into a long conversation with the woman in charge of our
county's recycling. She said there is now a good market for newspaper
and even pasteboard. I forget the details, but IIRC one use had
something to do with farm animals.

I was told glass is nearly worthless now, which surprised me. And they
take only #1 and #2 plastics, and only in the shape of bottles. I really
doubt anyone recycles plastic grocery bags, even though our grocery
store pretends to.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 11/30/2020 8:11 PM, John B. wrote:

Over here you can buy a can crusher see
https://tinyurl.com/y5wse6w3
which makes for much tidier storage :-)

I like mechanical linkages, so I find those can crushers appealing. But
I don't own one. Instead, I use two can crushers of this design:
https://cdni.llbean.net/is/image/wim... d/A0211793_2&


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/30/2020 8:04 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 09:45:04 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:33:41 a.m. UTC-5, Radey Shouman wrote:
News 2020 writes:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:38:13 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The wine
bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the empties
themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the glass is
being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the morning after the
garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to put something else in
before the truck arrives, all of the wine bottles are gone.

Wow, has Kaytel relaunched their bottle cutter?
The TV add had a piece where you cut the bottom off wine and other glass
bottles to make drinking glass.
Probably someone just needed some Molotov cocktails.
Probably something on faecesbook or the ****sphere or similar. SWMBO'd
caught someone going through the neighbour's recycling bin recently for
glass bottles.
"Caught"? I figure if someone put something in the recycling bin it's
free to take. I certainly don't mind if someone takes something from
mine, he's almost surely putting it to a higher use than the town will.

Around here beer and wine bottles are refundable for a deposit. Many low income people scrounge those bottles and then return to the beer or liquor store for the deposits. This can be quite lucrative for that low income person.


Way back when, I used to take my little red wagon and tour the
neighborhood collecting bottles. One day I hit a real gold mine at one
house, a while trash can full of beer bottles. Loaded up my little
cart and hauled it down to the local shop where we traded and got a
fortune... maybe 50 whole cents.

Anyway, the next day one of the neighbor ladies says to my mother,
"Oh! I see you had quite a party at your house" and my mother, who was
a non drinker, tells the neighbor lady that, "No, we didn't have a
party", and the neighbor lady tells my mother about seeing me hauling
bottles to the store. My mother, being a member of the church and all,
asks me about this and I tell her about the gold mine I discovered.

Needless to say, that was the end of my "recycling" activities :-)
Interesting that your mother thought you would be somehow tainted by
hauling in those bottles.

Vaguely similar: Our grocery store employs some young folk as checkout
clerks - kids that are below the drinking age.

Apparently it's also illegal for those kids to "sell" beer or wine. That
means if we put a six pack of beer in with our groceries on the checkout
conveyor, the checkout kid has to stop every thing and call for someone
older. The kid stands aside, the older person signs in, picks up the six
pack and waves it across the laser scanner, then returns the rest of the
operation to the kid.

If the beer or wine goes into a bag, the kid can touch it to make that
happen. He just can't touch it as it passes over the scanner.

Some people sometimes mock certain practices of Orthodox Jews, Amish,
Muslims etc. But our laws are often no more scientific.

Should have gone to Utah before 2017. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ht-liquor-laws Bottles are still metered by the state. https://www.vice.com/en/article/paw457/utah-cocktails No more than 5% ABV beer on tap, which pretty much means no decent IPAs, and that's up 1% from two years ago. https://tinyurl.com/y4a4zkdj You can go to a brewpub and get a 5% beer, but it will be in a bottle. ID checks are mandatory -- even old codgers have to produce ID. State-run liquor stores (same as Oregon), but you have to a liquor store for wine. Plan in advance if you want to get drunk in your hotel room -- liquor stores are few and far between. Here's a tip: pick up a bottle in the concourse. https://onemileatatime.com/house-spi...ry-pdx-review/ Marching down the concourse at PDX, you can get all the beer, wine and booze you can ever want, and because of the Port's tariffs, it's all at street price. Vendors cannot charge more than they do off-property.

-- Jay Beattie.