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  #11  
Old August 11th 20, 11:49 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Pamela
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On 11:21 11 Aug 2020, JNugent said:
On 11/08/2020 01:38, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 10 August 2020 23:58:19 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 10/08/2020 19:01, Mike Collins wrote:
On Monday, 10 August 2020 18:46:10 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 10/08/2020 18:30, Mike Collins wrote:
We have heard a lot about Road Tax on this group and how cyclists
don't pay it even though Winston Churchill abolished the Road Fund
Licence in 1936

Has anyone ever actually said that cyclists don't pay Road Tax
(which has other names though that is the one in common use)?

After all, some cyclists might pay Road Tax in respect of motor
vehicles. But they don't pay it in respect of bikes, do they?

I propose we introduce a Road Fund based on the fourth power of
axle loading as that is the internationally accepted metric for
road damage,

This means if a typical 10kg pedal cycle commands £1 per year a
typical 1000kg car will command £10million per year.

Bring it up with your MP (when you're old enough to vote).

Hook, line, sinker, rod and copy of Angling Times.

Your parents shouldn't have let you get so close to the river's edge.
Especially at your tender age.


That makes no sense. Can you explain?


You aren't mature enough to be allowed out close to water.


It was so obvious it went over Mike Collins' head which is more used to
labyrinthine logic.
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  #12  
Old August 11th 20, 11:56 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Pamela
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On 19:34 10 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

On 10/08/2020 19:08, Simon Mason wrote:
On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 6:30:34 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
We have heard a lot about Road Tax on this group and how cyclists
don't pay it even though Winston Churchill abolished the Road Fund
Licence in 1936

I propose we introduce a Road Fund based on the fourth power of
axle loading as that is the internationally accepted metric for
road damage,

This means if a typical 10kg pedal cycle commands £1 per year a
typical 1000kg car will command £10million per year.

I have no problem with this but I suspect motorists will.


What about zero CO2 emitters like electric cars?


All roads not maintained by the Highways Agency (which cyclists don't
use) are maintained by council tax.


Non-highways are maintained by the local council but almost all the funding
for this comes from central government.

Cyclists thus have to contribute to
repairing the potholes they don't make.


  #13  
Old August 12th 20, 09:23 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 11/08/2020 11:56, Pamela wrote:
On 19:34 10 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:


All roads not maintained by the Highways Agency (which cyclists
don't use) are maintained by council tax.


Non-highways are maintained by the local council but almost all the
funding for this comes from central government.


What are "Non-highways"?
  #14  
Old August 12th 20, 09:34 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_12_]
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On 12/08/2020 09:23, TMS320 wrote:

On 11/08/2020 11:56, Pamela wrote:
On 19:34Â* 10 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:


All roads not maintained by the Highways Agency (which cyclists
don't use) are maintained by council tax.


Non-highways are maintained by the local council but almost all the
funding for this comes from central government.


What are "Non-highways"?


Not Pamela's best ever phrasing, but it was clear that the term meant
roads not within the bailiwick of the Highways Agency (or Highways
England, or whatever else it is now called). In other words, roads where
maintenance is left entirely up to the whims and discretion of the local
authority.
  #15  
Old August 12th 20, 06:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Pamela
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On 09:23 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

On 11/08/2020 11:56, Pamela wrote:
On 19:34 10 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:


All roads not maintained by the Highways Agency (which cyclists
don't use) are maintained by council tax.


Non-highways are maintained by the local council but almost all the
funding for this comes from central government.


What are "Non-highways"?


Perhaps my phrasing was too concise for you, although Nugent inferred my
meaning readily enough.
  #16  
Old August 13th 20, 10:27 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 12/08/2020 18:48, Pamela wrote:
On 09:23 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:56, Pamela wrote:
On 19:34 10 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:


All roads not maintained by the Highways Agency (which
cyclists don't use) are maintained by council tax.


Non-highways are maintained by the local council but almost all
the funding for this comes from central government.


What are "Non-highways"?


Perhaps my phrasing was too concise for you,


Sloppy. All you had to do was copy and paste.

although Nugent inferred my meaning readily enough.


I have been taking lessons in pedantry from Nugent.
  #17  
Old August 16th 20, 10:05 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Pamela
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On 10:27 13 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

On 12/08/2020 18:48, Pamela wrote:
On 09:23 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:56, Pamela wrote:
On 19:34 10 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

All roads not maintained by the Highways Agency (which
cyclists don't use) are maintained by council tax.

Non-highways are maintained by the local council but almost all
the funding for this comes from central government.

What are "Non-highways"?


Perhaps my phrasing was too concise for you,


Sloppy. All you had to do was copy and paste.

although Nugent inferred my meaning readily enough.


I have been taking lessons in pedantry from Nugent.


Are you honestly saying you couldn't work out what I was referring to, as
tersely as possible, when I wrote "non-Highways"?

The gov.uk report I referred to used long and windy terms which I wanted to
avoid.
  #18  
Old August 17th 20, 08:43 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 16/08/2020 10:05, Pamela wrote:
On 10:27 13 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 12/08/2020 18:48, Pamela wrote:
On 09:23 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:56, Pamela wrote:
On 19:34 10 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

All roads not maintained by the Highways Agency (which
cyclists don't use) are maintained by council tax.

Non-highways are maintained by the local council but almost all
the funding for this comes from central government.

What are "Non-highways"?

Perhaps my phrasing was too concise for you,


Sloppy. All you had to do was copy and paste.

although Nugent inferred my meaning readily enough.


I have been taking lessons in pedantry from Nugent.


Are you honestly saying you couldn't work out what I was referring to, as
tersely as possible, when I wrote "non-Highways"?


You couldn't work out that it was meant as an insult.
  #19  
Old August 17th 20, 03:26 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Pamela
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On 08:43 17 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

On 16/08/2020 10:05, Pamela wrote:
On 10:27 13 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 12/08/2020 18:48, Pamela wrote:
On 09:23 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:56, Pamela wrote:
On 19:34 10 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

All roads not maintained by the Highways Agency (which
cyclists don't use) are maintained by council tax.

Non-highways are maintained by the local council but almost all
the funding for this comes from central government.

What are "Non-highways"?

Perhaps my phrasing was too concise for you,

Sloppy. All you had to do was copy and paste.

although Nugent inferred my meaning readily enough.

I have been taking lessons in pedantry from Nugent.


Are you honestly saying you couldn't work out what I was referring to, as
tersely as possible, when I wrote "non-Highways"?


You couldn't work out that it was meant as an insult.


That isn't what I asked.
  #20  
Old August 17th 20, 09:58 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 17/08/2020 15:26, Pamela wrote:
On 08:43 17 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 16/08/2020 10:05, Pamela wrote:
On 10:27 13 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 12/08/2020 18:48, Pamela wrote:
On 09:23 12 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:
On 11/08/2020 11:56, Pamela wrote:
On 19:34 10 Aug 2020, TMS320 said:

All roads not maintained by the Highways Agency (which
cyclists don't use) are maintained by council tax.

Non-highways are maintained by the local council but almost all
the funding for this comes from central government.

What are "Non-highways"?

Perhaps my phrasing was too concise for you,

Sloppy. All you had to do was copy and paste.

although Nugent inferred my meaning readily enough.

I have been taking lessons in pedantry from Nugent.

Are you honestly saying you couldn't work out what I was referring to, as
tersely as possible, when I wrote "non-Highways"?


You couldn't work out that it was meant as an insult.


That isn't what I asked.


But it is my answer.
 




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